Hagler-Finnegan I and II

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 21 Mar 2007, 07:51

I have heard that Hagler found these fights tough going.

Where these fights filmed and what are board members recollections of them?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 22 Mar 2007, 11:33

Niether was filmed as far as I know, (never seen them going around amongst fight sellers

) ...having read the reports of them they were both closely fought fights with Hagler dishing out the harder more accurate shots and Kevin getting cut up in both... Kevins main failling point was a lack of ko power and was obviously a mayjor handicap against someone like Hagler..... but he certainly gave Marvin a fight in both bouts and was only stopped because of the cuts...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 22 Mar 2007, 11:52

I guess someone would have said if they had copies. Shame they're not available. If you do ever get hold of copies then please let me know.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Mar 2007, 11:54

Me too - would love to see those fights!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:29

Didn't that guy in the back of BM have them? The cockney guy that still sells vhs only. You used to be able to buy a full list off him for £1 & I think he had Hagler-Finnegan. I doubt the quality would be any good and they would probably have been manky NTSC to pal jobs.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:30

mad gear gang wrote:Didn't that guy in the back of BM have them? The cockney guy that still sells vhs only. You used to be able to buy a full list off him for £1 & I think he had Hagler-Finnegan. I doubt the quality would be any good and they would probably have been manky NTSC to pal jobs.

What is with the various alterations to your username VM??

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:38

TerribleTerry wrote:
mad gear gang wrote:Didn't that guy in the back of BM have them? The cockney guy that still sells vhs only. You used to be able to buy a full list off him for £1 & I think he had Hagler-Finnegan. I doubt the quality would be any good and they would probably have been manky NTSC to pal jobs.
What is with the various alterations to your username VM??

I just changed it because my old one was made up without too much thought.

I remember now, the guy is S Attenborrow, who MAY have it.

Surely the local TV picked it up, was it in Philadelphia? There will be archive footage of it somewhere.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:38

mad gear gang wrote:Didn't that guy in the back of BM have them? The cockney guy that still sells vhs only. You used to be able to buy a full list off him for £1 & I think he had Hagler-Finnegan. I doubt the quality would be any good and they would probably have been manky NTSC to pal jobs.

Anyone else know of this?

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:53

mad gear gang wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
mad gear gang wrote:Didn't that guy in the back of BM have them? The cockney guy that still sells vhs only. You used to be able to buy a full list off him for £1 & I think he had Hagler-Finnegan. I doubt the quality would be any good and they would probably have been manky NTSC to pal jobs.
What is with the various alterations to your username VM??
I just changed it because my old one was made up without too much thought.

I remember now, the guy is S Attenborrow, who MAY have it.

Surely the local TV picked it up, was it in Philadelphia? There will be archive footage of it somewhere.

I bought a few tapes off Stuart back in the day - Ringpost Videos I think his company was called??

They did the trick at the time when I was a youngster desperate to see American fight bills/classic fights but looking back the picture quality was variable pre DVD!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 22 Mar 2007, 12:57

He did me a tape years ago, one fight was put on twice and another fight had the last round cut down to the last 10 seconds!... suffice to say I didnt go back... I still have one of his catalogues though, dont think he had these fights as they are bouts I've been looking for for the past 20 years... but I'll keep my eyes open, might be worth asking around on the cyberzone forum for them... :x :x :x

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 22 Mar 2007, 13:58

Yes Stuart used to run Ringpost video, I used to trade with him years back - he had a Pal-NTSC conversion machine in his house.

Don't think he ever had the Finnegan fights, I've NEVER seen them on any list over the years. Not televised you'd think..

Seems there's only 8-10 bouts available of Hagler, pre title win. Unless some have surfaced recently.

I've never seen any of those early Philly losses he had for instance.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 22 Mar 2007, 14:48

I think there are 26 Hagler fights out there that I know of.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Mar 2007, 19:52

Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 23 Mar 2007, 05:00

stujones wrote:Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.

I would put his brother higher I think.

He was living with Bob Foster until getting cracked late with that awesome left hook..

Deserter · Post by **Deserter** » 23 Mar 2007, 05:30

I think it's in Harry Mullan's book that there's an anecdote regarding Hagler and Finnegan... apparently Hagler stood up in a room and singled out Finnegan as the toughest fighter he'd faced. Can't remember when and where that took place though... anyone else recall it?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Mar 2007, 05:54

TerribleTerry wrote:
stujones wrote:Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.
I would put his brother higher I think.

He was living with Bob Foster until getting cracked late with that awesome left hook..

I didn't say most deserving of the a world title, but most deserving of a world title fight. Finnighan vs Foster was for the title.

s9s · Post by **s9s** » 23 Mar 2007, 07:41

A guy I worked with, who is not into boxing, was talking about 2 brothers ex-fighters, around the Hillingdon area, where he has lived. They were the Finnigan brothers, my friend said that they were both nutters, one walks round with some medal on his chest and the other is the local hard nut, drinks alot and gets into a few rumbles.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 23 Mar 2007, 08:02

stujones wrote:
TerribleTerry wrote:
stujones wrote:Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.
I would put his brother higher I think.

He was living with Bob Foster until getting cracked late with that awesome left hook..
I didn't say most deserving of the a world title, but most deserving of a world title fight. Finnighan vs Foster was for the title.

My bad Stu - thats what comes off rushing thru thread whilst at work!

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 23 Mar 2007, 08:17

chris did ever so well in that one. one brave motherf..

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 23 Mar 2007, 10:03

Kevin usd to paint I recall... he was in the ring after Sibbo beat Brian Anderson and looked quite the artist with a beard and berry hat on... I met Chris in Brentford a while back at a Danny Williams fight I think... had a bit of a conversation but he was rather pissed...

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 23 Mar 2007, 10:27

Remember when Sky showed the Tarver-Johnson 2 slapfest. Ian Dark says, "I'll bet Chris Finnegan wished he was around today." LOL

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 23 Mar 2007, 13:11

stujones wrote:Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.

Peerless Jim Driscoll is head and shoulders above all other UK fighters who never got a shot at the World title. Kevin Finnegan was a very good fighter and as hard as nails but way below the level of the great Welsh master.

Finnegan was fringe world class for sure but when he was in his prime he couldn't get past Alan Minter and if he had got a shot in the mid-late 1970's at the World title Monzon would have crushed him inside 8 rounds.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 23 Mar 2007, 13:46

Anyone think that Conteh-Finnegan 1 isn't as close, and isn't as great, as the reputation would have it? I felt Conteh was a very clear winner yet the excellent, late Harry Mullan reckoned Finnegan nicked it.

Minter-KEVIN Finnegan 2, now that's a great one. Still had Minter winning thanks to clean punching, though.

Some of the British level fights of that era -particularly the above - piss on a lot of today's 'world title' stuff.

Arbachakov · Post by **Arbachakov** » 23 Mar 2007, 15:13

KOJOE90 wrote:
stujones wrote:Thinking of Finighan got me thinking of British fighters most most deserving of a world title fight but never had one.

His name must be high on such a list.
Peerless Jim Driscoll is head and shoulders above all other UK fighters who never got a shot at the World title. Kevin Finnegan was a very good fighter and as hard as nails but way below the level of the great Welsh master.

Finnegan was fringe world class for sure but when he was in his prime he couldn't get past Alan Minter and if he had got a shot in the mid-late 1970's at the World title Monzon would have crushed him inside 8 rounds.

I very much doubt it would have been that one-sided.Finnegan had a truly granite chin and was very good technically in a similar style to Bouttier.Offensively he was a bit better than the Frenchman and was more durable and versatile.

Barring cuts he would almost certainly have gone the distance and i expect would been competitive without ever looking like actually winning.He'd take 4 or 5 rounds from Carlos who was not the type of fighter to over-extend himself when it's apparent his opponent isn't going anywhere.

Finnegan was definitely a world class middleweight.Easily as good as the likes of Watson,Benn, Eubank and Graham.His record is very deceptive as to how good and skilled he actually was.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 23 Mar 2007, 18:06

Yeah I think Finnegan would have given Monzon a good fight... Finnegan was a counter puncher and I think thats why he gave Hagler a hardtime and he did have a great chin... Monzon would probably cut him up and force a stoppage late, ...but Kevin wouldnt have been 'crushed' he would have given Monzon a tough fight...