Renaldo Snipes Larry Holmes 7th round

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granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:

"Ali was down against Cooper, got up, lurched toward his corner, got extra time between rounds and stopped him the next round"

"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield , got up and TKO'd him Stooge “referee” Mills Lane stopped the fight a few rounds later"


"It means nothing that Snipes was able to sneak a right hand on Holmes that floored him. The only thing that matters was that Holmes got up and won the fight."

Who appointed you to decide what means nothing?

LOL
Who allows you to get on the computer and post such utter crap?

And just so you know in the future, a TKO usually means the referee stopped the fight. TKO stands for technical knockout.
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I don't know, but sometimes keyboard warriors need to get reeled in. Every fighter who fights in even a seemingly easy fight gets hurt. You get hurt when you fight. Fighters get hurt. I would see this as a valid criticism if Holmes stayed down but he didn't. It isn't good that Holmes was dropped by a novice, but it isn't a deduction on his greatness as a fighter. He got caught. He got up. He won.
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This must be related to that comment Holmes made about Marciano after dropping a decision in his 49th bout, vs Michael Spinks. Well Larry's mellowed alot in his old age and apologized for that remark that came after reporters badgered him after the fight. He also likes Gerry Cooney now, and says he's a class guy who would have beaten alot of heavyweights the night they fought.

As for the Snipes fight, Holmes obviously made the mistake of looking past his opponent. Snipes was coming off what should have been a clear one sided loss to Gerrie Coetzee, and no doubt Holmes didn't take him seriously. After the knockdown, Holmes got his wake up call and totally dominated the fight.
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granberry wrote:Interesting---

Snipes throws SIX consecutive left hands to the body from long range to bring Holmes' guard down.

The sixth one is quicker than the others

and followed by the right hand right on top of it that flattens Holmes.


Buzz, John L, Collins, evndr,

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you.

LOL.

Snipes actually outboxed Holmes there and suckered him into not expecting a right hand to the head.

So can we safely assume that Snipes was a much better boxer than either Holmes or Ali?
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granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:

"Ali was down against Cooper, got up, lurched toward his corner, got extra time between rounds and stopped him the next round"

BUZZ SAYS.....that's right just how much time did he get there anyway? I forget


"It means nothing that Snipes was able to sneak a right hand on Holmes that floored him. The only thing that matters was that Holmes got up and won the fight."

Who appointed you to decide what means nothing?


BUZZ SAYS.......I believe he was appointed by the Montana State "means nothing" commission in 2003, so his call is legit. However his license is up for renewal in September so we have the option to take action to block his re apointment if we choose.


LOL
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evndrbsn wrote:
granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:

"Ali was down against Cooper, got up, lurched toward his corner, got extra time between rounds and stopped him the next round"

"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield , got up and TKO'd him Stooge “referee” Mills Lane stopped the fight a few rounds later"


"It means nothing that Snipes was able to sneak a right hand on Holmes that floored him. The only thing that matters was that Holmes got up and won the fight."

Who appointed you to decide what means nothing?

LOL
Who allows you to get on the computer and post such utter crap?

And just so you know in the future, a TKO usually means the referee stopped the fight. TKO stands for technical knockout.
evndr assures us that Ali wasn't hurt when he got up and tried to walk to his corner after 185 1/2 Henry Cooper knocked Ali down with a left hook.

evndr assures us that stooge "referee" Mills Lane didn't give Holyfield a standing count just before drug addict Bert Cooper was about to knock Holyfield down.
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evndrbsn wrote:
granberry wrote:Interesting---

Snipes throws SIX consecutive left hands to the body from long range to bring Holmes' guard down.

The sixth one is quicker than the others

and followed by the right hand right on top of it that flattens Holmes.


Buzz, John L, Collins, evndr,

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you.

LOL.

Snipes actually outboxed Holmes there and suckered him into not expecting a right hand to the head.
No, I have no clue what you are getting at.
Of course you don't, evndr.

Anything that concerns the actual techniques of boxing you don't have a clue about.

That is obvious, even without your admitting it.
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Post by evndrbsn »

granberry wrote:
evndrbsn wrote:
granberry wrote:Interesting---

Snipes throws SIX consecutive left hands to the body from long range to bring Holmes' guard down.

The sixth one is quicker than the others

and followed by the right hand right on top of it that flattens Holmes.


Buzz, John L, Collins, evndr,

You don't have a clue what I'm talking about, do you.

LOL.

Snipes actually outboxed Holmes there and suckered him into not expecting a right hand to the head.
No, I have no clue what you are getting at.
Of course you don't, evndr.

Anything that concerns the actual techniques of boxing you don't have a clue about.

That is obvious, even without your admitting it.
Good example of you trying to avoid the valid points I brought to your attention. Remember, it isn't a crime to pick up a book or watch film when you are as inept at understanding the sport as you are.
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dempseyfire wrote:
granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:



"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield

LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yetLvvdShU4
Evander's knee touched the canvas . .


Holyfield doesn't touch his knee.

He sits on the second rope--which is not a knockdown.

Drug addict Bert Cooper was sure kicking the sh*t out of Holyfield wasn't he.
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granberry cut the suspense just tell us the top 15 HW's of all time so we can be up to speed.
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granberry wrote:
dempseyfire wrote:
granberry wrote:CORRECTIONS for your list:



"Holyfield was dropped by Bert Cooper Sorry YOU ARE WRONG. Stooge referee Mills Lane stopped drug addict Cooper from flooring Holyfield by giving Holyfield a standing count just as Cooper was about to floor Holyfield

LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yetLvvdShU4
Evander's knee touched the canvas . .


Holyfield doesn't touch his knee.

He sits on the second rope--which is not a knockdown.

Drug addict Bert Cooper was sure kicking the sh*t out of Holyfield wasn't he.


His knee did touch the canvas, but regardless . . .the rules of boxing state that if the ropes are the only thing keeping you from going down, it's considered a KD. Either way you slice it Mills Lane made the right call. No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion.

Why the ridiculous bias towards certain fighters? It's tired and adds nothing to the discussion. I'm a fan of both FRAZIER AND ALI. That's possible when you're a fan of boxing and not out with a wierd personal vendetta/agenda against certain fighters.

Holyfield got caught in that 2nd round and went down, but not only went on to kick Bert's butt around the ring the rest of the fight, he almost sent him down LATER THAT ROUND.

Holyfield-Cooper after Evander went down was a pretty one-sided fight.
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.....and was jack johnson really shielding his eyes against the sun? and why does it matter ?
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The by far most remarkable thing about this clip it's Holmes unbelievable recovery power. He dominated the rest of that round.
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Dempseyfire ,

How many times can you stick your foot in it in one paragraph?

"the rules of boxing state that if the ropes are the only thing keeping you from going down, it's considered a KD"

You are full of it.

There are no such "rules."

A knockdown is when any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touches the canvas as the result of a punch--a knee, a glove, the fighter's behind, flat on his face, flat on his back (as Ali was in the 15 th round against Frazier), both knees (as Ali was in the 11th round against Frazier).

Ali spent much of his career sitting on the ropes and that is just thrilling to the walking army of the Ali industry. That is not a "knockdown."

"Mills Lane made the right call"

Stooge "referee" Mills Lane certainly made the "right call" to protect the designated winner, Holyfield. If he didn't dance to protect the designated winner, he would never be asked to referee another Don King or Arum fight again.

" No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

Ali industry clone Dempseyfire admits that his "authorities" are the "fight announcers"----Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, Howard Cosell, and the other "experts" who never had a fight with their own sisters.

Poor Dempseyfire doesn't know that the Larry Merchants, Jim Lampleys, and Cosells would be fired in a heartbeat if they did anything other than shill for the designated winner.

Dempseyfire hangs on every word these shills say and breathlessly regurgitates their "insights" back out on this site.

And OF COURSE, dempseyfire spent a lot of time in the library going over all the newspapers in the US before he would dare make the statement,

"No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

So dempseyfire tells us he doesn't know what a knockdown is, and that he regards the media shills as his godlike authorities.

As if we didn't already know that.
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Post by Collins2000 »

granberry wrote:As if we didn't already know that.

We?

Where are the other fuckwits agreeing with your ridiculous 'claims', Cranberry?

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granberry wrote:Dempseyfire ,

How many times can you stick your foot in it in one paragraph?

"the rules of boxing state that if the ropes are the only thing keeping you from going down, it's considered a KD"

You are full of it.

There are no such "rules."

A knockdown is when any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touches the canvas as the result of a punch--a knee, a glove, the fighter's behind, flat on his face, flat on his back (as Ali was in the 15 th round against Frazier), both knees (as Ali was in the 11th round against Frazier).

Ali spent much of his career sitting on the ropes and that is just thrilling to the walking army of the Ali industry. That is not a "knockdown."

"Mills Lane made the right call"

Stooge "referee" Mills Lane certainly made the "right call" to protect the designated winner, Holyfield. If he didn't dance to protect the designated winner, he would never be asked to referee another Don King or Arum fight again.

" No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

Ali industry clone Dempseyfire admits that his "authorities" are the "fight announcers"----Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, Howard Cosell, and the other "experts" who never had a fight with their own sisters.

Poor Dempseyfire doesn't know that the Larry Merchants, Jim Lampleys, and Cosells would be fired in a heartbeat if they did anything other than shill for the designated winner.

Dempseyfire hangs on every word these shills say and breathlessly regurgitates their "insights" back out on this site.

And OF COURSE, dempseyfire spent a lot of time in the library going over all the newspapers in the US before he would dare make the statement,

"No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

So dempseyfire tells us he doesn't know what a knockdown is, and that he regards the media shills as his godlike authorities.

As if we didn't already know that.
This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "
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dempseyfire wrote:
granberry wrote:Dempseyfire ,

How many times can you stick your foot in it in one paragraph?

"the rules of boxing state that if the ropes are the only thing keeping you from going down, it's considered a KD"

You are full of it.

There are no such "rules."

A knockdown is when any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touches the canvas as the result of a punch--a knee, a glove, the fighter's behind, flat on his face, flat on his back (as Ali was in the 15 th round against Frazier), both knees (as Ali was in the 11th round against Frazier).

Ali spent much of his career sitting on the ropes and that is just thrilling to the walking army of the Ali industry. That is not a "knockdown."

"Mills Lane made the right call"

Stooge "referee" Mills Lane certainly made the "right call" to protect the designated winner, Holyfield. If he didn't dance to protect the designated winner, he would never be asked to referee another Don King or Arum fight again.

" No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

Ali industry clone Dempseyfire admits that his "authorities" are the "fight announcers"----Jim Lampley, Larry Merchant, Howard Cosell, and the other "experts" who never had a fight with their own sisters.

Poor Dempseyfire doesn't know that the Larry Merchants, Jim Lampleys, and Cosells would be fired in a heartbeat if they did anything other than shill for the designated winner.

Dempseyfire hangs on every word these shills say and breathlessly regurgitates their "insights" back out on this site.

And OF COURSE, dempseyfire spent a lot of time in the library going over all the newspapers in the US before he would dare make the statement,

"No-one who wrote about it afterward in the post-fight reports, and none of the fight announcers, agreed with your opinion."

So dempseyfire tells us he doesn't know what a knockdown is, and that he regards the media shills as his godlike authorities.

As if we didn't already know that.
This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "
Poor Dempseyfire takes time out from quoting his boxing "experts" Larry Merchant and Jim Lampley

to stick his foot up his own ass again.

Dempseyfire isn't bright enough to read the following on the "source" he so stupidly posts:

The ”The Professional Boxing Referee” columns are prepared by Armando Garcia in an effort to establish a criterion for dealing with numerous referee situations and as an attempt to interpret professional boxing rules in a simple manner. . .

Although he has a vast boxing resume, the views, opinions, and/or recommendations contained in this series of columns reflect his own interpretation of referee rules and procedures and not necessarily those of the entities that license him.

No one may rely on the accuracy, integrity, quality or completeness of the general information herein. Accordingly, neither the author nor anyone else affiliated with any website or press entity may be held liable for damages of any kind whatsoever allegedly caused or resulting from any such claimed reliance.

If anyone has any questions about this Disclaimer, Waiver of Rights and Indemnity, or any column, he or she should contact Armando Garcia at:

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Poor Dempseyfire cannot produce a "rule" from any official boxing commission that says that a fighter on the ropes is considered knocked down,

because there is no such rule.

HOW MANY TIMES does Dempseyfire need to demonstrate here that he doesn't have a clue what boxing is,

and that he gathers all his "knowledge" of boxing from those who are not experts.

With the trouble Dempsey fire has differentiating between opinion and what an actual rule is, I am sure he could far in the judiciary.

Maybe he can even get a special scholarship for the learning disabled.
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dempseyfire wrote: This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "

Don't forget Cranberry hasn't actually seen any of these fights. He hates Ali because his dad hated Ali. He 'learnt' all this nonsense while he was still on the tit.

You'll never be able to get through to him.
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Collins2000 wrote:
dempseyfire wrote: This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "

Don't forget Cranberry hasn't actually seen any of these fights. He hates Ali because his dad hated Ali. He 'learnt' all this nonsense while he was still on the tit.

You'll never be able to get through to him.
Halfwit Collins, like his fellow halfwit Dempseyfire,

thinks that opinion posted on an internet site is a "rule."

The two of you eagerly demonstrate in post after post here the old adage

Feeble in the mind---ALWAYS lag behind.
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granberry wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
dempseyfire wrote: This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "

Don't forget Cranberry hasn't actually seen any of these fights. He hates Ali because his dad hated Ali. He 'learnt' all this nonsense while he was still on the tit.

You'll never be able to get through to him.
Halfwit Collins, like his fellow halfwit Dempseyfire,

thinks that opinion posted on an internet site is a "rule."

The two of you eagerly demonstrate in post after post here the old adage

Feeble in the mind---ALWAYS lag behind.

Cranberry, did you learn that 'poetry' at the time your mom and dad taught you to hate? It wasn't Fred and Rosemary West was it?

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Collins2000 wrote:
granberry wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
Don't forget Cranberry hasn't actually seen any of these fights. He hates Ali because his dad hated Ali. He 'learnt' all this nonsense while he was still on the tit.

You'll never be able to get through to him.
Halfwit Collins, like his fellow halfwit Dempseyfire,

thinks that opinion posted on an internet site is a "rule."

The two of you eagerly demonstrate in post after post here the old adage

Feeble in the mind---ALWAYS lag behind.

Cranberry, did you learn that 'poetry' at the time your mom and dad taught you to hate? It wasn't Fred and Rosemary West was it?

:TU:
Dempseyfire (and his stooge Collins) aren't bright enough to read the following on the "source" dempseywire so stupidly posts:
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The ”The Professional Boxing Referee” columns are prepared by Armando Garcia in an effort to establish a criterion for dealing with numerous referee situations and as an attempt to interpret professional boxing rules in a simple manner. . .

Although he has a vast boxing resume, the views, opinions, and/or recommendations contained in this series of columns reflect his own interpretation of referee rules and procedures and not necessarily those of the entities that license him.

No one may rely on the accuracy, integrity, quality or completeness of the general information herein. Accordingly, neither the author nor anyone else affiliated with any website or press entity may be held liable for damages of any kind whatsoever allegedly caused or resulting from any such claimed reliance.

If anyone has any questions about this Disclaimer, Waiver of Rights and Indemnity, or any column, he or she should contact Armando Garcia at:

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Collins2000 wrote:
dempseyfire wrote: This is like arguing with a 5 year old.

http://www.secondsout.com/RINGSIDE/scen ... 57&cs=9855

"The general rules of boxing as well as all organized rules dictate that a boxer is deemed downed if when struck by a legal blow(s) any part other than the soles of his feet touch the canvas. He may also be considered down if he is hanging helplessly on the ropes as a result of a legal blow(s); or, if when struck by a legal blow(s) only the ropes prevented him from being knocked down. "

Don't forget Cranberry hasn't actually seen any of these fights. He hates Ali because his dad hated Ali. He 'learnt' all this nonsense while he was still on the tit.

You'll never be able to get through to him.
I quit trying to get through to him long ago.

Now I'm just making him look like a complete ass by disproving his BS theories completely.

1st the Snipes longcount and now his ridiculous claim that Mills Lane incorrectly scored a KD on Holyfield (and that Lane was completely crooked and 'protecting the house fighter')

Gran-Show me any rules of the WBC, IBF, or WBA which contradict what that paragraph stated.

You can't.

Prove to me Holmes got 20 seconds alloted to him in a long count vs Snipes . .

You can't.

Prove to me any of your bullshit crap theories you troll on this forum every couple of hours. Despite the topic you just have to slip in something derogatory about Ali, or ever so often, another boxer you have a personal vendetta against.

It's childish and I hope the Mods around here eventually see this is just bringing down the value of the whole forum and seriously inhibiting honest, open discussion without sideswipes every 5 seconds from an anti-Ali/Holmes/Holyfield troll.

This is the last response you're getting from me. You apparently are just begging for attention and trying to push buttons, and I'm tired of playing this game.
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dempseyfire wrote:
Gran-Show me any rules of the WBC, IBF, or WBA which contradict what that paragraph stated.

You can't.
.
No, dempseyfire.

You posted an OPINION on an internet website as a "rule."

It isn't a rule.

It is an opinion--as the disclaimer on the site you posted so clearly states.

I said you can't show that any boxing commission RULE states that a fighter resting on the ropes is down.

And you can't.

Now all you have left is to run sniveling to the "mods".

Don't post false drivel if you can't take being exposed.
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I wonder why dempseyfire even bothers "discussing" with this certified idiot.
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