Oh dear!

[Goz]

Mason looked lousy in that fight. You have to remember Lewis had boxed only 14 times up to then; Mason 35. Mickey Duff was convinced his man was going to beat Lewis, but in the event he never had a prayer.
I remember Mason virtually turning his back on Lewis several times in a novice attempt to avoid getting hit. I wanted to hide my head in my hands.

I was only 16 years old then and made £250 on that fight. I'm not really a gambling man, well not a large amounts of cash anyway, but so many people in my football team, at the snooker club, and at the sports shop I was working in were telling me how Mason was going to do this and that to him and they are giving me evens on the fight!

I mean even money on an Olympic Gold medallist against Gary Mason! I'd also seen every Lennox fight screened up to that point and plenty of Mason. Even to my young uneducated eye it was easy money and were it to take place now under the same conditions I would re-mortgage my house to take those who wanted to offer me even money to the cleaners!

[stujones]

Neil - How many times do you have to misread my post.

I NEVER said Williams was World class, I didn't say he ever was World class or ever likely to be World class. All I said is that on Naturally ability (the tools as I said in my first post) to beat someone of Oquendo's standing. Yes, I'm basing my opinions on his performance against Commonwealth level opposition - but thats quite similar to your beliefs about a prime Hide. At least give me that.

Your probably right about Williams, no doubt I was mightly dissapointed with his displays against Sam and Mivrovic - but I'm hoping the scare he got against Big Bob might get his arse into geer.

Believe me, should Williams not look impressive in any other fight (starting on Friday) I'll be completely agreeing with your posts completely.

But still I think even if the Danny we saw against Big Bob (which might be as good as he's ever going to be) will beat Harrison.

On Bruno - yes, I completely agree McCall on his day is a quality opperator, his determination to be Akinwande after having his arse handed to him for 5 rounds was superb.

However, we all know that this is not always the case - the Lewis second fight, the drab display against Holmes (majority decision). When McCall is not in the races, he's not in the races big style. I'm afraid that this was the case with the Bruno fight - its was actually quite reminiscend of Williams vs Francis I.

Hope you'll read this and finally see what I meant in my initial post - I'm prepared to give Danny one last go on Friday, last time for me.

[steve689]

Williams has great skills but little punch resistance and a questionable heart, in fact roll him and Tua together and you pretty much have a world class fighter.

[Dave1armedTua]

What was this topic about again?

It looks like Oquendo has got shafted out of the IBF title by some blind judges.

Oh. Right.

[stujones]

Williams has great skills but little punch resistance and a questionable heart, in fact roll him and Tua together and you pretty much have a world class fighter.

Yeah - your probably right, just this business about his chin only came into being vs Sam. Prior to that most people thought he chin was sound. I'm not saying your not spot on - I just usually wait for a fighter to be sparked twice before I put a cross on the chin category.

[steve689]

Williams has great skills but little punch resistance and a questionable heart, in fact roll him and Tua together and you pretty much have a world class fighter.

Yeah - your probably right, just this business about his chin only came into being vs Sam. Prior to that most people thought he chin was sound. I'm not saying your not spot on - I just usually wait for a fighter to be sparked twice before I put a cross on the chin category.

Yes, i tend to agree and maybe i was being a little unfair i mean Sam may just be a decent puncher? Williams heart and desire are his biggest downfalls IMO.

[Riddick Bowie]

Oliver McCall ranks with Marvin Hart as the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Did Tyrell Biggs take a 'dive' against Mason?

Did James Tillis do something similar against Gary?

1. oliver mccall beat lennox lewis to win the title. some credentials to be one of the worst champions of all time.

2. na he got a quick count. was giving mason trouble so the second he went down that dodgy ref who scored lewis-holy 1 started the count up at SEVEN !!!

3. again, tillis as overweight as he was was there to win. his trainer beau williford was as crooked as they come and would take money under the table from quicks opponents to ensure quick was not prepared and would not win. he threw in the towel in rd 5 to everybodys shock and disgust, including quick. it was obvious something dodgy had one on.

im not saying mason was a world beater. never said that, he was definately a plodder, but he had the durability and power to punch through danny williams.

thats all im saying boys..........

[REAL_DEAL]

Oliver McCall ranks with Marvin Hart as the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Did Tyrell Biggs take a 'dive' against Mason?

Did James Tillis do something similar against Gary?

1. oliver mccall beat lennox lewis to win the title. some credentials to be one of the worst champions of all time.

that happened on this day in 1994

[Goz]

Oliver McCall ranks with Marvin Hart as the worst heavyweight champion of all time.

Did Tyrell Biggs take a 'dive' against Mason?

Did James Tillis do something similar against Gary?

1. oliver mccall beat lennox lewis to win the title. some credentials to be one of the worst champions of all time.

that happened on this day in 1994

I watched the fight in a nightclub in Tenerife. Ruined my evening that did. :(