pundit wrote:
Wrong -- Palle wants to make the fight, Warren doesn't.
Consistent with either man's track record.
Bollocks. It's clear as a bell Palle has no intention of making a serious offer. Calzaghe probably made close to $5 million fighting Manfredo in his own backyard. The only way Kessler is getting big fights in Denmark is by taking a seriously low % of the purse. Warren offered around 5 mil to Taylor and everyone said it was a joke... the same is true of Palle's offer now.
Bollocks. I read somewhere that Calzaghe made a million pounds or thereabouts for the Manfredo fight.
$5 million US is about £2.5 million pounds. Easily a career high purse for Calzaghe.
You 'read somwhere'! Well that's that settled then. I read somewhere Calzaghe would probably beat Kessler... so need for them to bother fighting afterall...
lvlarc wrote:Whilst $5M will probably be a career high payday for Calzaghe. $3M (plus TV rights)
Sorry but it was $3m gross OR (miniscule) TV rights.
If Palle and Kessler really want the fight then they will come to UK.
... and vice versa.
The best would be an open purse bid.
$3M PLUS TV rights, that was the offer that was reported. Gross? Palle expects Warren to pay their sanctioning fees too huh? Regardless, it was still a career high payday for Kessler which got turned down so quit putting all the blame on Calzaghe's camp for this fight not materializing.
lvlarc wrote:Whilst $5M will probably be a career high payday for Calzaghe. $3M (plus TV rights)
Sorry but it was $3m gross OR (miniscule) TV rights.
If Palle and Kessler really want the fight then they will come to UK.
... and vice versa.
The best would be an open purse bid.
$3M PLUS TV rights, that was the offer that was reported. Gross? Palle expects Warren to pay their sanctioning fees too huh? Regardless, it was still a career high payday for Kessler which got turned down so quit putting all the blame on Calzaghe's camp for this fight not materializing.
Well, Palle offered 5 million net.
Of course I put all the blame on Calzaghe's camp. They are the ones who obviously don't want the fight.
For starters, it would be nice if Calzaghe himself would come out andsay "I want Kessler and have asked Fran to make that fight"
Taki... wrote:
Bollocks. It's clear as a bell Palle has no intention of making a serious offer. Calzaghe probably made close to $5 million fighting Manfredo in his own backyard. The only way Kessler is getting big fights in Denmark is by taking a seriously low % of the purse. Warren offered around 5 mil to Taylor and everyone said it was a joke... the same is true of Palle's offer now.
Bollocks. I read somewhere that Calzaghe made a million pounds or thereabouts for the Manfredo fight.
$5 million US is about £2.5 million pounds. Easily a career high purse for Calzaghe.
You 'read somwhere'! Well that's that settled then. I read somewhere Calzaghe would probably beat Kessler... so need for them to bother fighting afterall...
Well its more informed than your shot in the dark that Calzaghe made close to $5 million fighting Manfredo. Nob.
nickd wrote:
Bollocks. I read somewhere that Calzaghe made a million pounds or thereabouts for the Manfredo fight.
$5 million US is about £2.5 million pounds. Easily a career high purse for Calzaghe.
You 'read somwhere'! Well that's that settled then. I read somewhere Calzaghe would probably beat Kessler... so need for them to bother fighting afterall...
Well its more informed than your shot in the dark that Calzaghe made close to $5 million fighting Manfredo. Nob.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:The thing is, Palle might be offering to pay 5 million, is this an 'all in deal' with Palle holding on to TV rights, or does this offer any cut of TV?
allegedly allegedly allegedly isn't going to make anything on this deal, other than his 25% managers cut, which amounts to a fairly tidy sum I suppose.
Has Palle really got the money to make that offer? How much would he be paying Kessler.
I really am getting absolutely sick and tired of the endless waffle surrounding boxing. I hope that Oscar and Floyd put on a show, and the Hatton fight is good, because I feel myself becoming very jaded indeed.
That's what it always comes down to. Someone starts a "who will Calzaghe fight" thread and it goes on forever and the good opponent doesn't get delivered.
the fWanker is throat fvcking British boxing. He can't put on a fight unless he can take over the OTHER guy's career in case the challenger wins. Madness. I hope every media outlet has the balls to chastise the fWankstain.
Anyway, this is straying off the subject. I hear that he's in intensive (delusional, disappointing) negotiations with Roy Jones Jr.
I don't think Palle has as much clout as he lets on. Let's not forget that Palm Promotions helped out Team Palle to take the promotion away from Golden Boy Promotions.
If it will be held in Denmark it will be on a Palm Promotion card, Palle is restricted of a TV contract + Palm is filthy rich and have plenty of money to secure the fight.
nickd wrote:
Bollocks. I read somewhere that Calzaghe made a million pounds or thereabouts for the Manfredo fight.
$5 million US is about £2.5 million pounds. Easily a career high purse for Calzaghe.
You 'read somwhere'! Well that's that settled then. I read somewhere Calzaghe would probably beat Kessler... so need for them to bother fighting afterall...
Well its more informed than your shot in the dark that Calzaghe made close to $5 million fighting Manfredo. Nob.
pundit wrote:
Sorry but it was $3m gross OR (miniscule) TV rights.
... and vice versa.
The best would be an open purse bid.
$3M PLUS TV rights, that was the offer that was reported. Gross? Palle expects Warren to pay their sanctioning fees too huh? Regardless, it was still a career high payday for Kessler which got turned down so quit putting all the blame on Calzaghe's camp for this fight not materializing.
Well, Palle offered 5 million net.
Of course I put all the blame on Calzaghe's camp. They are the ones who obviously don't want the fight.
For starters, it would be nice if Calzaghe himself would come out andsay "I want Kessler and have asked Fran to make that fight"
When the fight is made and Kessler is defeated, I am coming after pundit specifically.
Joe could beat Kessler, Taylor and Hopkins in a row and you would find a way to discredit those accomplishments in full.
nickd wrote:Roy Jones' corpse would be a pathetic choice of opponent.
Do we expect anything else?
well, make sure you let your feelings known via Frank's website.
It makes you yearn for Glen Johnson, does this.
But nonetheless, it's a (financial) reality. Albeit a bleak one. Calzaghe gained himself a certain stature beating Lacy and Manfredo. Because of that he can take celebrity/old man fights in the grand US tradition.
Max Molyneux wrote:Pundit the pound/dollar thing Is Irrelevant really, I mentioned It because I find It weird that they're offering an offer In dollars to a person who doesn't even live In America.
Ah!
I see you still misread my posts and that you don't understand Logic.
That's obvious.
If Warren made an offer than by logic he wants the fight.
Warren made a joke offer which by logic implies that he does not want the fight.
He has done so often before.
Just because Palle says 5 million doesn't make It a good offer straight away. Sorry, but your no promoter or fighter to say whether It's ok to take. You see 5 million and Instantly assume It's good.
It's certainly much better than Warren's offer. If Warren can generate more money -- make a counter-offer.
Joe might lose on Tv revenue or ticket sales. How much did Joe get for Manfredo?
You tell me. Since Warren's fights never go to purse bids (a consequence of Joe carrying around the WBO "belt" that comes without mandatories, independently appointed referees, and transparent purse bids) we can only guess.
Otherwise, see above.
So it's obvious you don't understand logic?
3 million dollars Is hardly a joke offer. He made an offer and by logic he has shown he wants the fight.
5 millions high too but Joe might lose out of TV revenue and other things like ticket sales and like James said Warren wouldn't be making money other than a managers fee.
Max Molyneux wrote:
3 million dollars Is hardly a joke offer. He made an offer and by logic he has shown he wants the fight.
It's flawed logic, because the offer isn't a realistic one and he knows quite well that it wouldn't be accepted. I could offer Thierry Henry a tenner to play for my local team, and as a result I want him to play. The fact that Thierry would tell me where to go is another matter entirely.
Same scenario here. The real logic would be to make a realistic offer to show the fight is one which he really wants.
Thing is, Kessler is willing to travel to further his career. All the way to Australia. He did this with the very tricky Mundine. He did it with a bad back and won a hard fight. Why can't he do it again, sans bad back?
Just a thought.
Kessler's a top guy and we like the way he does things. But he's not quite the #1 yet. There are some inconsistencies with Kessler. He calls Joe out after defending his title yet is unavailable in July.
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Max Molyneux wrote:
3 million dollars Is hardly a joke offer. He made an offer and by logic he has shown he wants the fight.
It's flawed logic, because the offer isn't a realistic one and he knows quite well that it wouldn't be accepted. I could offer Thierry Henry a tenner to play for my local team, and as a result I want him to play. The fact that Thierry would tell me where to go is another matter entirely.
Same scenario here. The real logic would be to make a realistic offer to show the fight is one which he really wants.
Seriously I'd like to know how $3 million Is unrealistic.
Theres no flawed logis at all he made an offer which means he's shown Interest and not ducked like Pundit's assumptions.
Max Molyneux wrote:
3 million dollars Is hardly a joke offer. He made an offer and by logic he has shown he wants the fight.
It's flawed logic, because the offer isn't a realistic one and he knows quite well that it wouldn't be accepted. I could offer Thierry Henry a tenner to play for my local team, and as a result I want him to play. The fact that Thierry would tell me where to go is another matter entirely.
Same scenario here. The real logic would be to make a realistic offer to show the fight is one which he really wants.
Seriously I'd like to know how $3 million Is unrealistic.
Theres no flawed logis at all he made an offer which means he's shown Interest and not ducked like Pundit's assumptions.
Jesus, you're like stuck record.
Put it this way for starters, if my fighter was getting offered $3 million, whilst another fighter was getting offered $4 million, do you think I'd accept the $3 million? Would that be 'logical'?
PompeyScot wrote:
It's flawed logic, because the offer isn't a realistic one and he knows quite well that it wouldn't be accepted. I could offer Thierry Henry a tenner to play for my local team, and as a result I want him to play. The fact that Thierry would tell me where to go is another matter entirely.
Same scenario here. The real logic would be to make a realistic offer to show the fight is one which he really wants.
Seriously I'd like to know how $3 million Is unrealistic.
Theres no flawed logis at all he made an offer which means he's shown Interest and not ducked like Pundit's assumptions.
Jesus, you're like stuck record.
Put it this way for starters, if my fighter was getting offered $3 million, whilst another fighter was getting offered $4 million, do you think I'd accept the $3 million? Would that be 'logical'?
Taylors worth more than Kessler in US PPVs, hes worth the extra million.
PompeyScot wrote:
It's flawed logic, because the offer isn't a realistic one and he knows quite well that it wouldn't be accepted. I could offer Thierry Henry a tenner to play for my local team, and as a result I want him to play. The fact that Thierry would tell me where to go is another matter entirely.
Same scenario here. The real logic would be to make a realistic offer to show the fight is one which he really wants.
Seriously I'd like to know how $3 million Is unrealistic.
Theres no flawed logis at all he made an offer which means he's shown Interest and not ducked like Pundit's assumptions.
Jesus, you're like stuck record.
Put it this way for starters, if my fighter was getting offered $3 million, whilst another fighter was getting offered $4 million, do you think I'd accept the $3 million? Would that be 'logical'?
Errm, my post on logic was towards Pundit thinking 3 million Is a joke and saying that he's ducking Palle just because he offered It.
Even If the offers low by logic he's not ducking anyone.
Whos the one whos really stuck? I'd say It's Pundit.
I like to be civil but alot of people refuse to be.
Regardless, it was still a career high payday for Kessler which got turned down so quit putting all the blame on Calzaghe's camp for this fight not materializing.
