Tarver or Woods???

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 27 Jul 2007, 00:30

woe31 wrote:
Marlin wrote:Would there be any point/substantial finacial reward for Green to fight Glen Kelly while he waits for Woods???
I doubt that Kelly's people would go for it. Maybe down the track it could be an option, but I'd expect nothing but easy touches early on for Glen.

Kelly actually threw Green's name out there, saying he wanted the IBF Title and if that meant he had to fight Green to get a shot then so be it...

woe31 · Post by **woe31** » 27 Jul 2007, 00:53

Marlin wrote:
woe31 wrote:
Marlin wrote:Would there be any point/substantial finacial reward for Green to fight Glen Kelly while he waits for Woods???
I doubt that Kelly's people would go for it. Maybe down the track it could be an option, but I'd expect nothing but easy touches early on for Glen.
Kelly actually threw Green's name out there, saying he wanted the IBF Title and if that meant he had to fight Green to get a shot then so be it...

Really?! Missed that and it surprises me to be honest. I figured he'd take the path of least resistance towards the belt, not start calling out some of the big names. I'll give him some serious credit if he goes through with it so early on in a comeback, but I doubt it ends well for him if he does.

next_gr8 · Post by **next_gr8** » 27 Jul 2007, 02:23

Marlin wrote:
jezzamundo wrote:IMO Green should go for the winner of Woods-Johnson. Dawson has a very good chance of outboxing Danny, who would need a KO to win.
Yeah if Tarver isn't an option Woods is the way to go. When is Woods Johnson scheduled for? I know Glen is fighting Fred Moore today. Is there any chance Green Woods could be made before the Jonhson fight or does Clinton's next fight have to be Johnson???

I think he has to fight Jonhson by contract because he was injuried in training before they could fight last, but maybe they can make a deal saying jonhson gets the winner of Green/Woods. The world is tired of Johnson and Woods brother-in-lawing each other! What is this like their 50th fight against each other.lol

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 27 Jul 2007, 05:37

I watched Woods Vs DeLisle last night for the first time, I tipped that Green would need to KO Woods to win but he may actually be able to box with him and get a decision. Woods is easy to hit and i think Green would probably stop him unless he has improved a lot since he foght DeLisle.

walford · Post by **walford** » 27 Jul 2007, 12:06

ben k wrote:I watched Woods Vs DeLisle last night for the first time, I tipped that Green would need to KO Woods to win but he may actually be able to box with him and get a decision. Woods is easy to hit and i think Green would probably stop him unless he has improved a lot since he foght DeLisle.

Green got outboxed by Beyer and I don't think Woods is any worse than Beyer as far as boxing ability goes. Green is a world class brawler/ fighter, but a C-Grade boxer. Woods could outbox him. I think if Danny fights aggressively he'd beat Woods, but if he takes the wrong gameplan in I think he'd lose convincingly

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 28 Jul 2007, 01:25

walford wrote:
ben k wrote:I watched Woods Vs DeLisle last night for the first time, I tipped that Green would need to KO Woods to win but he may actually be able to box with him and get a decision. Woods is easy to hit and i think Green would probably stop him unless he has improved a lot since he foght DeLisle.
Green got outboxed by Beyer and I don't think Woods is any worse than Beyer as far as boxing ability goes. Green is a world class brawler/ fighter, but a C-Grade boxer. Woods could outbox him. I think if Danny fights aggressively he'd beat Woods, but if he takes the wrong gameplan in I think he'd lose convincingly

I was thinking the same thing but after watching Woods he is no were near the boxer that Beyer is, He is tougher but gets hit far more and will stand and trade. If Anyone at 175 stands and throws bombs with Green they will be stopped and unless Woods just had a bad night against DeLisle then i think he may get caught in the middle rounds.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 30 Jul 2007, 06:29

Woods or Briggs make perfect sense and would be good fights. Woods holding a title makes that more rewarding. I think Woods would welcome it - he must be sick of fighting Julio Gonzalez and Glen Johnson.

Green, I have to say, looks a lot better at light heavyweight than he did at super middle.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 30 Jul 2007, 09:20

I just watched Mundine-Green (for a second time) and couldn't believe how small and skinny Danny Green looked. His size advantage over Mundine looked negligible, and he didn't look particularly muscular.

It seems that the extra 7lb makes a BIG difference to Danny, because he looks so much stronger and healthier at LHW. I've heard he had 3% body fat for the Mundine fight, and around 7% for his fights at LHW.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:25

jezzamundo wrote:I just watched Mundine-Green (for a second time) and couldn't believe how small and skinny Danny Green looked. His size advantage over Mundine looked negligible, and he didn't look particularly muscular.

It seems that the extra 7lb makes a BIG difference to Danny, because he looks so much stronger and healthier at LHW. I've heard he had 3% body fat for the Mundine fight, and around 7% for his fights at LHW.

I still didn't think he looked great (physically) last time out, certainly not very muscular. The best I have seen him was in training a few weeks before the Beyer fight, he looked big and strong, yet we all know how that turned out. With that said the extra weight can only help him and he certainly had more of a go in his last fight compared to the mundine and second Beyer fight.

I think he will go well if he gets the 'shot' he is after.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:30

ben k wrote:I watched Woods Vs DeLisle last night for the first time, I tipped that Green would need to KO Woods to win but he may actually be able to box with him and get a decision. Woods is easy to hit and i think Green would probably stop him unless he has improved a lot since he foght DeLisle.

Yeah so now you know what I mean. I have seen Woods a few times and he is simply not that good. I think Green could definitely win a UD especially if he can make Woods taste his power early. As you say though I think it is probably more likely that he will knock him out.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:40

ben k wrote:
walford wrote:
ben k wrote:I watched Woods Vs DeLisle last night for the first time, I tipped that Green would need to KO Woods to win but he may actually be able to box with him and get a decision. Woods is easy to hit and i think Green would probably stop him unless he has improved a lot since he foght DeLisle.
Green got outboxed by Beyer and I don't think Woods is any worse than Beyer as far as boxing ability goes. Green is a world class brawler/ fighter, but a C-Grade boxer. Woods could outbox him. I think if Danny fights aggressively he'd beat Woods, but if he takes the wrong gameplan in I think he'd lose convincingly
I was thinking the same thing but after watching Woods he is no were near the boxer that Beyer is, He is tougher but gets hit far more and will stand and trade. If Anyone at 175 stands and throws bombs with Green they will be stopped and unless Woods just had a bad night against DeLisle then i think he may get caught in the middle rounds.

Beyer is definitely better than Woods. Woods fought his normal fight against DeLisle, it was not a bad night. His 'win' over Johnson was fought in much the same way, as was the Gonzales fight.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 30 Jul 2007, 23:07

Marlin wrote:
ben k wrote:
walford wrote: Green got outboxed by Beyer and I don't think Woods is any worse than Beyer as far as boxing ability goes. Green is a world class brawler/ fighter, but a C-Grade boxer. Woods could outbox him. I think if Danny fights aggressively he'd beat Woods, but if he takes the wrong gameplan in I think he'd lose convincingly
I was thinking the same thing but after watching Woods he is no were near the boxer that Beyer is, He is tougher but gets hit far more and will stand and trade. If Anyone at 175 stands and throws bombs with Green they will be stopped and unless Woods just had a bad night against DeLisle then i think he may get caught in the middle rounds.
Beyer is definitely better than Woods. Woods fought his normal fight against DeLisle, it was not a bad night. His 'win' over Johnson was fought in much the same way, as was the Gonzales fight.

I had seen his fight with Johnson and assumed it was just a tough fight ,mbut after watching him against DeLisle i realised he isnt a great boxer but he is tough. I still think Green needs a KO but he may be able to win on points if he gets a knockdown or 2.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 31 Jul 2007, 13:17

Marlin wrote:
ben k wrote:
walford wrote: Green got outboxed by Beyer and I don't think Woods is any worse than Beyer as far as boxing ability goes. Green is a world class brawler/ fighter, but a C-Grade boxer. Woods could outbox him. I think if Danny fights aggressively he'd beat Woods, but if he takes the wrong gameplan in I think he'd lose convincingly
I was thinking the same thing but after watching Woods he is no were near the boxer that Beyer is, He is tougher but gets hit far more and will stand and trade. If Anyone at 175 stands and throws bombs with Green they will be stopped and unless Woods just had a bad night against DeLisle then i think he may get caught in the middle rounds.
Beyer is definitely better than Woods. Woods fought his normal fight against DeLisle, it was not a bad night. His 'win' over Johnson was fought in much the same way, as was the Gonzales fight.

Woods is much bigger, and much stronger physically than Beyer. Beyer was classy but could fall to pieces. Woods has shown his boxing ability, outclassing Hoye and Gonzalez, shown his strength in the Delisle rematch, and proved he was top level by beating Johnson in the 3rd fight.

He is hittable though, but I still think he's a good fighter.

No way could Beyer take the shots that Woods shrugged off in the 9th against Johnson. Never mind the fact that he finished so strongly. Clinton wasn't even 100% coming in - he had a messed up elbow, his dad was having triple bypass surgery and he'd been disrespected by the show's promoter, Warren. CW looked miserable coming to the ring, but he won one of the fights of the year.

I believe Woods v Green would be a similar fight.

Brute · Post by **Brute** » 05 Aug 2007, 21:40

jezzamundo wrote:
hy Marlin,

Hey a Perth guy finally!!! I am about 15 000 km s away, but a huge GREEN MACHINE FAN IN EUROPE..yeah, i watched the beyer fight too...oh god, he was robbed...beyer can be put in the waste basket, just like erdei, drews and all the shy gay boxers who know shit about fighting and challenge!

Please, if you meet up with Danny, please, tell him that somebody in Slovakia is really a hardcore die-hard fan of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thx

Miki
I hope you are talking about the first Beyer fight, because Green definitely lost the second. I had it to Beyer by 1 point, and I am a big Green fan. I've not met Green, but I am from Perth.

Of course, we must forget that the referee put a standing eight count on Beyer when the rules for the fight said no standing eight count.
Maybe he just forgot.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 05 Aug 2007, 23:36

^I don't recall it being a standing 8 count... I could be wrong but I remember Green throwing everything he had at Beyer (finally) and Beyer going down against the ropes... Even if a glove touches the canvas or the ropes are the only thing that stops you from hitting the canvas it is ruled to be a KD.

Anyone else?

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 06 Aug 2007, 22:38

I think it was counted as a knockdown, otherwise I can't see how one of the judges could have scored it even, and one by just 1 point.

Green connected with an uppercut and then a glancing blow (can't remember what). Beyer was falling backwards into the ropes and Green charged at him. My initial impression is that it was not a KD because Green had pushed him, but upon rewatching, if Green had held back, Beyer would have gone down anyway.

Just a pity Green only showed that kind of aggression in the final round, because he was rubbish for the rest of the fight. The first time I saw the fight, I scored it 6 rounds to Beyer, 4 to Green, 2 even, plus the KD = 115-114. Rewatching I had it 7-4-1, for a score of 115-113 to Beyer. Close fight that Green was very capable of winning, but fought too cautiously. Amazing that Green only weighed 165 1/2lb for that fight.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 06 Aug 2007, 23:12

I haven't watched it for a while but I remember thinking he only had a go in the 6th and 12th rounds (I think it was those two). Which was really disappointing because I remember thinking he dominated those rounds and thought if he could have sustained that sort of intensity/aggression he could have won.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 07 Aug 2007, 17:49

I give Danny a fair chance against either, he seems to have had a new lease of life up at LH. Tarver is talented but is lazy and lacks later round stamina, something Danny won't be lacking and can exploit. If he is in the supreme condition he was versus Mundine he can take Tarver late, Antonio is also on the slide after a long amateur career IMO.

As for Woods it's a tricky one, i remember Woods being called out Paul Briggs a while back but it never came to fruition. Woods is having somewhat of an indian summer in his career and ever since he pummelled Rico Hoye for the IBF belt he hasn't looked back. He hammered DeLisle in the rematch, looked handy outpointing Julio Gonzalez and then showed spirit and balls to come back from the brink to get his revenge over Glen Johnson. Why Woods is fighting Gonzalez again is pointless, but that's sanctioning bodies for you. Woods-Green would be a much better option.

On a final note whatever happened to Green-Siaca for the IBO trinket? Seemed a good one for my money when it was announced.

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 07 Aug 2007, 18:36

steve689 wrote: On a final note whatever happened to Green-Siaca for the IBO trinket? Seemed a good one for my money when it was announced.

Siaca pulled out because of a virus a few weeks before the fight. Everyone was disappointed, it would have been a much better (and more meaningful) fight than the Griffin fight turned out to be...

greenman0423 · Post by **greenman0423** » 12 Sep 2007, 04:38

i really dont mind who Danny fights. I think if Tarver and Woods can both hold their titles long enough Danny will beat them both.

GM #1 · Post by **GM #1** » 13 Sep 2007, 00:02

word from his camp in Perth is either of these fights are still a way off being done.

woods is a typical UK fighter happy to fight guys put in front of him by the sanctioning bodies that he pays, knowing they have been beaten before and will be again!

for beyer 2 and mudnien his body fat was less than 3% and at light heavy it is less than 4% which still borders on unhealthy!

Marlin · Post by **Marlin** » 13 Sep 2007, 00:19

GM #1 wrote:for beyer 2 and mudnien his body fat was less than 3% and at light heavy it is less than 4% which still borders on unhealthy!

That is crazy! Ronnie Coleman has 6% body fat in the off season and I thought that was amazingly low...

In saying that I guess he couldn't really compete any higher, heavyweight would be crazy...

What does he come into the ring at?

convict · Post by **convict** » 13 Sep 2007, 00:57

Its funny that both Woods and Green had health issues that did stop them from performing @ %100, Thats why i belive Green seems so much strong and sharper now, Same with Woods.

As for a fight between both of them..It would be close...I,d back green since hes a aussie but if it was left to the judges in the UK we all know what the out come would be.