OT: 547,001 Brits leaving the UK... who else is coming?

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Terry D wrote:
However, I will put all this aside and get you a job working with me in Korea - a well paid post with your own flat and airfare out there,
I jsut have to post Carlos to put you out of your misery.

You want me to move to Korea with you. Here I was thinking you had aggression issues when it is that playground aggression and name calling you get between a girl and a boy.

You might be young, dumb and with an a*se full of cum but I'm not I'm afraid. All power to your perusal of this lifestyle but I'll stick to heterosexuality and move abroad with my girlfriend.

I like my job and my tutor here is the best, for me personally, on Heideggerean philosophy so I'll stay put.
Listen you complete and utter layabout. I was trying to get you off your fat arse and save you 5 grand rather than spending good money on another MA that you don't need on the most useless subject in academia and personal abuse is the only thanks I get? :o

Show some gratitude!

Look, no-one is going to be interested in your two philosophy MAs! The second MA is just an excuse to sit around doing feck all. Why don't you do a Phd? At least you are showing the planet you are progressing with your studies instead of arsing about in a comfort zone.

Let me know when you get your job abroad when you finished studying Terry, You will have to know what the customers are saying when they tell you 'dos big macs y dos helados por favor' :TU:
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Gents, coming to this one a bit late, but a fascinating topic. I returned to the UK in May of last year after nearly seven years in Dubai, and while I loved my time in the Middle East, it served to also highlight aspects of my homeland that previously I'd taken for granted, ranging from the beautiful countryside through to the rich and diverse culture.
I've also been fortunate enough to travel extensively, and I'm sitting in a hotel room in Sydney writing this, which lends it a certain irony, but I do think that those in the UK can on occasion be guilty of putting on the rose-tinted specs regarding other countries and ignoring some of the virtues of their own.
Having said that, I should qualify it by saying that so much of your personal experience depends on where you are and what your income is (unfortunately). I'm living in Somerset, which is chilled-out, has little in the way of crime, and has stunning surroundings. Equally if I was working in the city in London and so could afford a place in a mews in Mayfair, I'm sure I'd think I was living in one of the best cities in the world, whereas someone living in a bedsit in Tooting would in effect be living in a city that while geographically the same one, is in reality totally different, if you see what I mean.
Ultimately it's such a subjective topic, as we all have our own personal likes and dislikes which will influence which countries we find more appealing, but what I would say is that some of the time it's worth taking a step back and looking at the UK through a 'fresh pair of eyes', as while there are clearly things that can be improved, there's also a lot about this place we can justifiably be proud of.
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Deserter wrote:Gents, coming to this one a bit late, but a fascinating topic. I returned to the UK in May of last year after nearly seven years in Dubai, and while I loved my time in the Middle East, it served to also highlight aspects of my homeland that previously I'd taken for granted, ranging from the beautiful countryside through to the rich and diverse culture.
I've also been fortunate enough to travel extensively, and I'm sitting in a hotel room in Sydney writing this, which lends it a certain irony, but I do think that those in the UK can on occasion be guilty of putting on the rose-tinted specs regarding other countries and ignoring some of the virtues of their own.
Having said that, I should qualify it by saying that so much of your personal experience depends on where you are and what your income is (unfortunately). I'm living in Somerset, which is chilled-out, has little in the way of crime, and has stunning surroundings. Equally if I was working in the city in London and so could afford a place in a mews in Mayfair, I'm sure I'd think I was living in one of the best cities in the world, whereas someone living in a bedsit in Tooting would in effect be living in a city that while geographically the same one, is in reality totally different, if you see what I mean.
Ultimately it's such a subjective topic, as we all have our own personal likes and dislikes which will influence which countries we find more appealing, but what I would say is that some of the time it's worth taking a step back and looking at the UK through a 'fresh pair of eyes', as while there are clearly things that can be improved, there's also a lot about this place we can justifiably be proud of.
:TU: Well said.
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Well enjoy it Carlos. I'll carry on with the greatest subject of all time as it makes me feel relaxed and staying here means I can watch my little niece get that little bit older and see her discover the world, which I would rather do than discover the world right now, I'm happy with Europe.

As for an excuse for doing nothing, would you seriously expect me to be satisfied with an MA in Analytical philosophy that concentrated on John Rawls? Have a word with yourself, in English, so you can process the info.

Get out of the call centers by all means and enjoy Korea :TU:
Fair enough, but don't try and BS any of us that your two MAs will be worth anything other than becoming most qualified man in job club.

Though philosophy is a useless subject. I can't see why you can't do your Phd instead of doing another MA. It tells anyone with any sense that you are scared of a bit of hard work and leaving your comfort zone. Which is again fair enough, but leaving you totally unqualified to judge anyone about making a new start somewhere else.

Anyway, good luck with your second MA! I hope your niece in the future gets to see all the places you don't have the balls to see. She will grow as a person from experiencing other cultures! which will explain your personal stunted growth!
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just a matter of intrest here carlos, but who do you think is to blame for this "yob culture" and do you think anything can be done to erradicate this problem.
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larry cake wrote:just a matter of intrest here carlos, but who do you think is to blame for this "yob culture" and do you think anything can be done to erradicate this problem.
Many parents are simply unable to bring their children up with any idea of manners or respect. Think how bad it is now compared to 30-40 years ago and then think how bad it is going to get.

It's difficult to blame the kids when they have been allowed to do whatever they want since birth.

Until discipline returns to homes, schools, prisons etc the situation will just get worse.
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larry cake wrote:just a matter of intrest here carlos, but who do you think is to blame for this "yob culture" and do you think anything can be done to erradicate this problem.
Its a tough one because a lot of people say this behaviour has always been part of the British pysche going back as far as King Harold.

I think though that the yob situation has got worse over the past 20 years. I blame judges and the law enforcement agencies who have got soft and lazy on the public.

Thing is now, how do we turn this problem (and it is a big one) around? the feral youth of today have no fear of authority. It is never going to be solved in the short term.

The anwser, I have no idea apart from the usual 'birch them/kill them'
suggestions.

What I do know is that rampant, widespread yob culture is pretty much
unheard of outside this country.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well, where is this demi-paradise, this eden to which you are travelling.

England may have it's problems, but where are you going to go that hasn't?

Good luck my friend, but I fear you are in for a dissapointment.
Let him go, he is useless.


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larry cake wrote:just a matter of intrest here carlos, but who do you think is to blame for this "yob culture" and do you think anything can be done to erradicate this problem.
Many parents are simply unable to bring their children up with any idea of manners or respect. Think how bad it is now compared to 30-40 years ago and then think how bad it is going to get.

It's difficult to blame the kids when they have been allowed to do whatever they want since birth.

Until discipline returns to homes, schools, prisons etc the situation will just get worse.
i agree with you that dicipline is very important in a childs life, but i think the right balance has to found to maintain the dicipline, as i feel over diciplining a child will only cause them to rebel and therefore become a part of the yob culture.

i feel in some certain circumstances the parents who are overly keen to punish the child are as much to blame as the ones who do nothing.
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larry cake wrote:just a matter of intrest here carlos, but who do you think is to blame for this "yob culture" and do you think anything can be done to erradicate this problem.
Its a tough one because a lot of people say this behaviour has always been part of the British pysche going back as far as King Harold.

I think though that the yob situation has got worse over the past 20 years. I blame judges and the law enforcement agencies who have got soft and lazy on the public.

Thing is now, how do we turn this problem (and it is a big one) around? the feral youth of today have no fear of authority. It is never going to be solved in the short term.

The anwser, I have no idea apart from the usual 'birch them/kill them'
suggestions.

What I do know is that rampant, widespread yob culture is pretty much
unheard of outside this country.
i personally think there is many reasons that we have a yob culture, but while i dont agree with your birch them / kill them solution, i do agree with the point you made about the law enforcement agencies getting lazy.

the home secrataries and press always seem to think that the more money thats given to the police, the better equipped they are to tackle crime, but to me the extra monies the forces are given just seem to be spent on making their jobs easier i.e more cars, computers and personel
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'm not taking sides here, but that was very funny Terry.

Carlos, I've 'known' you since vivi.com forum days, and you always seemed a decent enough chap to me, and I know you and Terry have got into one over whatever it was, but come on, let's be fair, what's wrong with staying put where you're from? One of the problems with our society is that nobody puts down roots and stays put any more, they buy a house, make a packet, trade it in, and move out somewhere further out where they get more for their money, and where they can avoid the turmoil of the inner cities, rather than plant their flag and say 'this is my area, and I'm going to do what I can to make it a better place.'

This is part of what has destroyed our society, people would rather move on that make a stand and make a difference.
Sorry I missed this James, I'll anwser it now though.

I think in this day an age where air travel is as cheap as it has ever been
it is a crime not to see the world.

It is not for everybody I agree, I just don't see why this generation who can afford to travel anywhere in the world don't do it. Our fathers generation would have given their right arm to be in that position, and when they did - it was because they were in the army.

Terry comes across as a plank but he has an education behind him. He has the opportunities open to him to see places, I have more contempt for him that the average chav on the street because you would think he would want to expand his horizons but it looks like he doesn't want to know.

I remember having a chat with this chav on a bus in St Helens about seeing the great wall of China 'what did you do that fer, its just a fookin'
wall innit'

The terreocotta army - 'its made of cheese innit?' no, they weren't being funny!

You know the great thing about Buenos Aires (a plce I have lived in for quite a while) is that the population still live in the middle of the city. It is a fantastic place because of it and it is very safe. There doesn't seem to be a British version of Buenos Aires and thats a shame.
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Joining the thread a bit late, most of what I would have liked to say has been said already, enjoyable thought-provoking reading though chaps! :TU:

I got out of London a year ago, only to the countryside in Bucks but it is refreshing. There are still good places to live in the UK if you choose well and do your research.

Even the chavs in Wycombe (nearest big town) are harmless, I've seen scarier poodles.

And I'm only 29 mins from London etc so it's all good.

But I also acknowledge things are getting worse and I am certain they will continue to worsen. I envisage myself moving further out of London in 5-10 years and then re-assess but I wouldn't be surprised to find myself doing the ex-pat thing in a sunny country in perhaps 20 years (finances allowing of course).

Only problem with that is when one of you croaks and you get bloody old, you have to come back to the UK and doing that must be freaking tough in your eighties....
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It's easy for people to talk about how great this country is, but wait until someone really important in your life becomes another statistic through no fault of their own, and justice is not carried out. See how quickly you can get over something like that.

Decent people have the most to fear, knowing that there is every chance the state will hang them out to dry if they defend themselves too well from an unprovoked attack. Then you end up sharing a prison with the very scum you tried to protect yourself from.

There is something seriously fornicating wrong when these absolute wastes of space that we read about every single day of the week, have seemingly nothing to fear. Light sentences, someone walking the streets with a cv of 100 offences etc, it makes me absolutely sick.
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Kilburn wrote:It's easy for people to talk about how great this country is, but wait until someone really important in your life becomes another statistic through no fault of their own, and justice is not carried out. See how quickly you can get over something like that.

Decent people have the most to fear, knowing that there is every chance the state will hang them out to dry if they defend themselves too well from an unprovoked attack. Then you end up sharing a prison with the very scum you tried to protect yourself from.

There is something seriously effing wrong when these absolute wastes of space that we read about every single day of the week, have seemingly nothing to fear. Light sentences, someone walking the streets with a cv of 100 offences etc, it makes me absolutely sick.
That's right, neither I nor anybody important to me has experienced this, and this may be why I hold this country in high regard.

What I do know, however, is that there are many countries where the above is much MORE likely to happen than in Britain.
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Post by Max Molyneux »

Why Immigrate over the countries problems?

I'm sure theirs people who emmigrate from the UK because theres a place they like so much an such, the people who leave because of crap that happens sound like people who would rather run from a problem than try to help solve It.

I read about Ex-pats saying how much they still love the place too yet leave wherever they loved anyway.
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People have talked about emigrating for as long as I can remember - It certainly is not something that has suddenly become fashionable.

Due to how much easier it is now, I guess more people are 'actually' getting out there and doing it instead of talking about it.

I know one thing is certain - The People that are emigrating from the Uk are not doing so to go and leech of another countrys benefit system. ;)
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Twinkle Toes wrote:People have talked about emigrating for as long as I can remember - It certainly is not something that has suddenly become fashionable.

Due to how much easier it is now, I guess more people are 'actually' getting out there and doing it instead of talking about it.

I know one thing is certain - The People that are emigrating from the Uk are not doing so to go and leech of another countrys benefit system. ;)
I'm surprised they don't. Since any EU member can claim unemployment benefit in any EU country, you would think more people would realise claiming the dole in the Costas would be better than claiming it in Wolverhampton!
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Carlos-Wigan wrote:I graduated with the sole intention of leaving this place and by golly hat day has come! the date is set for the start of October!

This country has gone to the pits. I'm not one of those people who are emigrating because of immigrants coming into this country, I don't know how anyone can be so stupid as to think as to even come out with an assine reason such as that one. how can someone whinge about immigration runing the country and then immigrate themselves?

I have nothing against immigrants coming here to live, they should have the freedom to come here as I have the freedom to live where I want. As long as they work and abide by the law I have no problem with immigrants.

The reason I'm leaving is the yob culture, it is getting out of control. Yobs are ruling the place now and everyone is scared to do something about.

Couple that with a media and an education system that encourages stupidity and a lack of self responsibility which in turn reinforces the yob culture: Take for example the winners of BB, Brian is a thick as a plank and is going to become famous on the back of it. The twins go to UNIVERSITY! How the hell has that happened.

Add to lazy policemen and inept judges and you have a country thats barely worth a crumb.

I'm outta here... who else is coming?
You mention Policeman. But there is no such thing in the UK

They are Glorified traffic wardens. They are only interested in parking fines and speeding tickets.

They dont even bother to try to catch criminals now.

I have no respect for the Police whatsoever.
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Carlos-Wigan wrote:I graduated with the sole intention of leaving this place and by golly hat day has come! the date is set for the start of October!

This country has gone to the pits. I'm not one of those people who are emigrating because of immigrants coming into this country, I don't know how anyone can be so stupid as to think as to even come out with an assine reason such as that one. how can someone whinge about immigration runing the country and then immigrate themselves?

I have nothing against immigrants coming here to live, they should have the freedom to come here as I have the freedom to live where I want. As long as they work and abide by the law I have no problem with immigrants.

The reason I'm leaving is the yob culture, it is getting out of control. Yobs are ruling the place now and everyone is scared to do something about.

Couple that with a media and an education system that encourages stupidity and a lack of self responsibility which in turn reinforces the yob culture: Take for example the winners of BB, Brian is a thick as a plank and is going to become famous on the back of it. The twins go to UNIVERSITY! How the hell has that happened.

Add to lazy policemen and inept judges and you have a country thats barely worth a crumb.

I'm outta here... who else is coming?
You mention Policeman. But there is no such thing in the UK

They are Glorified traffic wardens. They are only interested in parking fines and speeding tickets.

They dont even bother to try to catch criminals now.

I have no respect for the Police whatsoever.
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Carlos-Wigan wrote:I graduated with the sole intention of leaving this place and by golly hat day has come! the date is set for the start of October!

This country has gone to the pits. I'm not one of those people who are emigrating because of immigrants coming into this country, I don't know how anyone can be so stupid as to think as to even come out with an assine reason such as that one. how can someone whinge about immigration runing the country and then immigrate themselves?

I have nothing against immigrants coming here to live, they should have the freedom to come here as I have the freedom to live where I want. As long as they work and abide by the law I have no problem with immigrants.

The reason I'm leaving is the yob culture, it is getting out of control. Yobs are ruling the place now and everyone is scared to do something about.

Couple that with a media and an education system that encourages stupidity and a lack of self responsibility which in turn reinforces the yob culture: Take for example the winners of BB, Brian is a thick as a plank and is going to become famous on the back of it. The twins go to UNIVERSITY! How the hell has that happened.

Add to lazy policemen and inept judges and you have a country thats barely worth a crumb.

I'm outta here... who else is coming?
You mention Policeman. But there is no such thing in the UK

They are Glorified traffic wardens. They are only interested in parking fines and speeding tickets.

They dont even bother to try to catch criminals now.

I have no respect for the Police whatsoever.

This government encourages low standards, faliure and dumbing down

They are now offering apprenticships to pupils who FAIL GCSE´s

Yep if you FAIL all of your exams, you are rewarded with an apprenticship.

Shouldnt they incentivise the kids to pass, with the reward being an apprenticship, from which you can learn a trade to give you a lively hood.

I hate these PC fcuking liberals I literally fcuking despise them and there thought processes.
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Twinkle Toes wrote:People have talked about emigrating for as long as I can remember - It certainly is not something that has suddenly become fashionable.

Due to how much easier it is now, I guess more people are 'actually' getting out there and doing it instead of talking about it.

I know one thing is certain - The People that are emigrating from the Uk are not doing so to go and leech of another countrys benefit system. ;)
Why not, if you're in the UK you can claim money in the European Union can't you?

As for there being no police, that is a nonsense. I've had recourse to use the services of the police in recent times, and whilst not always a bastion of efficiency they were absolutely priceless when my mother had Alzheimers

The problems this country have stem from the following.

The erosion of our manufacturing industry which is something which has been going on for decades, which has robbed our youth of decent trade and a sense of purpose, replacing them instead with 'McJobs' in the service industry. An underclass is required for our society to function, it's as simple as that.

At the same time, the ushering in of free market economics, has allowed a section of the skilled classes to make totally unprecedented amounts of money. Couple this with the burgeoning housing market, and you have an unprecedented situation of haves and have nots, a tinderbox waiting to be ignited which is creating most of the problems we have now, as uneducated, undermotivated unemployed yobs form themselves into gangs of the dissafected

It was a lot easier 50 years ago, people lived in simpler times, and were more grateful for what they had. A roof over their head, food on the table, and a steady job made you a man, not a brand new car, the latest plasma screen, 90 quid trainers and a 50 cent baseball cap which costs 30 quid. The cult of consumption has gone mad, and why wouldn't it when free market economics and a society built on insanse levels of consumption is what we exist in.

The sense of a society, a community, a common weal for which we all strive is gone. How many people know or talk to their neighbours in the inner cities, unless it's to scream abuse or complain about music being played loudly? It's all about the self, the family, moving on, moving up, pimping your life and screw everyone else. Our inner cities are fast becoming a combination of deprived ghettos full of non educated unemployed yobbos, and rich homeowners, and those living in gated communities. As soon as they can, people move out of the city centre, buy a place in the burbs, and help perpetuate the cycle.

KO, as for apprenticeships, what would you rather, that people who fail their exams were just left to their own devices, or trained for gainful employment, your argument makes no sense. The kids who pass are incentivised with univeristy places and the chance of a decent job when they graduate relatively speaking compared to those who dont.

It is the poorest members of our society which require the most aid. Fine, you can say 'balls to them, the cream rises to the top' but if you take that attitude, then you'd better prepare to turn the entire country into one big jail, because you are going to have one hell of a crime wave.

I've decided I'm going to try and make a difference, I'm signing up for a youth mentoring programme ASAP. I'm planting my flag, join me!
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KO, apprenticeships are vocational qualifications that combine practical training with theory, and also include numeracy and literacy qualifications as well. To achieve an apprenticeship you have to achieve both the vocational and academic portions of the qualifications. They are well regarded qualifications in some sectors, and should not be sneezed at. Pity more young people arent equipping themselves to get themselves a career in this way IMO.
But then again Im biased because I work for a work-based learning provider!
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Thanks.

Not finding it so easy to find information on how to get into it.
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Good luck with the mentoring Jim, if I come across any info during my line of work I'll send it you.
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Post by Goz »

Lenient 'punishment' is another massive issue in this country. There is no deterrent for crime.

About 5/6 years ago by brother-in-law was out with his wife (then girlfriend) and another couple, about 1am in Kentish Town. Got attacked by 15+ youths and got the shit beaten out of them, yes even the girls.

You have to take my word for this but my brother in law and his friend didn't provoke it.....

My brother in laws friend has his head jumped on and needed emergency brain surgery. He lived and is fine now but he lived through the grace of god and little else, certainly not through the skill and judgement of these chav scum. My point is they should have been charged with murder even though they didn't kill anyone.

Never could understand the difference between murder and attempted murder in terms of the judicial system. IMO there should be no difference.

Anyway all these kids were caught by the police, apparently bragging on their local estate about how they had courageously beaten up 4 people who reverse numbered them 1 to 4, all went to court, all found guilty and all walked with nothing more serious than suspended sentences.

For nearly killing someone.

And they were known to the police so the authorities had opporunities to nip this in the bud before.
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