Chauncy Welliver

Klee Gluckman · Post by **Klee Gluckman** » 21 Oct 2007, 02:15

He lost a fight in New Zealand. It now states there was controversy and it stands a no contest. No way, he was outboxed the judges were right. Is this official.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 21 Oct 2007, 04:30

Well you must be a powerful man Mr Gluckman because Sii Uta now has the win in his record. I'll lay even money Chauncy responds by sunset, we have the decision changed another three times and the topic moves into the record queries forum HOF #2 position behind John Duddy's nationality*

There's only one way to settle this. If you thought Chauncy lost to Sii Uta, call 0800 756 756. If you're An Australasian judge looking for a good time and the reinstatement of an NC call 0800 765 765 and press 2. If you're looking for Ike Ibeabuchi's nationality to be changed to Irish, please hold whilst we hang up on you halfway through Greensleeves.

*Is he bollocks Armernian. Swiss-Russian through and through is our John.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 21 Oct 2007, 04:39

The bout has been locked today by the australian editor (who also does the New Zealand results) based on a commission report, so I guess that the result is here to stay.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 21 Oct 2007, 05:02

Fair enough. It's just the last time I remember seeing this thing being discussed, the NZ commission - guy by the name of Mc-something - can't remember exactly - gave official confirmation by way of paperwork that he was ruling it a NC, although his initial decision had been to give the decision to Sii Uta.

N2 Shape · Post by **N2 Shape** » 21 Oct 2007, 18:53

What a joke, Chauncy won this fight easily, and he now gets robbed of a win and given a loss!! It was ruled a NC which is bad enough quite clearly there was a balls up in the officiating of this bout in which case it needs to be ruled a NC for the result to be changed to a win for Sii Uta 3 years after the bout took place is laughable!

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 21 Oct 2007, 19:54

What does Fightfax say?

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 21 Oct 2007, 21:43

what does it matter what Fightfax says

this was dealt with at length and i provided paperwork showing the result was changed to a NC

to change this result at this late date, and not even allude to the prior positions is absolutely not right

N2 Shape · Post by **N2 Shape** » 22 Oct 2007, 05:48

delisa i agree totally with you. Why was it even decided to start changing this result now after it had been dealt with and made a NC. It doesnt make any sense at all, anmd unfortunatley Chauncy is the one whos career takes a hit because of someone elses complete incompetence!

Itr should be changed back to a NC immediately!

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 22 Oct 2007, 05:53

John Lloyd reckons BoxRec & FightFax is correct

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 22 Oct 2007, 07:45

AntonS wrote:John Lloyd reckons BoxRec & FightFax is correct

Does fightfax have it to Sii Uta?

N2 Shape · Post by **N2 Shape** » 22 Oct 2007, 18:17

So paperwork was sent in confirming a NC but we'll change a result based on one mans word? and his opinion of the fight?

What credibility that gives boxrec!

I'd like to know who actually actioned the result to be changed from a NC in the first place after 3 years? But of course no one will front!

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 22 Oct 2007, 19:26

Sorry to say paperwork was a forgery. Tel/Fax numbers & email address was not that of McCrystal. The document beared his signature & stamp, but if you enlarge the image you'll soon notice what I mean.

Sure NZNBF eventually changed the result to NC but only because it got tired of all the crap.
It wasn't exactly a career threatening result so I suggest you put it behind you & move on.

I would've changed it long ago, but didn't have locking ability. Now that I have it's history.
Cheers

N2 Shape · Post by **N2 Shape** » 22 Oct 2007, 23:58

Why not come out and say that straight away instead of piss assing around?

The result is still in question, a judge/or judges incompetence lead to this in the first place. who can say for sure which way the fight was scored after there stuff up, a judge told chauncy he scored it for him then tells someone else he scored it against him, quite clearly theres a issue here and the fight should and deserves to remain a NC!

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 23 Oct 2007, 00:09

Had the document not been a forgery I would’ve been touch sympathetic.

The result will stand. - End of story.

I won't be responding on this matter anymore.
Cheers

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 23 Oct 2007, 04:05

BTW Craig
It would probably be best if you spent more time keeping tabs on NZ's so called regulating bodies - NZNBF, NZPBA, NZBC than boxers' records.

A boxer that fought in NZ last June, got the flick out of last Saturday's scheduled fight in Melbourne due to Hep B positive.

Is there such thing as compulsory 6 month serology test in NZ??

Hate to say; ALL of you need to pull your finger out :P

Klee Gluckman · Post by **Klee Gluckman** » 23 Oct 2007, 06:37

Chauncy did not win that fight easy I scored it even. But the fact is the judges gave it to the other guy, there was no real protest from the crowd it was a close fight.

Chauncy · Post by **Chauncy** » 26 Oct 2007, 18:50

Anton was contacted by Gary McCrystal, the commissioner, by phone, and changed the result.
Now, Anton is changing his tune? Anton has some sort of beef with anybody thats not from Aussie, and he seems to try to take his aggression out on me.
This has been going on for some time, and Anton himself said he talked with McCrystal, the commissioner in his last report on this issue.
I spoke with Gary on my last trip to NZ and he appologized for the mistake and said he straightened it out with Anton.
Is Anton getting some sort of kick out of messing with my record? Seems to be.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 28 Oct 2007, 03:46

Chauncy
Do me a favour & totally eliminate aggression & hate toward you & anyone else.
It simply doesn’t exist.
McCrystal did tell me (when I called him) NZNBF had decided to call it NC (without giving reason) after months of being adamant you lost.
On that basis and after discussing it with fellow editors in our region I changed it, locked it, and I’m not prepared to change it again.
FYI, Mike Attree, who is credited as NZ editor is now Brisbane, Queensland resident., and was the one that inserted the initial result & continued to change it to loss every time another editor (you know who) changed to win & eventually NC.
Cheers

Chauncy · Post by **Chauncy** » 29 Oct 2007, 16:02

AntonS wrote:Chauncy
Do me a favour & totally eliminate aggression & hate toward you & anyone else.
It simply doesn’t exist.
McCrystal did tell me (when I called him) NZNBF had decided to call it NC (without giving reason) after months of being adamant you lost.
On that basis and after discussing it with fellow editors in our region I changed it, locked it, and I’m not prepared to change it again.
FYI, Mike Attree, who is credited as NZ editor is now Brisbane, Queensland resident., and was the one that inserted the initial result & continued to change it to loss every time another editor (you know who) changed to win & eventually NC.
Cheers

SO even when the commissioner says it wasn't a loss, you make it one? I don't get it. So boxrec.com is trying to make there own sanctioning body? Don't quite get it!

Klee Gluckman · Post by **Klee Gluckman** » 30 Oct 2007, 04:07

No Chauncy that not what he is saying. I think even you know you lost that fight. Its been changed because of political rubbish. The fight it self was even and I enjoyed but you lost. The score cards were 58-56 against you as I recall. Thats how it was on the night that is how it must stay.

Chauncy · Post by **Chauncy** » 30 Oct 2007, 16:15

Klee Gluckman wrote:No Chauncy that not what he is saying. I think even you know you lost that fight. Its been changed because of political rubbish. The fight it self was even and I enjoyed but you lost. The score cards were 58-56 against you as I recall. Thats how it was on the night that is how it must stay.

The thing is though, that one judge had it 58-56 him. 59-56 me. then the 3rd on that night 58-56 him, but due to an error in addition, I was really the winner, and the judge said I was the winner, and admitted his mistake.

N2 Shape · Post by **N2 Shape** » 30 Oct 2007, 22:23

The simple fact that incompetent judges scored this fight and made simple adding errors which cost Chauncy the fight should be enough to make the bout a NC.

The fact that incompetent judges and perhaps some personal grudges should change a result as it has is a disgrace.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 31 Oct 2007, 03:31

This thread is heading to nowhere

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 01 Nov 2007, 04:45

AntonS wrote:This thread is heading to nowhere

There's a song in that.

Chauncy · Post by **Chauncy** » 01 Nov 2007, 18:16

While we're at it, lets change the results on Marco Antonio Barrera- Erik Morales 1, Bones Adams- Paulie Ayala 1? Maybe De La Hoya- Shane Mosley 2? I know the commission says that Morales, Ayala, and Mosley were the winners, but that's not what I think.

Actually, why not change the Holyfield- Ibragimov result? I didn't see it, but this one guy told me Holyfield he thought won!

Wait, this is exactly like Stevie Johnston- Jose Luis Castillo 2! After Johnston was announced the winner, they took a closer look at the cards, just like this, and seen there error, and changed it to a draw! WOW! The nerve! Don't they know, that Anton will just change it to a loss for Castillo? Who cares what the commission says? It's Antons World, and we're all just his little puppets, and he can ruin any fighters career if he don't like them!