World Championships - Schedules and Results - Oct 23-Nov 3

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:08

Andrade knotted at 2 after one.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:09

Andrade 2-2 with Jvania after one. Demetrius doesn't usually get much scored on him, so if he can get in the lead, I'll feel a little better.

Up 12-6 in the third now, looking good.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:14

emile wrote:Andrade 2-2 with Jvania after one. Demetrius doesn't usually get much scored on him, so if he can get in the lead, I'll feel a little better.

Up 12-6 in the third now, looking good.

This one's over...Andrade won't give up 12 points.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:21

Andrade wins 22-11. Tournament keeps going well for the US.

JohnDoe · Post by **JohnDoe** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:26

emile wrote:Looking into the details of today's US opponents does not fill me with confidence.

Well lucky for us that you are not coaching the U.S. team as all the U.S. guys have won so far. Can you be any more negative?

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:27

Go, USA! Went to lunch and missed all the "real time" excitement. Only one left today is Chris Downs.

Very glad to see McWilliam Arroyo won today and am pleased to see McJoe will be competing tomorrow morning; I didn't know if he'd be in Chicago, or not.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Oct 2007, 18:39

Emile, are you obsessing over the "contest sheets?"

The best thing to remember is that you, and me, aren't there to actually see what's going on and to try and visualize off the contest sheets isn't really fair to the boxers.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 25 Oct 2007, 19:23

Never seen Andrade box but he is Facing Sostaks from Latvia correct ? I have seen Sostaks spar in Latvia at my gym when I trained over there. Fast hand speed and tall. About 6'1. Should be interesting to see this match.

Kolya · Post by **Kolya** » 25 Oct 2007, 19:37

Roberts J wrote:Never seen Andrade box but he is Facing Sostaks from Latvia correct ? I have seen Sostaks spar in Latvia at my gym when I trained over there. Fast hand speed and tall. About 6'1. Should be interesting to see this match.

He's the same size as Andrade then and sounds to have some of the same athletic gifts. Could be an interesting bout, I don't think Demetrius sees guys his own size too often.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Oct 2007, 22:56

Downs beat Syllakh 27-25. Wow, great job - another great day for the team.

There are a lot better reasons why it's good that I'm not coaching the US team beyond that I'm not an in internet cheerleader JohnDoe, but thanks for your interest.

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 25 Oct 2007, 23:00

I hope USA does good. I'm sick of hearing people in Europe making fun of the USA system and claiming Russians are ubeatable.

emile · Post by **emile** » 25 Oct 2007, 23:03

Looks like it was a pretty wild fourth round after being close all the way. Both Downs and Sillakh got warnings, and Downs pulled out an 8-7 round to win by two.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 25 Oct 2007, 23:25

Well, I'll be damned! You CAN "J" a warning on the new system.

Sillakh vs. Downs - Round 4:

SRI judge gave both boxers the warning; ROU only gave Sillakh the W; Mexico and China gave both boxers the W and Tunisia only gave Sillakh the W. It looks to me, and I won't know until I see the system, that it only took the 3 judges W as far as scoring goes. Interesting.

3 judges had Downs winning; 1 had them tied and 1 had him losing. I guess that's a 3-1-1.

Roberts - the Russians aren't unbeatable - they're just pretty hard to beat.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 26 Oct 2007, 04:11

Kolya wrote:Well, expect if any American fighter wins big for people to cry about hometown judging. I was reading another fight and someone was surprised Raynell won, and big, and said "maybe with a bit of home judging?" Jeez, this bashing of American fighters and assuming that anytime they win is because of friendly judges is annoying. I hope team USA has a particularly impressive World Championships just to spite the haters.

As an aside, from people who can see it and what not; do you believe the scoring has been accurate; and aren't the officials from all over the world?

Hold on.
Everytime any amatuer tournament is held, there are always calls that the hosting nation get favourable scoring.
It is'nt some new concept, just brought up because of the competition being held in the "dreaded" United States!!!!

For what it's worth, I would also say the US will get some favourable scores in this competition, but for me that goes on everywhere, so it's not that much of an issue.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 26 Oct 2007, 09:09

exactly...ALWAYS a home country advantage in the world boxing championships!! we are about the only country that gets called for it though!!

I'm curious as to how you define "home country advantage," especially in the United States when we are not liked by most of the countries? Do you think the foreign judges are going to score for the U.S. to win just because the World's are in the U.S.? It might happen, hypothetically, if the 5 judges are from U.S.-friendly countries and I don't think that will be the case.

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Oct 2007, 09:30

I haven't seen any complaints about the judging reported in the press so far, so I don't think there is any need for any USA-martyring. Generally, people seem to be impressed with the efforts of the AIBA to fix their problems.

I expect the good showing by the US team has more to do with the comfort and motivation of fighting at home than anything else.

The big story at the moment is the disappearance of two Ugandans and an Armenian. I don't think you can defect from Uganda or Armenia, so Im not sure what they are thinking about.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 26 Oct 2007, 09:40

The big story at the moment is the disappearance of two Ugandans and an Armenian. I don't think you can defect from Uganda or Armenia, so Im not sure what they are thinking about.

I suppose you could call it defecting if they don't want to return to their countries at the end of the tournament. I'm sure life looks 300% better in the U.S. than in Uganda or Armenia.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 26 Oct 2007, 10:27

emile wrote:I don't think you can defect from Uganda or Armenia, so Im not sure what they are thinking about.

There are always defections from poor countries at major international championships. The thing is they only make headlines if they are cubans.

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Oct 2007, 10:34

Yeah, well, it's not really a defection, is it, if there's nothing political involved?

You'd think it might cause them problems getting their names in the paper if they want to become pro boxers. Everybody is going to know that they overstayed their tourist visas, but I suppose nobody will probably care much. It was also reported that the Ugandans stole all the money of one of their teammates, which is pretty low.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 26 Oct 2007, 11:19

You'd think it might cause them problems getting their names in the paper if they want to become pro boxers. Everybody is going to know that they overstayed their tourist visas, but I suppose nobody will probably care much.

If anyone is even interested in them - it won't matter one bit if they are legal or not if they can box.

It was also reported that the Ugandans stole all the money of one of their teammates, which is pretty low.

That certainly kills any sympathy I might have had.

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Oct 2007, 12:08

Two US fighters today. Russell should have an easy time (knock on wood) and Molina will have a tough fight with the Azerbaijani. Azerbaijan and China are flying a little under the radar, but have been getting good results.

I think there were two firsts yesterday - first true stoppage by Canada's Adam Trupish in a fight he was losing to Ronal Montes of Colombia. And first tied score, which was won on a very close 26-24 trackback by Julio Castillo of Ecuador over Anastasios of Greece.

I've also been following some of the youngest fighters, and there are some good results for non-US teenagers that might be great prospects. All of these fighters have one quality win.

Age 19
Olivet Obradovic (Austria) 75kg
Samir Mammadov (Azerbaijan) 51kg
Julio Castillo (Ecuador) 81kg
Jitender Kumar (India) 51kg
Mohammed Sattarpour (Iran) 69kg
Yousef Abed El Ghani (Israel) 91kg
Nurlan Aidarbek (Kyrgyzstan) 51kg
Valentins Morozovs (Latvia) 57kg
Vasilii Belous (Moldova) 64kg
Carlos Cuadras (Mexico) 54kg
Martin Parlagi (Slovakia) 51kg
Vasyl Lomachenko (Ukraine) 57kg

Age 18
Mai Maititusunquiong (China) 64kg
Carlos Gongora (Ecuador) 75kg
Khalid Said (England) 51kg
Onur Sipal (Turkey) 60kg

Age 17
Allaberdy Ishankuliyev (Turkmenistan) 54kg

Javier Molina and Keith Tapia, the New Yorker fighting for Puerto Rico, are by several months the youngest in the field (at least of those with provided birthdates).

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Oct 2007, 13:33

Russell with an easy one - 21-1 halfway through the second. Congrats to Gary, the first to move on the final 16.

Ali Hallab whitewashed Ishankuliyev 20-0 in two rounds, and he will fight Russell next for a spot in the Olympic Games. Should be a great fight.

Also, Bruno Julie of Mauritius just totally smashed a fighter from Uzbekistan. Go Mauritius.

emile · Post by **emile** » 26 Oct 2007, 16:33

Molina is brutalizing Maharramov. Things just keep getting better and better for the US team.

Final 27-10 Molina - he flirted with an RSCOS for a minute. I realize I'm pessimistic, but did anyone think the US team would do this well?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 26 Oct 2007, 16:34

Molina is smacking around Maharramov, might win by OS.

Molina wins 27-10...nice, nice win.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 26 Oct 2007, 17:00

Emile, about the only round Javi could have OS'd the AZE boxer was in the 3rd - and he was 6 points away from an OS - I guess that's a slight flirt.

Just how good is Maharramov? Is he highly ranked with good international credits????