World Championships - Schedules and Results - Oct 23-Nov 3
However, I don't equate Russell with Oscar or Floyd. They were in a world of their own.
Poyatsika is good. I've seen him on tape and live. I haven't seen the other two, but have read a lot about them. Poyatsika is about 6'2" or 6'3" I would say.Kolya wrote:I'm going for Poyatsika; from everything I've heard; he's a beast. If he fights Chakhiev, that'll be a very good fight; Chakhiev is a fighter from what I remember.
He might have to face Roberto C. I talked to Roberto at my gym and watched him spar as well. Really fast hands for a guy thast 225 but he does have the typical European Weaknesses.Dennis wrote:Hunter won in dominant fashion. I know he will have some tough bouts to make the final 4, but he is doing very well.
Roberts, what do you think are the typical European weaknesses?Roberts J wrote:He might have to face Roberto C. I talked to Roberto at my gym and watched him spar as well. Really fast hands for a guy thast 225 but he does have the typical European Weaknesses.Dennis wrote:Hunter won in dominant fashion. I know he will have some tough bouts to make the final 4, but he is doing very well.
I boxed in Europe, in Belarus etc and the way they fight is the same. I sparred with Italies Clemente Russo, all be it I hand sparred in month and a half cuz of my back it was good sparring. They are very stiff. Stand with straight back. Looping punches, Cammarrele is a south paw, I was amzaed how WIDE he loops his lead right hand and left. WIth good timing and head movement you can catch them. The problem is the hand speed is hard to get used to. But once you catch them its a different ball game. They wait for you to come in and then side-step you. Just gotta be patient and time there punches.
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He would'nt have to face him until the semi finals if they both make it that far(hopefully Roberto won't..come on PRICEY!!!Roberts J wrote:He might have to face Roberto C. I talked to Roberto at my gym and watched him spar as well. Really fast hands for a guy thast 225 but he does have the typical European Weaknesses.Dennis wrote:Hunter won in dominant fashion. I know he will have some tough bouts to make the final 4, but he is doing very well.
).If Hunter wins his next fight, according to the draw, he will come up against Timurziev.
Good win for the young lad last night.
Shame the 91+ draw is so lopsided.
There was lots of wrestling which is typical for Aisan boxers. I know it is also typical for Estrada. He had a point taken away from him I think in the 3rd. He was frustrated with the wrestling and started with the forearms to the face to push him off, the usual stuff. At least he didn't pick him up and body slam him. I don't know who he boxes next but he won't get far if he boxes the same. He needs to box the way he did against Daniel Jacobs in the trials.boxmel wrote:JMac - did Estrada revert to his wrestling tactics? Did his opponent pull him into his game? Unfortunately, Shawn's bouts are usually not pretty. Thanks for the post.
4th. :)There was lots of wrestling which is typical for Aisan boxers. I know it is also typical for Estrada. He had a point taken away from him I think in the 3rd.
Sigh. Typical Shawn. I really hope that the resident program has a sports psychologist available. He just doesn't know how to handle frustration,He was frustrated with the wrestling and started with the forearms to the face to push him off, the usual stuff.
That's encouraging.At least he didn't pick him up and body slam him.
Buga from Germany. Yes, he does have flashes of brilliance - few and far between. He looked good, for the most part, at the Trials.I don't know who he boxes next but he won't get far if he boxes the same. He needs to box the way he did against Daniel Jacobs in the trials.
Yes. American Styles are more fluid and relaxed.verballistic wrote:havent the euros pretty much always been stiff & str8up? i think western hemisphere fighters TEND to be more fluid, with more crouching and upper body movement!! havent watched much amateurs lately, but it tends to be that way in the pros!!Roberts J wrote:I boxed in Europe, in Belarus etc and the way they fight is the same. I sparred with Italies Clemente Russo, all be it I hand sparred in month and a half cuz of my back it was good sparring. They are very stiff. Stand with straight back. Looping punches, Cammarrele is a south paw, I was amzaed how WIDE he loops his lead right hand and left. WIth good timing and head movement you can catch them. The problem is the hand speed is hard to get used to. But once you catch them its a different ball game. They wait for you to come in and then side-step you. Just gotta be patient and time there punches.
Roberts - I know they are stiff, but you imply that most europeans have really good hand speed. I haven't notice the impressive hand speed. I do notice a lot of counter-punching and foot movement. I also have noticed more and more rough house tactics by the Europeans.Roberts J wrote:I boxed in Europe, in Belarus etc and the way they fight is the same. I sparred with Italies Clemente Russo, all be it I hand sparred in month and a half cuz of my back it was good sparring. They are very stiff. Stand with straight back. Looping punches, Cammarrele is a south paw, I was amzaed how WIDE he loops his lead right hand and left. WIth good timing and head movement you can catch them. The problem is the hand speed is hard to get used to. But once you catch them its a different ball game. They wait for you to come in and then side-step you. Just gotta be patient and time there punches.
Thanks to the AIBA stance of letting boxers hold past the flagrant stage. I noticed much more wrestling and holding in the 2004 Olympics and it keeps escalating. Can anyone in Chicago comment on lots of holding, or not?I also have noticed more and more rough house tactics by the Europeans.
Good go for Sadam Ali - he didn't get stopped or horrendously outpointed
I think it depends on the country. Russians, Kazaks etc have it drilled into there system as do some of the Italians etc. Counterpunching is key. They move in and back rarley side to side. When i boxed Clemente Russo I was amazed how easily I was able to jab him to the body. Practically at will. They train these drills to counter punch, and the foot work I learned sometimes was really complicated.Dennis wrote:Roberts - I know they are stiff, but you imply that most europeans have really good hand speed. I haven't notice the impressive hand speed. I do notice a lot of counter-punching and foot movement. I also have noticed more and more rough house tactics by the Europeans.Roberts J wrote:I boxed in Europe, in Belarus etc and the way they fight is the same. I sparred with Italies Clemente Russo, all be it I hand sparred in month and a half cuz of my back it was good sparring. They are very stiff. Stand with straight back. Looping punches, Cammarrele is a south paw, I was amzaed how WIDE he loops his lead right hand and left. WIth good timing and head movement you can catch them. The problem is the hand speed is hard to get used to. But once you catch them its a different ball game. They wait for you to come in and then side-step you. Just gotta be patient and time there punches.
Russia still has 11 in, but US and China have 9, and everyone else less. We're not doing too badly.While watching numbers flip off and on all day, I played with some stats.
Out of the 101 countries entered, 42 are out of the tournament and 59 remain in.
11 - Russia leads with boxers still in at 11 (are we surprised?);
9 - China
8 - U.S.
7 - Kazakhstan
6 - Azerbaijan, Belarus, Thailand, Ukraine
5 - Armenia, England, Ireland and France
4 - Colombia, , Hungary (once a powerhouse), Italy,
Japan, Turkey and Uzbekistan
3 - Australia, Canada, Georgia, Germany, India, Moldova,
Phillippines, Sweden, Tajikistan and Venezuela.
2 - Bulgaria, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Spain, Iran, Lithuania, Mexico,
Mongolia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Poland, Puerto Rico
(the Arroyo twins), Serbia, and Sri Lanka.
1 - Argentina, Brazil, Croatia, Egypt, Estonia, Greece, Jordan, Kyrgyzstan,
Korea, Morocco, Mauritius, Peru, Romania,and Scotland.
Out: Albania, Aruba, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bolivia, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Congo, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Dominica, El Salvador, Finland, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Israel, Virgin Islands, Jamaica, Latvia, Nicaragua, Niger, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, South Africa, Senegal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Swaziland, Turkmenistan, Chinese Taipei. Trinidad & Tobego, Uganda, Wales and Zambia.
I'm off one - and two tired to figure it out.
Out of the 101 countries entered, 42 are out of the tournament and 59 remain in.
11 - Russia leads with boxers still in at 11 (are we surprised?);
9 - China
8 - U.S.
7 - Kazakhstan
6 - Azerbaijan, Belarus, Thailand, Ukraine
5 - Armenia, England, Ireland and France
4 - Colombia, , Hungary (once a powerhouse), Italy,
Japan, Turkey and Uzbekistan
3 - Australia, Canada, Georgia, Germany, India, Moldova,
Phillippines, Sweden, Tajikistan and Venezuela.
2 - Bulgaria, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Spain, Iran, Lithuania, Mexico,
Mongolia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Poland, Puerto Rico
(the Arroyo twins), Serbia, and Sri Lanka.
1 - Argentina, Brazil, Croatia, Egypt, Estonia, Greece, Jordan, Kyrgyzstan,
Korea, Morocco, Mauritius, Peru, Romania,and Scotland.
Out: Albania, Aruba, Austria, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bolivia, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Congo, Costa Rica, Czech Republic, Dominica, El Salvador, Finland, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Israel, Virgin Islands, Jamaica, Latvia, Nicaragua, Niger, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, South Africa, Senegal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Swaziland, Turkmenistan, Chinese Taipei. Trinidad & Tobego, Uganda, Wales and Zambia.
I'm off one - and two tired to figure it out.
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