World Championships - Schedules and Results - Oct 23-Nov 3

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 30 Oct 2007, 22:59

USA is 19-5 so we aren't doing bad, but we need some guys to step up and perform flawlessly to get qualified and/or earn a medal. We now have 2 qualifed and 4 more that can still get qualified. I'm still hoping for at least 5 to get qualified and at least 3 medalists.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 30 Oct 2007, 23:05

Yanez gets winner of Phillipines & TJK; Raushee, Gary and Raynell all get Russia (are we surprised they have all 11 boxers going into the quarters?) Andrade gets Belarus and Hunter gets Iran. And Raynell has already beat France, Kaz and Armenia! It's getting interesting. 8)

Javier's coach was definitely not happy with the qualifying process this year. He says that Javi and Oscar both would have matured by next year, and he's probably right.

Dennis, we have three qualified: Yanez, Russell and Williams.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 30 Oct 2007, 23:19

boxmel wrote:Yanez gets winner of Phillipines & TJK; Raushee, Gary and Raynell all get Russia (are we surprised they have all 11 boxers going into the quarters?) Andrade gets Belarus and Hunter gets Iran. And Raynell has already beat France, Kaz and Armenia! It's getting interesting. 8)

Javier's coach was definitely not happy with the qualifying process this year. He says that Javi and Oscar both would have matured by next year, and he's probably right.

Dennis, we have three qualified: Yanez, Russell and Williams.

Yanez doesnt fight his Round of 16 til tomorrow afternoon

Dennis · Post by **Dennis** » 30 Oct 2007, 23:58

That's correct Mel - Yanez has one more to win before he is qualified. Halloween trick or treat?

emile · Post by **emile** » 31 Oct 2007, 00:41

I made it to Chicago to see most of today's action, and I'll be here for the next two days of competition as well. Today was pretty fun - Chicago is a good place to have this because there are so many Central and Eastern Europeans here. The Bulgarians were great, the loudest of anyone, but the Ukrainians were also out in voice, and there was even a good collection of Montenegrins. Unfortunately, the day ended on a bad note. The Jordanian heavyweight Al Matbouli had just lost a very close and competitive fight with the Chinese guy. The ref had stopped it in the fourth after China pulled ahead 25-20 and was landing some good shots. The Jordanian went back to his corner and then, a minute later, fell down like a tree cut by a chainsaw. I never saw him move as they put him on the stretcher and carried him out, so I sure hope he just fainted and is okay.

The most amazing moment of the day was when Elshod Rasulov got JACKED UP. After a slow start the Uzbek was moving nicely and working up a professional two touchdown lead on Argenis Nunez from the Dominican, when Nunez landed a shot, chased in and obliterated Rasulov with a (I think) big right hand, knocking him down hard. Rasulov tried to get up but he had no legs. Nunez can be outboxed, but he has some thunder in his gloves and will likely be a good pro at Middleweight.

Most people were not watching it when it happened though because the way they have the rings set up is such that most people are naturally watching ring A. The event is very well organized and ran perfectly - the only complaint was a huge reserved section in the middle of the arena that forced most everyone else to be on the ring A side. It wasn't a big problem in the evening session, because the place was pretty full - but in the afternoon it was sparse and it was silly to have everyone cramped up together with all of these unfilled seats in the middle.

The best fight of the day was Usmanee-Kilic. The Canadian was way behind and made another amazing rally. I recall him being down 19-11 and he started landing shot after shot - big hits too, not little jabs. 19-12..13..14..15..eventually he gets it 19-18 and the crowd is roaring for him - and then exchanges with under ten seconds left and it goes to 19-19 for just a second, then 20-19 for the Turk, who then grabbed on and held for the final seconds. The crowd booed lustily.

Okay, the Americans. I arrived at the Arena just as Russell was starting in on round 2. From what I saw he fought the whole fight in reverse. Classic amateur style to get a lead and the avoid getting hit. His defensive skills were impressive, although people I spoke too said he had looked much better in earlier bouts. Hallab was aggressive and had a solid, tight style, but Gary was just too slippery for him.

Raynell won easily, but it wasn't a physically imposing performance. More like a Cuban pot shot and move performance. He certainly seems made for the amateur game.

Molina and Estrada were pretty bad. Molina and Saunders did not wan't to punch for most of the fight - I think both were hoping to counter and neither wanted to lead. There wasn't much between them, but Javier just wouldn't let his hands go and fell farther and farther behind. He finally got after it in the fourth, getting a standing eight, but he never really challenged it.

Estrada-Buga was one of the poorest fights of the whole day. The crowd booed the trackback decison, but I thought Buga was the better fighter and was unlucky for it to be tied at the end. Estrada seems to have a problem with distance (not to sound too much like Teddy, who was there along with Holyfield) - when he leads with his punches he ends up too close and gets tied up every single damn time. Buga had been more aggressive at the start, but the last rounds were nothing but holding. When Blanco and Sutherland followed it reminded me what boxing is supposed to look like (and Blanco is very, very good).

The Poyatsika-Elizade fight was interesting. Elizade is a lefty with a very low guard, but he was absolutely picking apart Poyatsika with left counters at will through the first three rounds. Then, Poyatsika dropped him in the fourth and Elizade looked out of it with his hands at his waist, but he was able to hold on. It will be interesting to see him against Chakhiev, who has a classic high guard and fast hands, but is perhaps a bit small (although he easily dismantled his Irish opponent).

I thought maybe the best fought match of the day was Boris Georgiev's win over the young Chinese fighter Mai. They really went at it, and Georgiev pulled out a high scoring 29-27 win that came down to the end. China was impressive all day - they are really becoming a force. The Chinese fighter who beat Carlos Zambrano (Broncano!) was not one of their best - a small, darting guy who let Zambrano chase him. I can comfortably say that the Peruvians were seriously pissed at the decision.

The Russians were pretty methodical and ruthless. They really don't do anything that catches your eye - they just roll up points with efficient technique. Other fighters that I thought looked good were Lomachenko of the Ukraine and M'Bumba of France. Babacar Kamara of Sweden became the crowd favorite in his close fight and there was more booing for that result than any other.

So, I think Russell fights Vodopyanov next, but I didn't arrive in time to see him. Raynell fights Selimov, who dispatched Sultanov so easily that I can't even really remember that much about him.

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » 31 Oct 2007, 09:03

emile if you're going today can you naraate the bout between warren vs philippine, thanks

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Oct 2007, 09:15

That's correct Mel - Yanez has one more to win before he is qualified. Halloween trick or treat?

Sigh. I looked at that bracket three times and still didn't read it right!!! Getting old sucks.

emile · Post by **emile** » 31 Oct 2007, 10:13

Reports this morning are that Al Matbouli is okay - he collapsed from fatigue and is expected to leave the hospital today. That's great news.

I'll take notes today so I can be a little more specific, and I won't be late so I'll see all the fights. If anyone wants info on a specific fighter from yesterday or today, let me know and I'll come back on late tonight again.

Yanez, Warren, Andrade, Hunter today. I think it will be a better day for the US than yesterday, but we'll see.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 10:55

Great report Emile. I'm glad the latin americans are doing well. Except for Cuba there have been very few medals for latin american countries lately at the Worlds and Olympics.
I'd like to know about the following fighters today: Alexey Tischenko (60), in my opinion the No1 P4P amateur fighter in the world after the defection of Rigondeaux.
McWilliam Arroyo (51), hard punching little fighter. His twin brother has already qualified.
Diego Chaves (69), only argentinie boxer left. Somewhat small, but explosive fighter.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Oct 2007, 11:50

I, too, would appreciate reports on the Arroyo twins. They are great kids and are finally coming into their own.

mike222 · Post by **mike222** » 31 Oct 2007, 12:16

Emile,I would be interested on your views on the exceptional juniors or seniors just out of that category EG Vodopyanov,Mammadov,Yanez,Williams,Andrade and Lomachenko who have all been thought of as a little bit special and whether Korobov or Tischenko can be beaten at these championships

Hugo · Post by **Hugo** » 31 Oct 2007, 12:31

Is anybody taping any of the bouts, if so maybe you can post in you tube, I'm sure everyone will appreciate that, Thanks

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 12:49

Yeah, I've read Lomachenko is supposed to be something special.

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 31 Oct 2007, 15:30

emile wrote:I made it to Chicago to see most of today's action, and I'll be here for the next two days of competition as well.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 31 Oct 2007, 15:47

If Hunter defeats Delavari today.. is there any chance he can upset Timurziev to qualify for the games??

Roberts J · Post by **Roberts J** » 31 Oct 2007, 16:08

I'm not sure how he will do wit the Russian. It will be his real test. I am getting ready to go right now watch some of the bouts. I am gald you liek chicago Emile, nice city

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 31 Oct 2007, 16:17

jtyson wrote:If Hunter defeats Delavari today.. is there any chance he can upset Timurziev to qualify for the games??

The big guys are only one punch away from an upset victory

Will be a tough test for the young man, but fighting guys like Timurziev can only make you a better fighter in the long run.

jtyson · Post by **jtyson** » 31 Oct 2007, 16:46

Warren just beat the Phillipino 25-11.. He is now qualified for the Olympics

Also 2 quick questions...

1. Why isnt Helenius fighting?

2. Why do the Heavys n Super Heavys have to make it to the Semi's to make the Olympics, and why at the Olympics are the Heavys n Super Heavys brackets smaller??

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 16:55

My answer to question Nº2 is that there are fewer quality fighters in those divisions and there would be too many knockouts. It happened before when there were no olympic qualifiers, some smaller nations sent inexperienced boxers who got bombed out by the cubans, russians and americans.
As there are only 16 boxers at those weights only four qualify at the Worlds, that's logical.

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Oct 2007, 16:58

2. Why do the Heavys n Super Heavys have to make it to the Semi's to make the Olympics, and why at the Olympics are the Heavys n Super Heavys brackets smaller??

Because AIBA has a delegation number that is dictated by the IOC. I.e. they can only have a certain number of boxers.

Is anyone else having problems with the AIBA page? I can't get it to open.

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 31 Oct 2007, 19:08

Venezuelan bantam H manzanilla clinched a spot on the Venezuelan OLY team by his 34'21 win over Tretak.

Any opinion on his abilities welcome

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 19:17

Mel, I can't open the AIBA page :x . Anyone knows the results? I know Yanes, Warren, Tischenko won.

Manzanilla is a tall guy with good boxing skills and some punch. He missed the Panams by being 100 grams overweight, otherwise he would've been favored for gold in the abscence of Rigondeaux.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 19:20

Now I can see it! Arroyo won, great!

boxmel · Post by **boxmel** » 31 Oct 2007, 19:26

My answer to question Nº2 is that there are fewer quality fighters in those divisions and there would be too many knockouts. It happened before when there were no olympic qualifiers, some smaller nations sent inexperienced boxers who got bombed out by the cubans, russians and americans.

I didn't see this before I posted my reply. Again, it is because the IOC determines the number of entrants in every Olympic sport. As you may remember, several sports numbers were cut a few years ago - wrestling, along with boxing, and some others. That's when the boxing weight classes were lowered to 11.

locoxelbox · Post by **locoxelbox** » 31 Oct 2007, 19:35

Yes, I know Mel. But I think his question is why there are fewer in the two heaviest divisons than in the others. Eg why are there 28 berths at the small weights and only 16 at 91-+91?
Anyway the reduction of entries in the super heavyweight divison isn't only because of the quota from the IOC. Already at the 1984 and 1988 Olympics there was a reduced number at the weight and there were qualifying tournaments to limit the entries of "punching bags".

World Championships - Schedules and Results - Oct 23-Nov 3

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