World Championships - Schedules and Results - Oct 23-Nov 3
Woohoo, Blanco beats Artayev. Okay, I have to give myself props for picking that one right. Yesterday a small group of Venezuelans showed up to cheer for him, and he looked so happy when he won. A great win for South America, but someone has to explain to me how Blanco went from losing in the quarterfinals of the Pan Am Games to Gongora 20-6, to now fighting for World gold. Either it shows how much the scoring can change fight to fight, or it says something good about Gongora, who lost to Korobov in this tournament and to Correa in the Pan Ams. Probably both, but I can say that Blanco is good.
Mel, the fight between Rau'Shee and Jongjohor will be decided probably in the first round. If Warren falls behind 4-1, he's done. Jongjohor's opponents have scored 9,8,3,and 2 points on him so far. Jongjohor will be waiting for Warren to come in, so Rau'Shee might just have to wait outside and slow the fight down to a crawl and hope to land a few combos latewhen he has a chance to get in without taking a jab.
Mel, the fight between Rau'Shee and Jongjohor will be decided probably in the first round. If Warren falls behind 4-1, he's done. Jongjohor's opponents have scored 9,8,3,and 2 points on him so far. Jongjohor will be waiting for Warren to come in, so Rau'Shee might just have to wait outside and slow the fight down to a crawl and hope to land a few combos latewhen he has a chance to get in without taking a jab.
Thanks, Emile. Actually, with computer scoring, most bouts are probably decided in the first round. If you get behind it's almost impossible to catch up, let alone win. Anytime I talk to boxers I tell them they must throw punches from the minute the bell rings. Some listen and some don't.Mel, the fight between Rau'Shee and Jongjohor will be decided probably in the first round.
Again, many thanks for your commentary and insight for us "blind" fans.
The problem with Rau'Shee going on the attack in the first round is that Jongjohor can pick him off with jabs coming in, and take the lead that way. I think Rau'Shee is going to have be very, very careful, and time his way in and then throw a lot of punches once he's inside. He may need to wait until the second or third round to start moving in. This is Jongjohor's last go at things, as he'll be 33 at the Olympics, and won the World Championships at this same weight way back in 2003.
I didn't pick one fight for tonight, so after some thought I'll take Cammallere over Timurziev, based on Hunter exposing Islam's plodding feet and openness to quick jabs. Also, I picked Hanati over Andrade, which is my worst pick. Demetrius looks like the best at the weight, but he appeared a bit tired after two physical fights, and is having some problem with a cut eye he picked up against Nurutdinov.
I didn't pick one fight for tonight, so after some thought I'll take Cammallere over Timurziev, based on Hunter exposing Islam's plodding feet and openness to quick jabs. Also, I picked Hanati over Andrade, which is my worst pick. Demetrius looks like the best at the weight, but he appeared a bit tired after two physical fights, and is having some problem with a cut eye he picked up against Nurutdinov.
Amy - with the computer keeping the scoring, every time a judge pushes a button a raw point is registered. If a boxer isn't throwing any punches that a judge can see, no points are noted. You can't fudge and add a point later on like you could with the clickers. The computer is very unforgiving in that aspect. The sooner you start throwing punches, the sooner the judges can start pushing the buttons. If you play a waiting game, look to only counter punch, or just throwing a couple of jabs and combinations and then wait, there aren't any points registering for you. And if your opponent is being busier, as you are waiting for whatever, he'll have more points than you from the beginning. You have to remember that 3 out of the 5 judges must push the button for the same boxer within a one-second window for it to register as "accepted." It is very rare that any boxer who is behind in round 1 and/or 2 will be able to throw enough punches in the third and fourth rounds to catch up with the opponent, or win.
Hope I haven't confused you more. Keep picking at me if you need more info.
Hope I haven't confused you more. Keep picking at me if you need more info.
Thanks Emile I just read an interview and Arroyo said it was a close fight, but that falling behind 15-5 in the last round was to much. He seemed to be happy with his performance and hope to see him in China.emile wrote:I thought it was a reasonable decision. I don't recall any fight in three days that seemed really out of line, although the first round and the first half of the second are so important to the outcome, a punch landed here or there and not counted can make a huge difference. There was very little between Mammadov and Arroyo, and another fight might lead to another result. As I said above, Mammadov was very good at moving laterally and suddenly stopping and throwing. When Arroyo got him to hold still and exchange, Arroyo was better. If McWilliams had taken the lead in the second, I think he would have won. Mammadov was the only Azeri to make it to the semis, and according to the posters who know here, he is a known top prospect.PRKO wrote:Hey Emile great post, on McWilliam's fight was the scoring fair, this kid has great talent, he has beaten the cuban's twice in a row the first one being Olimpic Gold Medalist Yan Barthelemy. I thougt he would have gone to the medal rounds. I've always seemed to think that there has always been favortism towards european fighters or is it just that they are better fighters in the amateur system.
The Europeans did not do all that well at the small weights - it is actually the East Asians who are really good at working the system. As I mentioned throughout, they are almost all (except for a few Chinese) really, really tall and lanky and effectively use their arms to stay away or keep the fight tied up. Tanamor over Yanez was exemplary - I don't know if Luis has short arms or has problems with southpaws, but he could not figure out how to get inside and once he was behind he was sunk. Very bad, because he had probably the easiest draw of any of the Americans.
I do think that one positive from the tournament is that I now think Raynell can medal in Beijing if he gets the right draw. Selimov was a nightmare matchup for him, but with some more experience I think he could be a bronze medal hopeful (remembering Selimov also dismantled the Olympic vet Sultanov by roughly the same score in the previous round).
I hope Arroyo and Warren don't get matched up in China I would like to see both in the finals.
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Wow. That's a upset. This Russian was Euro Champ, World and Olympic. I tell you, Russians are good, but as good as some make them out to be. Dennis I agree, about Roberto and Timruzev. Didi you see there bouth of You Tube ? Timiruzev lost to Solis who is pro now. I think this time around there bout will be much closer. And Russo and the Russian should be a good one. Russo is small but has good side step ability and speed.Dennis wrote:I'm very impressed with the English boxer Gavin defeating the Russian boxer, Tishchenko, a gold medalist in Athens. Wow. And Gavin won clearly according to the score.
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What is the deal with all the w/o in the semi-finals. This is the World Championships after all. It is not just some continental qualifier that getting qualified is all that matters. Here it is about winning the World Championships.Roberts J wrote:Any one know why the Lithuanian WO against the Russian ? Injury ?
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I first saw Blanco at the 2006 South American Games where he impressed me a lot, he looked just like a cuban. There he beat Carlos Gongora 15-4 so I was very surprised when Gongora beat him at the Panams. Actually I had picked Blanco to win gold at the Panams here in the forum. Anyway Gongora is also a good boxer and only 19 and improving.emile wrote:Someone has to explain to me how Blanco went from losing in the quarterfinals of the Pan Am Games to Gongora 20-6, to now fighting for World gold. Either it shows how much the scoring can change fight to fight, or it says something good about Gongora, who lost to Korobov in this tournament and to Correa in the Pan Ams. Probably both, but I can say that Blanco is good.
Boxing was forbidden in China into the eighites I believe. They have a large population and with the upcoming Olympic Games they have made huge investments. Their boxers have travelled all over the world including Cuba and Europe to prepare for the Olympics. They also hosted the 2005 Worlds so they will make a good appearance in Beijing next year.lap wrote:What has gotten into the Chinese? Were they always this good, or are they having a surge which will certainlt lead to talk about performan enhancers?
After having extreme difficulties to qualify boxers for the Olympics, only one boxer in each of the last three editions, the british have invested a lot of money and have worked very well with the cadet and junior categories and this is paying well now, already four qualified and they'll be favored to win a couple of medals in Beijing now.- The English are doing especially well, aren't they?
All latin American countries went with the best they had at the Panams. Those games are very important in these countries. Most of the boxers here also fought there, with some exceptions like: Hector Manzanilla (VEN) didn't make the weight at the Panams. Had he made it he probably would've won gold. McJoe Arroyo (PUR) had lost in the Puerto Rican Nationals and missed the trials but later beat his replacement and went to the worlds where he won a medal for PUR after 16 years!JMac wrote:After looking at how well the Latin American countries are doing here, I think several of them did like the USA and did not have all of their top guys in the Pan Am's because I thought most the boxers besides Cuba, US, a few Puerto Ricans and Dominicans looked week.
The cubans probably would've made one of their worst appearances at the Worlds having lost five of their six best boxers in one year.boxmel wrote:Any one care to speculate on the state of the Worlds if the Cubans had been here???
Yordenis Ugas would've had a good chance for gold. He was impressive at the Panams and seeing that Tischenko is beatable Ugas might've pulled it out.
The others are all strong medal candidates but no real gold medal favorites. Emilio Correa would have a hard time against Korobov whom he took a beating against at the World Cup. Robert Alfonso maybe could outbox Timurziev, I don't know if he's strong enough.
Idel Torriente looked good in the Panams, maybe he could beat Selimov. If Yudel Jhonson would be picked maybe he could have won, we'll never know.
Yeah, I would like to know what happened to the Russian too. I think the rules say that there should be a re-draw, but I don't recall ever seeing it happen.locoxelbox wrote:Timurziev didn't show up... what happened? Shouldn't they have redrawn the fights? Cammarelle got two WO victories. He should've had to fight agaisnt one of the other semi-finalists, right?
I think it is a little like the US Championships. Once guys qualified for the trials, they started bowing out, saving it for the big show. Maybe with some minor injuries, they have already quailified for the Olympics, they don't care that this is the world championships and are saving it for Beijing.Dennis wrote:What is the deal with all the w/o in the semi-finals. This is the World Championships after all. It is not just some continental qualifier that getting qualified is all that matters. Here it is about winning the World Championships.Roberts J wrote:Any one know why the Lithuanian WO against the Russian ? Injury ?
Dennis, I perused the AIBA rule book. There is no rule regarding redraws. All it says it that each boxer must have boxed at least once in a tournament. Redraws in the U.S. normally and usually happen in the beginning, if there is a problem. Never in a semi.Yeah, I would like to know what happened to the Russian too. I think the rules say that there should be a re-draw, but I don't recall ever seeing it happen.
Saw the Panams fight. I guess I should mention that I tought Gongara was amazing in that fight.locoxelbox wrote:I first saw Blanco at the 2006 South American Games where he impressed me a lot, he looked just like a cuban. There he beat Carlos Gongora 15-4 so I was very surprised when Gongora beat him at the Panams. Actually I had picked Blanco to win gold at the Panams here in the forum. Anyway Gongora is also a good boxer and only 19 and improving.emile wrote:Someone has to explain to me how Blanco went from losing in the quarterfinals of the Pan Am Games to Gongora 20-6, to now fighting for World gold. Either it shows how much the scoring can change fight to fight, or it says something good about Gongora, who lost to Korobov in this tournament and to Correa in the Pan Ams. Probably both, but I can say that Blanco is good.