Calzaghe V Kessler: Ongoing Thread Throughout The Night

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:48

KO Artist wrote:Joe's bird is fcucking awesome

Yeah I definitely would.

If Joe wasn't on the scene of course!!

Night night everyone.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:50

Well after a performance like that, I think we all know what Frank's next move will be..................................

A REMATCH WITH TOCKER PUDWELL.

Goodnight gents

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:53

Next move - Light Heavyweight contest against Woods or Dawson.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 03 Nov 2007, 22:56

did anyone think the ref was picky in rd 8.

he gutted kessler up with body shots and looked to be hurting kessler a bit and then the ref jumped in warned him for the back of the head shots. :x

Grilling Machine · Post by **Grilling Machine** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:05

Kessler loses the fight but gains enormous respect. Classiest loser I've seen in years. Shades of Floyd Patterson. I wish him well.

I had the fight 116-112 to Calzaghe. More than ever tonight, Joe looked every inch the offspring of La Motta. Hard, hard boxer, with a good few dirty moves (feel free to call it being crafty). Of course, the holding, swivelling and hitting is allowed, but it still leaves a trace of the pub fighter in my mind. I prefer to see guys working out of clinches with lateral movement and great angles. Hopefully Mosley can rediscover some old form next week.

For JC, it's surely the time to retire. Those he can beat, he'd beat too convincingly to gain credit for. I'd pick him as firm favourite over everyone except, possibly, Dawson.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:14

Calzaghe should fight Hopkins (to silence those that still would make Hopkins fav, plus Hopkins is still a big name) over in the Yankee stadium before coming back to Millenium Stadium for his retirement fight against someone like Woods or Froch, although I can't see that happening to be honest after all that crap they've both spewed over the years.
Calzaghe Pavlik would be awesome too. It was nice to see Calzaghe give Eubank full credit for that fight all those years ago. What a night!

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:28

I'm a bit disappointed in Kessler, he just didn't follow up at all and wasn't as busy overall as he should have been...Calzaghe might deserve the credit for that, but I really believe Kessler had the material to beat Calzaghe and he will now never get another chance to prove it.

I like Calzaghe and this board will show evidence of that going back 3 -4 years calling for a Calzaghe vs. Hopkins bout, but now I could care less, as I've always thought Hopkins to be a 'bit' overated and Joe also almost finished...

I'm a purist I guess, and in all honesty I'd rather see Calzaghe prove he's the best in Britain (still), and fight Carl Froch or Clinton Woods at L-HW, but Hopkins or Jones - too late and Taylor or Wright, well Taylor as far as I'm concerned would be "the only proof fight against an American opponent!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:34

jimglen wrote:I'm a bit disappointed in Kessler, he just didn't follow up at all and wasn't as busy overall as he should have been...Calzaghe might deserve the credit for that, but I really believe Kessler had the material to beat Calzaghe and he will now never get another chance to prove it.

I like Calzaghe and this board will show evidence of that going back 3 -4 years calling for a Calzaghe vs. Hopkins bout, but now I could care less, as I've always thought Hopkins to be a 'bit' overated and Joe also almost finished...

I'm a purist I guess, and in all honesty I'd rather see Calzaghe prove he's the best in Britain (still), and fight Carl Froch or Clinton Woods at L-HW, but Hopkins or Jones - too late and Taylor or Wright, well Taylor as far as I'm concerned would be "the only proof fight against an American opponent!

I also want Froch & Woods. I'd hate it if he fought Sam Soliman, Alejandro Berrio, Allan Green, Fully Zuniga or anyone like that (nonetheless decent fighters).

Joe is a genuine British superstar. If he can draw 50,000 and fight like that...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 03 Nov 2007, 23:55

Calzaghe absolutely neutered Kessler, apart from one or two big shots landed, he was in control all the way through, an absolute boxing masterclass, which showed exactly how skillful Calzaghe really is. Calzaghe is the mustard, plain and simple, priviledged to watch the fight and see a maestro in action.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:02

As far as having anything to prove goes, Joe needn't bother, he should retire. However, if he is looking for one last huge pay day, fair play to the bloke, go fight Hopkins in the States or something.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:12

Steve Bunce said the first 6 rounds were the best rounds of boxing he had ever seen!

This is from a man who jumped on the Audley Harrison bandwagon for the BBC

He is worse than McGuigan for being his paymasters puppet

I thought the scores were about right, JC adapted well and outboxed Kessler, his jab was brilliant, his speed and stamina are still fantastic.

Kessler will come back a better fighter, he will have learnt more from this defeat than all his other fights put together.

JC is a crafty bugger and used his experience well and 'old manned' him out of it.

I think the Dane was right when he said Joe was good at stopping him doing what he wanted to do so he couldn't fight his fight.

Kessler showed a lot of class in the post fight interview and he also proved himself a better fighter than I gave him credit for.

With more experience at top level, I think he will definately become world champion again.

For Joe though, this is a night to savour

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:14

Thanks for the updates

I am in Mexico and "watched" the fight thanks to you lot and really drank tequila and watched "Brazil's Next Top Model" on Mexican TV

Dirty job but............. etc etc

Slapsie

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:27

Coco wrote:Steve Bunce said the first 6 rounds were the best rounds of boxing he had ever seen!

This is from a man who jumped on the Audley Harrison bandwagon for the BBC

He is worse than McGuigan for being his paymasters puppet

I thought the scores were about right, JC adapted well and outboxed Kessler, his jab was brilliant, his speed and stamina are still fantastic.

Kessler will come back a better fighter, he will have learnt more from this defeat than all his other fights put together.

JC is a crafty bugger and used his experience well and 'old manned' him out of it.

I think the Dane was right when he said Joe was good at stopping him doing what he wanted to do so he couldn't fight his fight.

Kessler showed a lot of class in the post fight interview and he also proved himself a better fighter than I gave him credit for.

With more experience at top level, I think he will definately become world champion again.

For Joe though, this is a night to savour

Bunce also said after six rounds he had Kessler ahead! WTF! How! After six, I gave Kessler 1 round, the second was close, but Calzaghe was running the show. I thought the commentary was awful, they were hyping up everything Kessler threw, even if it didn't land. Rawling needs to contain himself, he spouts some nonsense sometimes by looking for somthing exciting to happen. Joe was blocking and parrying most of Kessler's shots except for a couple of round where he got caught.

Joe controlled the figtht from beginning to end and showed an understanding of boxing that I've seldom seen before, he is a true great, I don't give a fekk what anyone says, the man is an absolute boxing genius, and Kessler knows it too.

Coco · Post by **Coco** » 04 Nov 2007, 00:35

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Coco wrote:Steve Bunce said the first 6 rounds were the best rounds of boxing he had ever seen!

This is from a man who jumped on the Audley Harrison bandwagon for the BBC

He is worse than McGuigan for being his paymasters puppet

I thought the scores were about right, JC adapted well and outboxed Kessler, his jab was brilliant, his speed and stamina are still fantastic.

Kessler will come back a better fighter, he will have learnt more from this defeat than all his other fights put together.

JC is a crafty bugger and used his experience well and 'old manned' him out of it.

I think the Dane was right when he said Joe was good at stopping him doing what he wanted to do so he couldn't fight his fight.

Kessler showed a lot of class in the post fight interview and he also proved himself a better fighter than I gave him credit for.

With more experience at top level, I think he will definately become world champion again.

For Joe though, this is a night to savour
Bunce also said after six rounds he had Kessler ahead! WTF! How! After six, I gave Kessler 1 round, the second was close, but Calzaghe was running the show. I thought the commentary was awful, they were hyping up everything Kessler threw, even if it didn't land. Rawling needs to contain himself, he spouts some nonsense sometimes by looking for somthing exciting to happen. Joe was blocking and parrying most of Kessler's shots except for a couple of round where he got caught.

Joe controlled the figtht from beginning to end and showed an understanding of boxing that I've seldom seen before, he is a true great, I don't give a fekk what anyone says, the man is an absolute boxing genius, and Kessler knows it too.

The Dane did stun JC with single shots in round 4 but he covered up and the follow up did not land clearly, being deflected by the gloves.

The commentary team were saying he was on the verge of being knocked out!

Saying that it did lead to a change of tactics where Joe was less reckless and concentrated on the boxing which won him the fight.

Joe was characteristicly unmarked at the end of the bout and the Dane willingly accepted that he was clearly beaten

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 04 Nov 2007, 02:09

I thought the commentary was frankly awful. They were wetting themselves whenever Kessler threw a shot, and saying 'great right hand' when Joe blocked it.

Kessler maybe landed 10 flush shots the whole night, but Rawling and Co were acting Like Joe was reeling round the ring like a drunk on the verge of being spasticated.

SticknMove · Post by **SticknMove** » 04 Nov 2007, 02:35

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I thought the commentary was frankly awful. They were wetting themselves whenever Kessler threw a shot, and saying 'great right hand' when Joe blocked it.

Kessler maybe landed 10 flush shots the whole night, but Rawling and Co were acting Like Joe was reeling round the ring like a drunk on the verge of being spasticated.

Frankly James I think you have had enough Frankness to be Frank. I thought the way they scored it was in line myself. They didn't keep a definitive scorecard in running but how they assessed the rounds seemed fair enough to me.

glahn · Post by **glahn** » 04 Nov 2007, 06:00

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I thought the commentary was frankly awful. They were wetting themselves whenever Kessler threw a shot, and saying 'great right hand' when Joe blocked it.

Kessler maybe landed 10 flush shots the whole night, but Rawling and Co were acting Like Joe was reeling round the ring like a drunk on the verge of being spasticated.

Was that Rawling? He always does that and it does my head in. Rawling and McKenzie are terrible at calling fights, in my experience. Watt and Darke are absolutely leagues above them. They constantly make a huge deal out of anything their least favoured fighter (and they always have one) does, and then try to ignore it when the other guy does something good. It's really annoying.

dragons · Post by **dragons** » 04 Nov 2007, 06:29

KO Artist wrote:
steve689 wrote:
Goz wrote:They fed him the injured hand excuse on a plate and he rejected it.

"No my hand was fine".

Top man. Refreshing.
I thought the same, they offered him a chance to come clean (i honestly believe the hand was hurt pre-fight) and he said no excuses it was fine.
Joe is our greatest, certainly of modern times. He has done it all and should retire.

Kessler is a class act, both in and out of the ring.

Think he should have one more big fight over in the US and
then retire myself.
Agree with you though, joe's a modern great he's done british boxing proud over the years and is a true legend.

Mario · Post by **Mario** » 04 Nov 2007, 07:07

I didnt realise it was Rawling either. Did anyone else notice the constant mistakes he was making? He called Kessler Dutch, kept calling knockdowns knockOUTS and said Calzaghe's career spanned from 1993 to 1997! Guess he just got a bit caught up in all the excitement!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 04 Nov 2007, 07:48

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Coco wrote:Steve Bunce said the first 6 rounds were the best rounds of boxing he had ever seen!

This is from a man who jumped on the Audley Harrison bandwagon for the BBC

He is worse than McGuigan for being his paymasters puppet

I thought the scores were about right, JC adapted well and outboxed Kessler, his jab was brilliant, his speed and stamina are still fantastic.

Kessler will come back a better fighter, he will have learnt more from this defeat than all his other fights put together.

JC is a crafty bugger and used his experience well and 'old manned' him out of it.

I think the Dane was right when he said Joe was good at stopping him doing what he wanted to do so he couldn't fight his fight.

Kessler showed a lot of class in the post fight interview and he also proved himself a better fighter than I gave him credit for.

With more experience at top level, I think he will definately become world champion again.

For Joe though, this is a night to savour
Bunce also said after six rounds he had Kessler ahead! WTF! How! After six, I gave Kessler 1 round, the second was close, but Calzaghe was running the show. I thought the commentary was awful, they were hyping up everything Kessler threw, even if it didn't land. Rawling needs to contain himself, he spouts some nonsense sometimes by looking for somthing exciting to happen. Joe was blocking and parrying most of Kessler's shots except for a couple of round where he got caught.

Joe controlled the figtht from beginning to end and showed an understanding of boxing that I've seldom seen before, he is a true great, I don't give a fekk what anyone says, the man is an absolute boxing genius, and Kessler knows it too.

Kessler did do cleaner work over the 1st half, which became more apparent to me on 2nd viewing, especially when he half blocked Joe's shots (which aren't always the most accurate) and landed hard single blows. I had it 8-4 Joe and now have it 7-5, like some others on here. It was after that bad 4th that Joe really took over, but he can't have been behind after 6

I'll correct myself: I have Kessler 1 up after 6, preferring his cleaner punches over Joe's workrate, All joe from 7-11 though.

DG. · Post by **DG.** » 04 Nov 2007, 07:53

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I thought the commentary was frankly awful. They were wetting themselves whenever Kessler threw a shot, and saying 'great right hand' when Joe blocked it.

Kessler maybe landed 10 flush shots the whole night, but Rawling and Co were acting Like Joe was reeling round the ring like a drunk on the verge of being spasticated.

Jut got me thinking. the way Rawlings hypes up anything thrown, n wonder the radio 5 live fights were exciting!

He most likely screamed 'great right hand' when the shot was blocked!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Nov 2007, 08:34

Really enjoyed the fight, Kessler gained a lot in defeat for me. He showed great heart in the last round - all too often in modern times boxers have been happy to avoid being KO'd in the final round instead of going allout to try and turn it around. That impressed me.

I had it even after 6 with Calzaghe winning it down the stretch. Some great right hands by Kessler though he timed some of those beutifully. Calzaghe showed tremendous stamina, wasn't sure if he could keep that up at his age. I think 2 more fights and retire should be the plan, Calzaghe relies on speed and fitness so much as soon as he starts to age he is fucked - and it will happen if he continues too long so let's hope he gets out at the right time and doesn't do another Roy Jones - I don't think he will.

Kessler beats anyone else at 168 and that includes Froch. Froch is good but not on the level we saw last night.

As for Calzaghe v Hopkins, if last night showed us anything it's that that fight would be horrendous. Calzaghe has a tendency to fall inside and spoil and rough up close, as does Hopkins. It would be a hell of a maul. Good for Calzaghe's standing if he wins but it will be a hideous spectacle.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Nov 2007, 08:36

As for the Setanta coverage. Way too pro Calzaghe. Rawling was calling Calzaghe punches that fell short or landed on Kessler's arms.

As for Bunce - enthusiasm is all he has, he talks absolute bollocks.

thepocketrocket · Post by **thepocketrocket** » 04 Nov 2007, 08:39

nickd wrote:As for the Setanta coverage. Way too pro Calzaghe. Rawling was calling Calzaghe punches that fell short or landed on Kessler's arms.

As for Bunce - enthusiasm is all he has, he talks absolute bollocks.

Dont say that to jamesmcdonnell, he will have ya!!!!

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 04 Nov 2007, 08:45

I think the consensus is Rawling is diabolical. He doesn't know what he's watching half the time.

Words escape me where Bunce is concerned, why on earth is he so highly thought of? I've never seen it myself and never will.