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TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 06:27 When you have Lauren Price and Tasha Jonas fights being main events and pushed out as blockbusters then you can see why Sky has packed boxing in. Shalom was the modern day Audley. Aud ruined boxing on BBC, Shalom ruined it on Sky.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 06:27 When you have Lauren Price and Tasha Jonas fights being main events and pushed out as blockbusters then you can see why Sky has packed boxing in. Shalom was the modern day Audley. Aud ruined boxing on BBC, Shalom ruined it on Sky.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 06:27 When you have Lauren Price and Tasha Jonas fights being main events and pushed out as blockbusters then you can see why Sky has packed boxing in. Shalom was the modern day Audley. Aud ruined boxing on BBC, Shalom ruined it on Sky.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 15:33

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 06:27 When you have Lauren Price and Tasha Jonas fights being main events and pushed out as blockbusters then you can see why Sky has packed boxing in. Shalom was the modern day Audley. Aud ruined boxing on BBC, Shalom ruined it on Sky.

the legacy of ben shalom, spending his budget on women's main events no one was pushing for

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

Coco wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 07:49 Then there would be uproar and quite rightly so.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 07:54

Coco wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 07:49 Then there would be uproar and quite rightly so.

I was being sarcastic. Men do commentate on women's sporting events. I can't understand why anyone would have any issues on humans commentating on humans doing sport.

Coco wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 08:34

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 07:54

Coco wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 07:49 Then there would be uproar and quite rightly so.

I was being sarcastic. Men do commentate on women's sporting events. I can't understand why anyone would have any issues on humans commentating on humans doing sport.

You were being sarcastic????? No way, that went right over my head...

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:17

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

Women on TMS are as incongruous as say Michael Portillo appearing in a drill video. As a diligent professional Michael may well have done his research on lyrics and what posture to adopt and what clothes to wear but he’d still look out of place,

And the same goes for the ladies on TMS

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:17

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

Women on TMS are as incongruous as say Michael Portillo appearing in a drill video. As a diligent professional Michael may well have done his research on lyrics and what posture to adopt and what clothes to wear but he’d still look out of place,

And the same goes for the ladies on TMS

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:50 Are they expert on women’s cricket? Yes, absolutely.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:58

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:50 Are they expert on women’s cricket? Yes, absolutely.

It's the same sport.

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 15:12

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:58

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:50 Are they expert on women’s cricket? Yes, absolutely.

It's the same sport.

…Played at totally different levels… and that’s why some reject certain analysers as they can talk about cricket but not with insight and first hand hand experience of having played at the elite level themselves.

A bit like why you don’t have ex non-league male players working as pundits on SKY for the premier league coverage. Technically it’s the same game but those non-league players can’t tell you what it’s like playing, for example, in a Liverpool-United match in front of 74,000 at Old Trafford. They aren’t expert at that level. They are outside observers and can’t give insight based on having been there and done it.

Not an issue for some, sure. But an issue for others.

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 15:12

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:58

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:50 Are they expert on women’s cricket? Yes, absolutely.

It's the same sport.

…Played at totally different levels… and that’s why some reject certain analysers as they can talk about cricket but not with insight and first hand hand experience of having played at the elite level themselves.

A bit like why you don’t have ex non-league male players working as pundits on SKY for the premier league coverage. Technically it’s the same game but those non-league players can’t tell you what it’s like playing, for example, in a Liverpool-United match in front of 74,000 at Old Trafford. They aren’t expert at that level. They are outside observers and can’t give insight based on having been there and done it.

Not an issue for some, sure. But an issue for others.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 17:04

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 15:12

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:58

It's the same sport.

…Played at totally different levels… and that’s why some reject certain analysers as they can talk about cricket but not with insight and first hand hand experience of having played at the elite level themselves.

A bit like why you don’t have ex non-league male players working as pundits on SKY for the premier league coverage. Technically it’s the same game but those non-league players can’t tell you what it’s like playing, for example, in a Liverpool-United match in front of 74,000 at Old Trafford. They aren’t expert at that level. They are outside observers and can’t give insight based on having been there and done it.

Not an issue for some, sure. But an issue for others.

Reg Gutteridge, Harry Carpenter and Ian Darke. All top level commentators, none of them fought at the top level. Come on genius, explain it to me.

maverick23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 02:49
Boxxer will continue on Sky but on a show by show basis I think. They’ve got fighters who have deals with Sky too (like Whittaker). I don’t know if they have enough to do many other shows outside of that with a different network.

It won’t have anything to do with Azim not fighting. I’d imagine Sky were pushing Boxxer to improve the undercard last night hence the Azim fight being added.

steve689 wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 17:20

maverick23 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2025, 02:49
Boxxer will continue on Sky but on a show by show basis I think. They’ve got fighters who have deals with Sky too (like Whittaker). I don’t know if they have enough to do many other shows outside of that with a different network.

It won’t have anything to do with Azim not fighting. I’d imagine Sky were pushing Boxxer to improve the undercard last night hence the Azim fight being added.

I think the same as this. If Sky are moving away from an exclusive deal they'll need someone still to run shows. Who else is there to turn to? Eddie and Frank are tied up on DAZN. Wasserman are out the picture, thank goodness, with Channel 5. Boxxer will be back but with limited dates. That's what I see happening.

liamlion wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 11:50

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑22 Jun 2025, 06:46

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑21 Jun 2025, 23:25 i switched on test match special recently to find two women talking to each other

Imagine it, two females daring to talk about cricket. How could they possibly be able to comment on thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball. How dare they. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour. They'll have men commentating on the women's sports next. What has the world come to?

…thirteen blokes on a field with a bat and ball… drives huge subscriptions for Sky and thus huge money. A large number of the subscribers that watch cricket will be male.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable for viewers to expect that the people giving expert analysis have at least played in the arena, in such competitions and have experience of the environment they’re commenting on.

Perhaps women expert analysers can’t accurately comment about men’s cricket as it is very different to the way women’s cricket is played. One such example is that women players don’t know what it’s like to face a 90mph bowler or the pressure of playing in front of a full capacity. To that extent, perhaps the women expert analysers aren’t particularly qualified to talk about Men’s cricket and the specific nuances that come with playing the game at that level, as they simply haven’t experienced it…

Are they expert on women’s cricket? Yes, absolutely.