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Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:32

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:31

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:03

My point was that he shouldn't be in there after all this time.

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:47

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:51 Who is Martin Murray’s best win?

Sergio Martinez.

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:32

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:31

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:03

My point was that he shouldn't be in there after all this time.

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:03

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:47

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:51 Who is Martin Murray’s best win?

Sergio Martinez.

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:10

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:32

gilgamesh wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:31

Which should be obvious to anyone that actually cares about and respects the sport. Horse just has a hard on for Fury, and allows that to overshadow everything else.

Must have some size of cock

Well he is a horse.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:11

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:03

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:47 Sergio Martinez.

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:48This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:48

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:46

BigDoofus wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 12:40Perhaps Crolla's 6 losses and 3 draws suggest he's not as good as Brook.

Crolla's win over Burns is better than any win that Brook has had since beating Porter almost 4 years ago.

Brook has a better record than Crolla, but it isn't leagues above and he really hasn't done much lately.

This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 07:38

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:48

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 14:46 Crolla's win over Burns is better than any win that Brook has had since beating Porter almost 4 years ago.

Brook has a better record than Crolla, but it isn't leagues above and he really hasn't done much lately.

This is true. Can't argue with that. Brook lost to GGG and Spence and Crolla lost twice to Linares.

Since.. Crolla beat Burns which is better than Brook beating Rabchenko.

Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 19:40

BitPlayer wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:11

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:03

Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Deffo. There's a few discrepancies but I couldn't be arsed winging through it so I've said its a fair list. Brook should be above Crolla as well like someone has mentioned earlier but tbh I couldn't do a better list so I can't moan too much! Least he has a go

forcefraser wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 09:25

Stuarty wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 19:40

BitPlayer wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:11

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

Deffo. There's a few discrepancies but I couldn't be arsed winging through it so I've said its a fair list. Brook should be above Crolla as well like someone has mentioned earlier but tbh I couldn't do a better list so I can't moan too much! Least he has a go

I agree. The point is you can`t use an argument for placing someone in a certain position based on who you THINK won the fight.

Martin Murray did not beat Martinez according to the judges. Some people thought he did. Some people also thought Chisora beat Whyte. Pot black kettle calling good for goose good for gander

Horse wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 10:31 Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:12 Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

Horse wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 10:10

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:12 Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

I'm not sure yet, I'd have to think about it.

I don't think he'd make the top 10 though.

Where do you think he should go?

keirw wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 11:02 Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings, I do always enjoy seeing Horse's top 30. He clearly puts a lot of effort into it.

It also shows the depth there is in British boxing.

Good domestic/euro level fighters like Callum Johnson, Hughie Fury, John Ryder, Tommy Langford, Martin J Ward and Jack Catterall can't even make the top 30.

Highly rated prospects like Andrew Selby, Josh Kelly and Anthony Yarde don't make it in either.

There just isn't enough room for them all.

BitPlayer wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:11

forcefraser wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 18:03Then we should have Chisora ahead of Whyte, as he beat him.

After Whyte's win over Browne, and Chisora's loss to Agit, I think there's a good case to rank Whyte higher.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 07:38 Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 08:07These are updated rankings. It's not an overall all-time ranking list. Horse updates it every month.

All-time British list, Brook would be above Crolla.

Horse wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 12:30

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 07:38 Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

Horse wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 12:30

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 07:38 Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

jamamb wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 12:35

Horse wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 12:30

BigDoofus wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 07:38 Crolla also lost to Youssef Al Hamidi, Gary Sykes, got knocked out by Derry Matthews. lost again to Gary Sykes, managed a draw with Derry Matthews, drew with world no. 413 Gamaliel Diaz and drew with Darleys Perez.

Crolla lost to Al Hamidi over 10 years ago.

Who cares about all of that stuff?

and the fight with diaz was a 3 round technical draw due to a cut from a head clash, and at that time diaz was more like 50th on boxrec. but ya, lol, crolla could only scrape by with a draw vs the world 413!

not disengenous at all

jamamb wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 11:24

keirw wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 11:02 Even though I disagree with a few of the rankings, I do always enjoy seeing Horse's top 30. He clearly puts a lot of effort into it.

It also shows the depth there is in British boxing.

Good domestic/euro level fighters like Callum Johnson, Hughie Fury, John Ryder, Tommy Langford, Martin J Ward and Jack Catterall can't even make the top 30.

Highly rated prospects like Andrew Selby, Josh Kelly and Anthony Yarde don't make it in either.

There just isn't enough room for them all.

sometimes ppl dont appreciate how strong british boxing is. its absolutely up there for the strongest in the world. loads and loads of talent. and not the drab bored fans that are in so many other countries.

Horse wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 10:10

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 May 2018, 15:12 Where do you see Josh Taylor going if he secures a win against Postol, Mr H?
Postol is Boxrec #3.

I'm not sure yet, I'd have to think about it.

I don't think he'd make the top 10 though.

Where do you think he should go?

forcefraser wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 09:25I agree. The point is you can`t use an argument for placing someone in a certain position based on who you THINK won the fight.

forcefraser wrote: ↑02 May 2018, 09:25Martin Murray did not beat Martinez according to the judges. Some people thought he did. Some people also thought Chisora beat Whyte. Pot black kettle calling good for goose good for gander