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I'd never put Whyte over Miller or Ortiz.


I'd say of recent wins, Miller has a better resume than Whyte.

Compare last 3..

Miller: Duhaupas, Wach, Washington

Whyte: Browne, Helenius, Tann

Even Chisora is somewhat of a question mark..

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:11 Champion : Fury

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3 Wilder
4 Ortiz
5 Whyte
6 Miller
7. Parker
8 Kabayal
9 Hammer
10 jennings

Fut me, where's Jennings popped out from.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:01

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:57

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:41

No certainly not. He's an attraction, and even in spite of my personal feelings toward him I'd never suggest that a Boxing promoter should ignore a guy that's money.

I just find it odd as to WHY he's one of the most popular boxers. The only exciting fight I've ever seen him in was the Steve Cunningham fight. I guess dressing up like Batman, and acting like a complete and absolute fool makes you popular?

He has "something" .....It is difficult, or better impossible, to explain, but, he is different, simply different, and very popular fighter, because of that........

It's not that hard to explain. He's White and Irish. That's probably 80% of it right there.

I can not agree.....Concernig my country / region, all of us are white, and there is no Irish at all.....And Fury is still popular.........

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:14

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:11 Champion : Fury

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3 Wilder
4 Ortiz
5 Whyte
6 Miller
7. Parker
8 Kabayal
9 Hammer
10 jennings

Fut me, where's Jennings popped out from.

He fought last week. I have him in my Top 15, but can't rank him in the Top 10 again for now as he's barely been active the last few years, and he struggled pretty bad with Joey Dawejko. The scores in his favor were wider than they should've been...don't get me wrong he legitimately deserved the win over Joey, but it was closer than the scores indicated.

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:15

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:01

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:57

He has "something" .....It is difficult, or better impossible, to explain, but, he is different, simply different, and very popular fighter, because of that........

It's not that hard to explain. He's White and Irish. That's probably 80% of it right there.

I can not agree.....Concernig my country / region, all of us are white, and there is no Irish at all.....And Fury is still popular.........

People like jackasses I guess. It's all the rage these days to be a jackass. Works for Conor McGregor too.

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:14

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:05

Casual fans (the great majority of them) like him, border-line fans (the great majority of them) like him, as I know.
You have to accept the fact that he is among five the most popular active boxers. Should we write off him ?

I am far from a casual fan and I like the entertainment of Fury's mouth. Depends on how you take it!

So, I suppose you agree with me about Fury.

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:14

funso banjo baby wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:11 Champion : Fury

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3 Wilder
4 Ortiz
5 Whyte
6 Miller
7. Parker
8 Kabayal
9 Hammer
10 jennings

Fut me, where's Jennings popped out from.

He fought last week. I have him in my Top 15, but can't rank him in the Top 10 again for now as he's barely been active the last few years, and he struggled pretty bad with Joey Dawejko. The scores in his favor were wider than they should've been...don't get me wrong he legitimately deserved the win over Joey, but it was closer than the scores indicated.

I know he's been active recently.

Top 15 is okay.. would you rank Ruiz higher?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:14

Fut me, where's Jennings popped out from.

He fought last week. I have him in my Top 15, but can't rank him in the Top 10 again for now as he's barely been active the last few years, and he struggled pretty bad with Joey Dawejko. The scores in his favor were wider than they should've been...don't get me wrong he legitimately deserved the win over Joey, but it was closer than the scores indicated.

I know he's been active recently.

Top 15 is okay.. would you rank Ruiz higher?

Yeah I currently got Ruiz at 10.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:16

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:15

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:01

It's not that hard to explain. He's White and Irish. That's probably 80% of it right there.

I can not agree.....Concernig my country / region, all of us are white, and there is no Irish at all.....And Fury is still popular.........

People like jackasses I guess. It's all the rage these days to be a jackass. Works for Conor McGregor too.

I agree about Conor, he is popular (speaking of my enviroment, of course) too.......

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:19

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:34

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:14

I am far from a casual fan and I like the entertainment of Fury's mouth. Depends on how you take it!

So, I suppose you agree with me about Fury.

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:19

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:34

So, I suppose you agree with me about Fury.

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

Well then they haven't followed Boxing in years then if they're waiting for Fury

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:19

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 13:34

So, I suppose you agree with me about Fury.

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

Ok, I'll agree. (I'm difficult!)

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:29

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:19

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

Well then they haven't followed Boxing in years then if they're waiting for Fury

Oh, they had been watching Klitschko brothers, David Haye, and Povetkin.
Not so long ago, they had been following Holyfield, Lewis and M. Tyson.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:38

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:19

I don't concern myself why fans do what they do and I find it condescending to refer to folks as casual fans. That's all. I've been into the sweet science for the better part of the last 50 years, and I like Fury's antics (entertainment value like Ali). So am I causal? No...It's my favorite sport and will always be. I like watching brawls and also love technically well fought fights just as much. You tell me...what's a causal fan?

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

Ok, I'll agree. (I'm difficult!)

OK, my definition is not absolutelly precise one (but 90 %, I feel).................

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:38

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:27

Casual fan ?? The average casual fan follows only the most popular fighters and fights.

Ok, I'll agree. (I'm difficult!)

OK, my definition is not absolutelly precise one (but 90 %, I feel).................

80/20 rule works in life too so there you have it!

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:58

ValMar wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:38

Ok, I'll agree. (I'm difficult!)

OK, my definition is not absolutelly precise one (but 90 %, I feel).................

80/20 rule works in life too so there you have it!

Yes !

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 14:13 I'd never put Whyte over Miller or Ortiz.


I'd say of recent wins, Miller has a better resume than Whyte.

Compare last 3..

Miller: Duhaupas, Wach, Washington

Whyte: Browne, Helenius, Tann

Even Chisora is somewhat of a question mark..

miller fought those 3 all within just around 9 months too, thats really good by todays standards

Lineal, undisputed, preparing the comeback God of the division: Tyson Fury

Champion: Anthony Joshua

Minor champion: Deontay Wilder

1. Povetkin
2. Ortiz
3. Parker
4. Miller
5. Breazeale
6. Whyte
7. Pulev
8. Kownacki
9. Takam
10. H. Fury

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:11 Lineal, undisputed, preparing the comeback God of the division: Tyson Fury

Champion: Anthony Joshua

Minor champion: Deontay Wilder

1. Povetkin
2. Ortiz
3. Parker
4. Miller
5. Breazeale
6. Whyte
7. Pulev
8. Kownacki
9. Takam
10. H. Fury

For "Minor Champions" I prefer to use the term "Contender with a Belt" as I think it's more accurate.

Don't really see how Hughie is even Top 20, let alone Top 10.

if someone thought he beat parker

i mean how less proven is he then andy ruiz?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:14 Don't really see how Hughie is even Top 20, let alone Top 10.

Well, actually going down closer to the 10th position everything is not very clear. Maybe it's a bit overrating for Hughie to be in top-10, he's definitely make top-20, I'd say.

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:14 Don't really see how Hughie is even Top 20, let alone Top 10.

Well, actually going down closer to the 10th position everything is not very clear. Maybe it's a bit overrating for Hughie to be in top-10, he's definitely make top-20, I'd say.

1. Anthony Joshua (last fought: 3-31-2018)
2. Deontay Wilder (last fought: 3-3-2018)
3. Alexander Povetkin - (last fought: 3-31-2018)
4. Joseph Parker - (last fought: 3-31-2018)
5. Jarrell Miller - (last fought: 4-28-2018)
6. Luis Ortiz - (last fought: 3-3-2018)
7. Dillian Whyte - (last fought: 3-24-2018)
8. Carlos Takam - (last fought: 10-28-2017)
9. Tony Bellew - (last fought: 5-5-2018)
10. Andy Ruiz Jr. (last fought: 3-10-2018)

11. Dominic Breazeale (last fought: 2-25-2017)
12. Adam Kownacki - (last fought: 1-20-2018)
13. Agit Kabayel - (last fought: 4-21-2018)
14. Christian Hammer - (last fought: 12-15-2017)
15. Bryant Jennings - (last fought: 4-28-2018)
16. Lucas Browne - (last fought: 6-2-2017)
17. Charles Martin - (last fought: 7-18-2017)
18. Oscar Rivas - (last fought: 4-19-2018)
19. Dereck Chisora - (last fought: 3-24-2018)
20. Tom Schwarz - (last fought: 4-21-2018)

If you wanted to switch out Hughie for Schwarz I wouldn't argue with you too much, but Hughie basically seems to be highly regarded because he's a better fighters cousin.

DrDuke wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:11 Lineal, undisputed, preparing the comeback God of the division: Tyson Fury

Champion: Anthony Joshua

Minor champion: Deontay Wilder

1. Povetkin
2. Ortiz
3. Parker
4. Miller
5. Breazeale
6. Whyte
7. Pulev
8. Kownacki
9. Takam
10. H. Fury

Duke, I love who you do it like this!!!! Agree...! (except Fury) We already had an emeritus champion...due to injury not habits.

i could easily see hughie above guys like schwarz, browne, rivas. i mean what the hell has scwarz done? hughie beat rudenko, kassi (right after kassi gave breazele hell), and many thought beat parker

browne looked f@cking awful last fight and its been over 2 years since he came from way behind to beat old chag. rivas is still in with pretty much all cans

and martin really hasnt done anything at all lately

and how is ruiz 10 but hughie not even belonging top 20?

jamamb wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 15:22 i could easily see hughie above guys like schwarz, browne, rivas. i mean what the hell has scwarz done? hughie beat rudenko, kassi (right after kassi gave breazele hell), and many thought beat parker

browne looked f@cking awful last fight and its been over 2 years since he came from way behind to beat old chag. rivas is still in with pretty much all cans

and martin really hasnt done anything at all lately

I can't comment (other than this), as I've not seen enough of Hughie if that's the fury your talking about.