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I say you cant take the bastards' words at all

Sporting Icons? That's your source!? The guy is a troll. LMFAO!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:34 I say you cant take the bastards' words at all

Promoters are far the worst.

Ah, I see now, Rick Glaser is the source for the 138k

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:36

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:34 I say you cant take the bastards' words at all

Promoters are far the worst.

They all be business men trying to get as much moolah as can yo

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:37

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:36

Promoters are far the worst.

They all be business men trying to get as much moolah as can yo

That's the reason, but doesn't belay the fact that they all lie like the devil himself. In American law it's called "puffery."

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:35 Sporting Icons? That's your source!? The guy is a troll. LMFAO!

Watch the video and review his source.

Other media sources, other than Sporting Icons, are making the same claims.

The point is, no official named source from Fox or the PBC has disclosed the actual figures.

People are making numbers up. No reputable source is providing actual numbers.

So 138K is as reliable as 275K, because I doubt anyone actually knows the real number.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:37 Ah, I see now, Rick Glaser is the source for the 138k

That vid was done after this troll reported the 2,500 'record low' ppv.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:40

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:37 Ah, I see now, Rick Glaser is the source for the 138k

That vid was done after this troll reported the 2,500 'record low' ppv.

Apparently he denied the 2,500K figure.

Pay attention to the video and listen to what’s actually being said.

FFS!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:35 Sporting Icons? That's your source!? The guy is a troll. LMFAO!

Watch the video and review his source.

Other media sources, other than Sporting Icons, are making the same claims.

The point is, no official named source from Fox or the PBC has disclosed the actual figures.

People are making numbers up. No reputable source is providing actual numbers.

So 138K is as reliable as 275K, because I doubt anyone actually knows the real number.

Didn't you make multiple posts on this? SO you're as bad as they are. You even commented on how it bode poorly for the event. The 275k sounds reasonble. Don't you think? Or are you sticking to the worst ppv narrative?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:41

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:40

That vid was done after this troll reported the 2,500 'record low' ppv.

Apparently he denied the 2,500K figure.

Pay attention to the video and listen to what’s actually being said.

FFS!

He reported it. He also called Wilder fans fake for not supporting Deontay in attendance or ppv's. So now you are defending this guy? He's one of the most biased boxing channels on youtube. Maybe you should watch Boxing Squared or Right Hook Boxing. They seem to be pretty fair and informed.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:42

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:40
Watch the video and review his source.

Other media sources, other than Sporting Icons, are making the same claims.

The point is, no official named source from Fox or the PBC has disclosed the actual figures.

People are making numbers up. No reputable source is providing actual numbers.

So 138K is as reliable as 275K, because I doubt anyone actually knows the real number.

Didn't you make multiple posts on this? SO you're as bad as they are. You even commented on how it bode poorly for the event. The 275k sounds reasonble. Don't you think? Or are you sticking to the worst ppv narrative?

Quote my words! I dare you!

I clearly stated I was conveying rumours.

The 275K figure is also a rumour since it was provided by an anonymous source.

I can’t believe you can write but can’t fückïng read!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:45

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:42

Didn't you make multiple posts on this? SO you're as bad as they are. You even commented on how it bode poorly for the event. The 275k sounds reasonble. Don't you think? Or are you sticking to the worst ppv narrative?

Quote my words! I dare you!

I clearly stated I was conveying rumours.

The 275K figure is also a rumour since it was provided by an anonymous source.

I can’t believe you can write but can’t fückïng read!

LMFAO! Another off the rails response. Such a hypocrite. Maybe you should be more careful what you post. Judge not lest thou be judged.

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:48

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:45
Quote my words! I dare you!

I clearly stated I was conveying rumours.

The 275K figure is also a rumour since it was provided by an anonymous source.

I can’t believe you can write but can’t fückïng read!

LMFAO! Another off the rails response. Such a hypocrite. Maybe you should be more careful what you post. Judge not lest thou be judged.

So you blatantly lie about what I’ve written, but you accuse me of going off the rails?

You’re a funny dude! You make me laugh at times.

Please bring it on and tell more comedic lies about me, it makes me chuckle.

As facinating as all this is

In summary no one believed 2,500 buys (but it was an amusing narrative for haters)
Dan Glazer has put his name to 138k, but he doesn't really know.
And now anonymous sources have put out a counter narrative of 275k through boxing scene
Finally no official figures have been released

I guess with this there is a little something for everyone to believe

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:51

oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:48
LMFAO! Another off the rails response. Such a hypocrite. Maybe you should be more careful what you post. Judge not lest thou be judged.

So you blatantly lie about what I’ve written, but you accuse me of going off the rails?

You’re a funny dude! You make me laugh at times.

Please bring it on and tell more comedic lies about me, it makes me chuckle.

Nah...you do just fine on your own.

Finkel wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 21:07 As facinating as all this is

In summary no one believed 2,500 buys (but it was an amusing narrative for haters)
Dan Glazer has put his name to 138k, but he doesn't really know.
And now anonymous sources have put out a counter narrative of 275k through boxing scene
Finally no official figures have been released

I guess with this there is a little something for everyone to believe

I agree with what you’ve wrote, but I would like to add that even if the 275K rumoured figure being reported was true, it was still the worst PBC PPV of 2019 by a significant margin.

Whether the lack of interest for this event was due to Wilder’s lack of drawing power or perhaps an industry trend is anyone’s guess, though I suspect it’s due to the former rather than the latter.

oogiebe wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 00:49

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Dec 2019, 19:51
So you blatantly lie about what I’ve written, but you accuse me of going off the rails?

You’re a funny dude! You make me laugh at times.

Please bring it on and tell more comedic lies about me, it makes me chuckle.

Nah...you do just fine on your own.

I’m surprised there was no sources for Spence-Porter.

Wilder-Ortiz Rematch Generates Over $4 Million: 7,403 Tickets Sold

The unbeaten heavyweight from Tuscaloosa, Alabama racked up his 10th successful heavyweight title defense following a one-punch 7th round knockout of Luis Ortiz. Their Nov. 23 Fox Sports Pay-Per-View headliner live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada generated a live gate of $4,063,141.50, as confirmed to BS.com by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The box office total was derived from 7,403 tickets sold, with another 1,726 complimentary tickets issued to total a confirmed in 9,129 attendance. The announced fight night crowd was in excess of 10,000 according to post-fight media reports.

Final ticket sales mark a 538% increase from the last time Wilder (42-0-1, 41KOs) played the MGM and Las Vegas, which came in his 12-round title winning effort over Bermane Stiverne nearly five years ago. The Jan. 2015 event produced a live gate of $755,200 from 4,074 tickets sold amidst an announced crowd of 8,454 on fight night.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 05:43 Wilder-Ortiz Rematch Generates Over $4 Million: 7,403 Tickets Sold

The unbeaten heavyweight from Tuscaloosa, Alabama racked up his 10th successful heavyweight title defense following a one-punch 7th round knockout of Luis Ortiz. Their Nov. 23 Fox Sports Pay-Per-View headliner live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada generated a live gate of $4,063,141.50, as confirmed to BS.com by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The box office total was derived from 7,403 tickets sold, with another 1,726 complimentary tickets issued to total a confirmed in 9,129 attendance. The announced fight night crowd was in excess of 10,000 according to post-fight media reports.

Final ticket sales mark a 538% increase from the last time Wilder (42-0-1, 41KOs) played the MGM and Las Vegas, which came in his 12-round title winning effort over Bermane Stiverne nearly five years ago. The Jan. 2015 event produced a live gate of $755,200 from 4,074 tickets sold amidst an announced crowd of 8,454 on fight night.

So only 7,403 tickets were sold for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, with 1,726 tickets given away free, meaning that 9,129 people witnessed the bout from a stadium with a capacity of 17,157.

Therefore, 47% of the seats were vacant, with 24% of those occupied being complimentary - unpaid for.

In stark contracts, 20,201 people witnessed the Joshua-Ruiz Jr. bout in NYC from the sold-out Madison Square Garden.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:05

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 05:43 Wilder-Ortiz Rematch Generates Over $4 Million: 7,403 Tickets Sold

The unbeaten heavyweight from Tuscaloosa, Alabama racked up his 10th successful heavyweight title defense following a one-punch 7th round knockout of Luis Ortiz. Their Nov. 23 Fox Sports Pay-Per-View headliner live from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada generated a live gate of $4,063,141.50, as confirmed to BS.com by the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

The box office total was derived from 7,403 tickets sold, with another 1,726 complimentary tickets issued to total a confirmed in 9,129 attendance. The announced fight night crowd was in excess of 10,000 according to post-fight media reports.

Final ticket sales mark a 538% increase from the last time Wilder (42-0-1, 41KOs) played the MGM and Las Vegas, which came in his 12-round title winning effort over Bermane Stiverne nearly five years ago. The Jan. 2015 event produced a live gate of $755,200 from 4,074 tickets sold amidst an announced crowd of 8,454 on fight night.

So only 7,403 tickets were sold for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, with 1,726 tickets given away free, meaning that 9,129 people witnessed the bout from a stadium with a capacity of 17,157.

Therefore, 47% of the seats were vacant, with 24% of those occupied being complimentary - unpaid for.

In stark contracts, 20,201 people witnessed the Joshua-Ruiz Jr. bout in NYC from the sold-out Madison Square Garden.

I think people get caught up on sales figures, when they should really be focusing on revenue generated. $4m is a good number.

Let’s not forget, FMJ hardly ever sold out the MGM or even the May-Mac fight didn’t sell out. Yet, he always generated big money.

Let’s look at Fury, his fight with Schwarz sold 5k tickets or so, generated $800k work out how much the average seat cost. His fight fight with Wallin was even more impressive. Only 3k tickets sold and generated around $950k..

Promoters and boxers will care more about how much they make, not how many seats they fill.

Let’s look at PPV buys. Canelo-GGG 1 did 1.3m buys right?

Canelo-GGG 2 did 1.1m buys. The second fight costs more, which means less bought it, however the sequel generated more than the first bout.

I dont get the arguments. Wilder v fury 2 will do at least 1mm buys. Its a huge hw fight that is being promoted by fox and espn.

Neither guys is a huge draw alone when fighting brezeale and otto wallin. Nobody cares about those fights. Everyone cares about this rematch

Will it do 2mm?? I doubt it but given the networks and weekend the fight is on it will have a shot.

Also who cares if fox or espn lose money? Let them lose money it isnt yours

325k ---> 2m would sure be a massive jump

These cats didn't even match Errol's numbers

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 09:11

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 06:05
So only 7,403 tickets were sold for the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, with 1,726 tickets given away free, meaning that 9,129 people witnessed the bout from a stadium with a capacity of 17,157.

Therefore, 47% of the seats were vacant, with 24% of those occupied being complimentary - unpaid for.

In stark contracts, 20,201 people witnessed the Joshua-Ruiz Jr. bout in NYC from the sold-out Madison Square Garden.

I think people get caught up on sales figures, when they should really be focusing on revenue generated. $4m is a good number.

Let’s not forget, FMJ hardly ever sold out the MGM or even the May-Mac fight didn’t sell out. Yet, he always generated big money.

Let’s look at Fury, his fight with Schwarz sold 5k tickets or so, generated $800k work out how much the average seat cost. His fight fight with Wallin was even more impressive. Only 3k tickets sold and generated around $950k..

Promoters and boxers will care more about how much they make, not how many seats they fill.

Let’s look at PPV buys. Canelo-GGG 1 did 1.3m buys right?

Canelo-GGG 2 did 1.1m buys. The second fight costs more, which means less bought it, however the sequel generated more than the first bout.

The Pacquiao-Thurman bout that took place at the same venue, four months prior to the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, achieved 54% more gate receipt revenue.

The Wilder-Ortiz rematch only managed to sell 43% of the seating capacity of the MGM Grand Garden Arena venue. The stadium was half empty.

Regardless of whatever rumoured figure we’re working from, the Wilder-Ortiz rematch definitely has the worst PBC PPV buy-rate of 2019.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 11:57

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Dec 2019, 09:11

I think people get caught up on sales figures, when they should really be focusing on revenue generated. $4m is a good number.

Let’s not forget, FMJ hardly ever sold out the MGM or even the May-Mac fight didn’t sell out. Yet, he always generated big money.

Let’s look at Fury, his fight with Schwarz sold 5k tickets or so, generated $800k work out how much the average seat cost. His fight fight with Wallin was even more impressive. Only 3k tickets sold and generated around $950k..

Promoters and boxers will care more about how much they make, not how many seats they fill.

Let’s look at PPV buys. Canelo-GGG 1 did 1.3m buys right?

Canelo-GGG 2 did 1.1m buys. The second fight costs more, which means less bought it, however the sequel generated more than the first bout.

The Pacquiao-Thurman bout that took place at the same venue, four months prior to the Wilder-Ortiz rematch, achieved 54% more gate receipt revenue.

The Wilder-Ortiz rematch only managed to sell 43% of the seating capacity of the MGM Grand Garden Arena venue. The stadium was half empty.

Regardless of whatever rumoured figure we’re working from, the Wilder-Ortiz rematch definitely has the worst PBC PPV buy-rate of 2019.

Using a % figure makes it seem much higher than it was. It did $6.3m gate and that from 11k tickets sold. Let’s not forget, Pac is probably the BIGGEST ticket seller in boxing maybe outside of Canelo (AJ in the UK)..

Adding the comps, it wasn’t half empty either.

Pac-Thurman sold 3k more tickets and made a further $2m.

Promoters/managers don’t care HOW many buys/tickets they sell compared to how much revenue they make. Obviously one compliments the other.

Imagine Wilder-Ortiz was priced at $50? Maybe more people would have bought it, but the revenue would have either been a bit less or exactly the same. The $25 makes a difference for consumers and the promoters.

We don’t know how much Spence-Porter did so we don’t know it Wilder-Ortiz 2 was the worst.

Arum said it did under 200k but he would say that. There was at least 2 sources saying it was tracking over 300k, maybe reaching 350k, which would make it better than Wilder-Ortiz 2, but as you said, Fox/Showtime haven’t released official figures.