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Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 06:46
by mickey1975
It used to be bad at BN. It’s pretty fair now, but the north have all the best amateurs!

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 06:53
by coneye
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:46 It used to be bad at BN. It’s pretty fair now, but the north have all the best amateurs!
Whys that would you say Mickey .

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 06:58
by dookus
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43
Alba wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 05:04 I would say that gyms that are in the South of England, tend to get more smoke blown up their arses than the ones up the North if England. Maybe its to do with Media Bias or London centric media
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
Speaking as a West Country man, that does wind me up too. Listening to Glenn Catley's experiences on Boxing Life Stories brings home just how invisible the whole region is in boxing despite having plenty of talent. Even Chris Sanigar got most of his experience in London.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 07:15
by mickey1975
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:53
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:46 It used to be bad at BN. It’s pretty fair now, but the north have all the best amateurs!
Whys that would you say Mickey .
I don’t know. The guy at Birtley is the best trainer in the amateur game for me, but goes under the radar. The Leeds boys at Hunslet are mainly travelling boys and don’t go to school, Hope Price and his brothers have won it all. But I suppose it’s the same all over the country....

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 07:22
by coneye
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:15
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:53
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:46 It used to be bad at BN. It’s pretty fair now, but the north have all the best amateurs!
Whys that would you say Mickey .
I don’t know. The guy at Birtley is the best trainer in the amateur game for me, but goes under the radar. The Leeds boys at Hunslet are mainly travelling boys and don’t go to school, Hope Price and his brothers have won it all. But I suppose it’s the same all over the country....
Obviously the gyms /coaches , have to be up to the job ,, but you need the talent to work with ,, I was gonna say do you think its because maybee theres more travellers up north , because its obvious a lot of travellers do well

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 07:33
by mickey1975
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:22
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:15
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:53

Whys that would you say Mickey .
I don’t know. The guy at Birtley is the best trainer in the amateur game for me, but goes under the radar. The Leeds boys at Hunslet are mainly travelling boys and don’t go to school, Hope Price and his brothers have won it all. But I suppose it’s the same all over the country....
Obviously the gyms /coaches , have to be up to the job ,, but you need the talent to work with ,, I was gonna say do you think its because maybee theres more travellers up north , because its obvious a lot of travellers do well
None of the Birtley lads are travellers, and they had two on the Olympic squad, three in the worlds and one world junior.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 08:05
by Deserter
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:58
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43
Alba wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 05:04 I would say that gyms that are in the South of England, tend to get more smoke blown up their arses than the ones up the North if England. Maybe its to do with Media Bias or London centric media
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
Speaking as a West Country man
Which part mate?

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 08:45
by dookus
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:05
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:58
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
Speaking as a West Country man
Which part mate?
West Cornwall

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 08:49
by Deserter
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:45
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:05
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:58 Speaking as a West Country man
Which part mate?
West Cornwall
Yeh, I remember now we were on a thread a few years ago about that neck of the woods as I trained briefly at Cambourne ABC.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 08:57
by dookus
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:49
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:45
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:05
Which part mate?
West Cornwall
Yeh, I remember now we were on a thread a few years ago about that neck of the woods as I trained briefly at Cambourne ABC.
Ah yes! I bet that was a high-end sparkling place to train :lol:

Wanted to go to Truro ABC when that was still around but mother was having none of it! Didn't step in a boxing gym till I was 20 in the end..

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 09:02
by Deserter
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:57
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:49
dookus wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 08:45
West Cornwall
Yeh, I remember now we were on a thread a few years ago about that neck of the woods as I trained briefly at Cambourne ABC.
Ah yes! I bet that was a high-end sparkling place to train :lol:

Wanted to go to Truro ABC when that was still around but mother was having none of it! Didn't step in a boxing gym till I was 20 in the end..
I was the same age mate - did Tae Kwon Do from 11-18, but got disillusioned by semi-contact sparring.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 09:32
by Coco
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:53
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:46 It used to be bad at BN. It’s pretty fair now, but the north have all the best amateurs!
Whys that would you say Mickey .
More distractions in London!

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 10:52
by Floyd the snake
Thoughts on Tony Sims gym ? Is he as good as people make out ?

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 10:56
by smiling assassin
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:33
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:22
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:15
I don’t know. The guy at Birtley is the best trainer in the amateur game for me, but goes under the radar. The Leeds boys at Hunslet are mainly travelling boys and don’t go to school, Hope Price and his brothers have won it all. But I suppose it’s the same all over the country....
Obviously the gyms /coaches , have to be up to the job ,, but you need the talent to work with ,, I was gonna say do you think its because maybee theres more travellers up north , because its obvious a lot of travellers do well
None of the Birtley lads are travellers, and they had two on the Olympic squad, three in the worlds and one world junior.
Mark Dickinson is a traveller

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 12:34
by mickey1975
smiling assassin wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 10:56
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:33
coneye wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 07:22

Obviously the gyms /coaches , have to be up to the job ,, but you need the talent to work with ,, I was gonna say do you think its because maybee theres more travellers up north , because its obvious a lot of travellers do well
None of the Birtley lads are travellers, and they had two on the Olympic squad, three in the worlds and one world junior.
Mark Dickinson is a traveller
I’ve no idea. I’m Yorkshire, their TTW! Good club though.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 12:46
by smiling assassin
Yeah very good club indeed. Graeme Rutherford must be an exceptional trainer to produce the fighters he has. Of course success breeds success and fighters will travel just to be at Birtley, just like they travel to box for Repton

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 12:55
by mickey1975
smiling assassin wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 12:46 Yeah very good club indeed. Graeme Rutherford must be an exceptional trainer to produce the fighters he has. Of course success breeds success and fighters will travel just to be at Birtley, just like they travel to box for Repton
Like I said, I don’t class Repton as everyone seems to flock there. I remember Sedgefield having some outstanding kids.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 12:59
by mickey1975
Floyd the snake wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 10:52 Thoughts on Tony Sims gym ? Is he as good as people make out ?
“An old school “ villain by the sounds of it. I’ve looked for his record but all you get is he was a doorman at some London club. Then someone saying his brother is worse.

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 14:16
by Steveh583
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43
Alba wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 05:04 I would say that gyms that are in the South of England, tend to get more smoke blown up their arses than the ones up the North if England. Maybe its to do with Media Bias or London centric media
I don't see that at all - in recent years it's been the likes of the Ingles and Gallaghers that have been most prominent in the media, both of them based in the North.
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
great post :salut:

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 14:21
by Coco
Steveh583 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 14:16
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43
Alba wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 05:04 I would say that gyms that are in the South of England, tend to get more smoke blown up their arses than the ones up the North if England. Maybe its to do with Media Bias or London centric media
I don't see that at all - in recent years it's been the likes of the Ingles and Gallaghers that have been most prominent in the media, both of them based in the North.
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
great post :salut:
Listening to Glen Catley on you tube the other day he said he eventually quit after waiting months for his money and only picking up 1500 quid.
I was surprised to hear that as I always thought him and Saniger were close and I hadn't heard anyone speaking badly about him

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 15:23
by Counter-puncher
mickey1975 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 12:59
Floyd the snake wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 10:52 Thoughts on Tony Sims gym ? Is he as good as people make out ?
“An old school “ villain by the sounds of it. I’ve looked for his record but all you get is he was a doorman at some London club. Then someone saying his brother is worse.
A quick google suggests he probably walks medium-heavy, but not as heavy as say the Bowers brothers

Re: Most Overrated Gym in the UK?

Posted: 04 Sep 2020, 16:21
by dookus
Coco wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 14:21
Steveh583 wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 14:16
Deserter wrote: 04 Sep 2020, 06:43

I don't see that at all - in recent years it's been the likes of the Ingles and Gallaghers that have been most prominent in the media, both of them based in the North.
No offence, but I also get really bored of hearing the south of England lumped together, when in reality you're talking about London. For example, Chris Sanigar's track record in Bristol has nearly always flown under the radar despite the successes of the likes of Glen Catley, Dean Francis, Ross Hale, Lee Selby, Lee Haskins etc.
great post :salut:
Listening to Glen Catley on you tube the other day he said he eventually quit after waiting months for his money and only picking up 1500 quid.
I was surprised to hear that as I always thought him and Saniger were close and I hadn't heard anyone speaking badly about him
The impression I get is Sanigar did as well as he could with what boxing infrastructure/interest there was in the South West at the time, but that wasn't enough to properly promote a world level fighter like Catley.