BoxRec

So let’s summarise:

• Eastern Europeans fighters initially gained success at world-level in the professional ranks about thirty years ago
• Roughly 50% of the medallists from the 2019 world amateur championships were from Eastern Europe (Uzbekistan, Russia, and Kazakhstan). Many of these fighters are young and will inevitably be considered as serious prospects when they turn pro.
• Roughly 15% of the top 150 BoxRec pound-for-pound ratings are comprised of fighters that originate/born in Eastern European countries

But for sure, Eastern European fighters achieving success in the pro ranks is simply a recent “craze” or a “short-lived fad”.

There’s this thread claiming that Eastern Europeans gaining success in the pro ranks is merely a “craze” and a “short-lived fad.”

And there’s another thread claiming that “it’s game over for pro boxing in USA when America loses the welterweight division.”

Imagine if both of these nonsense claims really were true, then which countries/geographical regions would dominate pro boxing in the future?

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 05:44

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 21:00

Goodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:51 Croatia IS in eastern europe. And they are Slavics

Basically from Slovenia/Croatia/Czech Republic east towards to Asia is Eastern Europe.

It's in central and South-Eastern Europe. When I went there I didn't think of it as Eastern Europe, But whatever... Do they consider themselves an Eastern European country?

Yes. Im eastern european and generally everything east to germany italy and austria is considered eastern europe. At the least culturally. Basically post soviet countries. Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

I think of Kazakhstan as Eurasia.

Cyclops wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 12:00

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 05:44

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 21:00
It's in central and South-Eastern Europe. When I went there I didn't think of it as Eastern Europe, But whatever... Do they consider themselves an Eastern European country?

Yes. Im eastern european and generally everything east to germany italy and austria is considered eastern europe. At the least culturally. Basically post soviet countries. Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

I think of Kazakhstan as Eurasia.

Of course its eurasia. Eaurasia means the combined land mass of europe and asia. India and france are eurasia.

The combined mass of Andy Bell and Vince Clarke.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 22:38

Goodz wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 22:35

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 21:45 Certainly wouldn't call it a fad. More like a particularly bright spot for Eastern European Boxing that isn't likely to repeat itself on a regular basis, but good fighters always come about again, and good fighters of the past inspire more to follow in their footsteps.

It would repeat itself on a regular basis if the big western promoters signed up the best amateurs. The talent is there and has always been there. Go look at the boxrec amateur rankings, the ex soviet union countries dominate the top of the rankings in every division. Russia in particular have so much strength in depth.

Amateurs and Pros is 2 different things. Ask the Cubans.

National boxers in Cuba are fighting for a better life for themselves and family. If they are on the national team, their family gets better housing. The top fighters live with the national team and that life is better than for the average Cuban. Once they defect to the US or Europe, they are no longer under the thumb of the Cuban boxing system. They can now do as they please and that lack of discipline can lead to lack of desire to fight like they did as amateurs.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 06:35 There’s this thread claiming that Eastern Europeans gaining success in the pro ranks is merely a “craze” and a “short-lived fad.”

And there’s another thread claiming that “it’s game over for pro boxing in USA when America loses the welterweight division.”

Imagine if both of these nonsense claims really were true, then which countries/geographical regions would dominate pro boxing in the future?

show me where this thread title or op says that the east euros are a fad bruh

come at me with those words, those cold, raging, throbbing hard facts to substantiate your claim

demonstrate, through adducing the appropriate evidence, that this thread is actually saying they are, and not merely raising a question that has many different possible answers (such as 'they arent a fad')

bring it homeslice, if you dont respond within 5 seconds youre obviously running scared and have conceded your capitulation , something something about tasting your salty tears (which sounds gay and gross lol)

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 11:30 Some of the best Eurasian boxers are currently being avoided, such as Makhmudov, Hrgovic, Kossobutskiy, Davtaev, and Majidov in the heavyweight division. Others have been poorly managed/promoted.

Don't judge them all by mediocre, no-defense Bohachuck. For example, Madrimov is much better.

And Evgeny Tishchenko who I have seen box a few times on RCC cards on allegedly.

i saw the other day that evgeny is fighting thabiso mchunu soon, good step up

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 17:12

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 06:35 There’s this thread claiming that Eastern Europeans gaining success in the pro ranks is merely a “craze” and a “short-lived fad.”

And there’s another thread claiming that “it’s game over for pro boxing in USA when America loses the welterweight division.”

Imagine if both of these nonsense claims really were true, then which countries/geographical regions would dominate pro boxing in the future?

show me where this thread title or op says that the east euros are a fad bruh

come at me with those words, those cold, raging, throbbing hard facts to substantiate your claim

demonstrate, through adducing the appropriate evidence, that this thread is actually saying they are, and not merely raising a question that has many different possible answers (such as 'they arent a fad')

bring it homeslice, if you dont respond within 5 seconds youre obviously running scared and have conceded your capitulation , something something about tasting your salty tears (which sounds gay and gross lol)

I get it, you're trolling. Well done!

You created the thread title and its first post. People can read your words.

Nothing more needs to be said.

you capitulation is accepted, cadet

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 12:29

Cyclops wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 12:00

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 05:44
Yes. Im eastern european and generally everything east to germany italy and austria is considered eastern europe. At the least culturally. Basically post soviet countries. Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

I think of Kazakhstan as Eurasia.

Of course its eurasia. Eaurasia means the combined land mass of europe and asia. India and france are eurasia.

Isn't Kazakhstan part of the Eurasian Union?

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 05:44

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 21:00

Goodz wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 20:51 Croatia IS in eastern europe. And they are Slavics

Basically from Slovenia/Croatia/Czech Republic east towards to Asia is Eastern Europe.

It's in central and South-Eastern Europe. When I went there I didn't think of it as Eastern Europe, But whatever... Do they consider themselves an Eastern European country?

Yes. Im eastern european and generally everything east to germany italy and austria is considered eastern europe. At the least culturally. Basically post soviet countries. Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

Most of Poles do not consider themselves an Eastern European nation, some would even feel offended.

What makes Poland (or Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary...) culturally more eastern than western?

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 12:29Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

Geographically speaking, a small part of Kazakhstan is technically in Eastern Europe. But there are multiple definitions of the phrase “Eastern Europe”, which I guess means it’s open to interpretation.

It confuses the hell out of me.

What he calls ''east euro'' is in fact ''post-eastern bloc''.

aicheligad wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 12:30 What he calls ''east euro'' is in fact ''post-eastern bloc''.

True.

Fighters like Klitschko's and the heavyweights while they were active such as Ibrigamov, and Chagaev, are retired. Usyk, and Hrgovic appear to be on there way to replacing them.

Kovalev is on his way out. Beterbiev is replacing him.

GGG is old but sill on top.

So there you have it from heavyweight to middleweight. In the lower weights there is Lomo

I don't think its a fad, unless 15 years of boxing is a fad. More like they are allowed now to go professional now and they are winning belts.

Ya . Hrg is on the way to replace them, with all those great wins hrg is getting over the likes of Alexandre Kartozia

Goodz wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 20:15 Muslim Gadzhimagomedov

Muslim Gadzhimagomedov defends WBA bridgerweight belt

WBA bridgerweight champion Muslim Gadzhimagomedov (5-0) retained the title last night in Ufa (Russia) on an IBA Champions Night promotion with a unanimous decision over German challenger Leon Harth (22-6-1). The judges all had it 120-108 in favor of the champion.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 00:48 ggg (kaz, i know), loma both on way down if anything. kov almost done. govzdyk and lebedev retired, gassiev inactive. baranchyk brutally ktfo. usyk on the later part of his career and lost a lot of enthusiasm after his last fight. bert is already like 36 and fighting cans again. derevyanchankyo already like 36 and losing widely to mall


an east euro prospect serhi bohachuk just got flattened by the first good american gatekeeper he faced, a guy who didnt win a second vs an actually legit fighter, the american jermall charlo.


who do they have coming up now? was it just an east euro temporary fad?

I realise this is an old post ( March 2021 ) but the east euro craze as you call it was not a fad. Since the east euro types went professional in many of the countries that were seldom represented in boxing before, they had or have the #1 gun for most years at heavyweight, light heavyweight, and middle weight for the past 20 years. This isn't a fad, but a trend. Two decades of boxing.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 Mar 2021, 00:48 ggg (kaz, i know), loma both on way down if anything. kov almost done. govzdyk and lebedev retired, gassiev inactive. baranchyk brutally ktfo. usyk on the later part of his career and lost a lot of enthusiasm after his last fight. bert is already like 36 and fighting cans again. derevyanchankyo already like 36 and losing widely to mall

These 2 stuck out for me..

Loma is still there.. Nail has come out of retirement.

I like looking back at old posts

That Usyk guy, pfft, what ever happened to him?
The whole premise of this thread was completely retarded anyway.

Graham Earl was underrated, taking his 0 was a great win from young Ricky Burns

Romanov was a beast

Dropped tricky southpaw and British Champion Bobby Vanzie five times in way to victory , ran over Steve Murray who was a hard man and a big puncher

aicheligad wrote: ↑10 Mar 2021, 09:08

Winter king wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 05:44

Cyclops wrote: ↑07 Mar 2021, 21:00
It's in central and South-Eastern Europe. When I went there I didn't think of it as Eastern Europe, But whatever... Do they consider themselves an Eastern European country?

Yes. Im eastern european and generally everything east to germany italy and austria is considered eastern europe. At the least culturally. Basically post soviet countries. Also Kazakhstan is in the middle of asia so how is that eastern europe for you?

Most of Poles do not consider themselves an Eastern European nation, some would even feel offended.

What makes Poland (or Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary...) culturally more eastern than western?

But they are from the Eastern part of Europe, why would the be offended? because Slavs are Eastern European too or something

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021, 06:35 There’s this thread claiming that Eastern Europeans gaining success in the pro ranks is merely a “craze” and a “short-lived fad.”

And there’s another thread claiming that “it’s game over for pro boxing in USA when America loses the welterweight division.”

Imagine if both of these nonsense claims really were true, then which countries/geographical regions would dominate pro boxing in the future?

America isn't dominating too much