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oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 22:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 14:13

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 13:28 you brought up the statistics. You continued to bring up statistics, asking how many fights that Louis was knocked down in.
When I brought up the stats that favored Louis, all of a sudden the stats didn't mean anything to you! Oogiebe noticed it as well. Anyone can go back and check it.

I asked you for more stats only because you brought up the ones you like. Well, you and your henchman.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 13:28 As for Frazier being stopped by Ali- Yourself. You were factually wrong and I called you on it. First Frazier was literally never stopped. He was. Then you claim only Foreman did it. Again, not true. It is a fact that Frazier was stopped by Ali.

The point was, that Frazier had never been out. Are you really that dumb not to understand that? It should have been easier than evaluating stats.

Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 23:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 22:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 14:13
I asked you for more stats only because you brought up the ones you like. Well, you and your henchman.

The point was, that Frazier had never been out. Are you really that dumb not to understand that? It should have been easier than evaluating stats.

Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

It seems, it is your one that hurt, as you lmfaoing around here instead of replying in regard of, bruh.

Better tell us your anecdote about when Frazier was out.

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 23:49

DrDuke wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 23:40

oogiebe wrote: ↑15 Apr 2021, 22:13
Henchman? LMFAO! Your butt must be stung to shit.
Keep moving the goalposts. So now Frazier was never 'out.' C'mon Duke.

It seems, it is your one that hurt, as you lmfaoing around here instead of replying in regard of, bruh.

Better tell us your anecdote about when Frazier was out.

I'm laughing at your obvious pivot from your original point. Very clear to all.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:37

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:25

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 15:04

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:25

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 16:04 You aren't using correct terminology.

If a fighter loses because the referee stopped the fight, or if his corner would not let him continue, then he was indeed stopped. Literally stopped.

In fact when someone says Fighter A stopped Fighter B, it is usually because either the referee stopped it or Fighter B's corner stopped it.
You do not have have a 10-count for a fighter to be stopped.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:37

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 15:04

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:25

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:13 He never said he was. You were the one who said that Frazier has literally never been stopped. He was stopped three times.

And he wasn't literally stopped. He was stopped technically for those times.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:08

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:27

oogiebe wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 11:37

No no Alp, remember he has changed that to out cold.

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:23

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:08

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 14:27

Here goes the henchman. I didn't change anything, cause that was my initial point. If you don't get it, that's your problem.

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 03:00 f@ck louis vs frazier, it's an entertaining war in this thread between boxrec legends

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:23

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:08

Hey, I'm not the one who changed your argument. You did. Calling me a henchman doesn't change what you posted. Sorry Duke.

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 03:00 f@ck louis vs frazier, it's an entertaining war in this thread between boxrec legends

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:26

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:23

Of course, you're Alpy's henchman, as you always appear to support his ravings passionately.

Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:26

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 01:54
Rarely, but nice try on deflecting your moving goalposts. If you'd like I can post a summary of your comments on first; the number of knockdowns by each of these fighters and then; the number of fights each fighter got knocked down in; to then being stopped, but oh yeah, make that stopped cold. And finally, stopped literally.

If I'm not mistaken (and I'm not) that is what we were debating on prior to you resorting to name calling. So what'll it be sir?

And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

LOL!!! I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think. I'm just calling out your BS about changing the goal posts. Especially since you began the whole counting of knockdowns/stoppages/out colds/literal stoppages. For the record, I'd say Frazier was able to take more punishment as it was his style to be able to take it while boring in. To me that was easy to see. Your arguments weren't.

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:50

oogiebe wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:39

DrDuke wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 09:26
And how to determine, whose chin is better, if not to look, how fighters take punches agaist other fighters? The element of statistics is inevitable in this case. But everything has its limits. When it goes to percents and etc, it's over the top. So, stop trying to convict me in supporting the usage of stats and then going against the usage of stats, cause those attemps of yours are only the waste of time.

LOL!!! I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I couldn't care less what you think. I'm just calling out your BS about changing the goal posts. Especially since you began the whole counting of knockdowns/stoppages/out colds/literal stoppages. For the record, I'd say Frazier was able to take more punishment as it was his style to be able to take it while boring in. To me that was easy to see. Your arguments weren't.

Hmm, not trying to convince of anything, but continuing to respond.

And, again, how to determine it? You see fighter A getting decked 10 times against different fighters, you see fighter B taking all punishment against 9 fighters and then getting decked 8 times against 1 fighter. The stats tells here eveything.

But then there comes some alpy and tells ya, that fighter A and B are about the same, cause both got decked for almost the same amount of times.

So, no changing goal posts here. Just agreeing with rational evidence and disagreeing with the misleading stats.

DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 12:06

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑14 Apr 2021, 11:20 Louis was every bit as tough as Frazier.

No, he wasn't. He was floored frequently. He was KOed not once, including when he was in prime. Frazier stood up 6 times against Foreman. Frazier has never been literally stopped.