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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:24

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 16:56

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 15:52 beating pulev would be a career best win for 99 percent of heavys, especially if we just look at what theyve done lately

not at 40 tho, i mean when Danny Williams beat tyson didnt make him a world beater, i respect pulev but i thought it was could of gone either way i thought won tho i dont take any thing from dels win if you get me, just it was an entertaing fight but no meaing on the rankings. iam harsh sometimes tho i know

should we kick luis ortiz out completely because he's 42-43 then?

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:22

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:14 Chisora to 8
Pulev to 15

In the last 4 years Chisora has better wins than both Joyce, Ortiz, and Bakole. He has losses, but they were all competitive and came against fighters currently in the top 6. Ortiz also has losses, and looked pretty terrible against Martin. Joyce doesn't have any losses but has yet to fight a top 15 opponent.

Many consider Pulev could have been given the fight against Chisora. Also he has been in fairly decent form even after a spirited loss to Joshua, so I think he warrants being on the edge of top 15.

dont agree joyce win against dd was better than all of the above i would have a good dd over everyone of then, delboy lost to Agit Kabayel convincingly i dont want to run del boy down he is tough brawler but he is gate keeper to the top 10 at best 14 at most pulev is sliding out 12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:30 chisora 1-3 in last 4.........but tbf all 4 of those were against guys we ranked. he won one of those and could've gotten the decision in parker 1 too. ortiz hasnt beat a fighter we've rated in years and years. sanchez and wallin have never done it. bakole hasnt fought anywhere near the level of chizzy, etc

we cant just say 1-3 without context. would 4-0 vs all bums be superior?

for me he can go as high as #9, replacing ortiz.......but i think just switching him with pulev works here

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:38

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:30 chisora 1-3 in last 4.........but tbf all 4 of those were against guys we ranked. he won one of those and could've gotten the decision in parker 1 too. ortiz hasnt beat a fighter we've rated in years and years. sanchez and wallin have never done it. bakole hasnt fought anywhere near the level of chizzy, etc

we cant just say 1-3 without context. would 4-0 vs all bums be superior?

for me he can go as high as #9, replacing ortiz.......but i think just switching him with pulev works here

so in the last 10 years del boy has beat pulev at 40 not 4 years ago when he was a younger man and david price and he is worthy of ur top 10

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:33

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:22

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:14 Chisora to 8
Pulev to 15

In the last 4 years Chisora has better wins than both Joyce, Ortiz, and Bakole. He has losses, but they were all competitive and came against fighters currently in the top 6. Ortiz also has losses, and looked pretty terrible against Martin. Joyce doesn't have any losses but has yet to fight a top 15 opponent.

Many consider Pulev could have been given the fight against Chisora. Also he has been in fairly decent form even after a spirited loss to Joshua, so I think he warrants being on the edge of top 15.

dont agree joyce win against dd was better than all of the above i would have a good dd over everyone of then, delboy lost to Agit Kabayel convincingly i dont want to run del boy down he is tough brawler but he is gate keeper to the top 10 at best 14 at most pulev is sliding out 12

Okay.

Well, I strongly disagree with your over estimation of a green prospect fighting for the British title. Dubois isn't in the top 15 for a reason.

I also watched the Kabayel fight. Chisora was clearly there to be a resume padder and understood his role wasn't to actually win that fight. Commentary made mention that he was likely there as a favour to friends bank rolling the event. There was something very off about the whole thing, it even looked like Chisora was coaching Kabayel at points in ring. I think it's fair to say that fight 5 years ago was a low point in his career.

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:42

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:33

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:22
dont agree joyce win against dd was better than all of the above i would have a good dd over everyone of then, delboy lost to Agit Kabayel convincingly i dont want to run del boy down he is tough brawler but he is gate keeper to the top 10 at best 14 at most pulev is sliding out 12

Okay.

Well, I strongly disagree with your over estimation of a green prospect fighting for the British title. Dubois isn't in the top 15 for a reason.

I also watched the Kabayel fight. Chisora was clearly there to be a resume padder and understood his role wasn't to actually win that fight. Commentary made mention that he was likely there as a favour to friends bank rolling the event. There was something very off about the whole thing, it even looked like Chisora was coaching Kabayel at points in ring. I think it's fair to say that fight 5 years ago was a low point in his career.

dd put del boy a sleep inside 8 rds.so del boy gets in the top 10 for not losing badly good standard then

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:41

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:38

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:30 chisora 1-3 in last 4.........but tbf all 4 of those were against guys we ranked. he won one of those and could've gotten the decision in parker 1 too. ortiz hasnt beat a fighter we've rated in years and years. sanchez and wallin have never done it. bakole hasnt fought anywhere near the level of chizzy, etc

we cant just say 1-3 without context. would 4-0 vs all bums be superior?

for me he can go as high as #9, replacing ortiz.......but i think just switching him with pulev works here

so in the last 10 years del boy has beat pulev at 40 not 4 years ago when he was a younger man and david price and he is worthy of ur top 10

Takam was still seen as a dangerous opponent when Chisora stopped him (albeit against the run of play). He also brutally stopped Spilzka in a round who caused Wilder all sorts of problems.

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:45

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:42

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:33
Okay.

Well, I strongly disagree with your over estimation of a green prospect fighting for the British title. Dubois isn't in the top 15 for a reason.

I also watched the Kabayel fight. Chisora was clearly there to be a resume padder and understood his role wasn't to actually win that fight. Commentary made mention that he was likely there as a favour to friends bank rolling the event. There was something very off about the whole thing, it even looked like Chisora was coaching Kabayel at points in ring. I think it's fair to say that fight 5 years ago was a low point in his career.

dd put del boy a sleep inside 8 rds.so del boy gets in the top 10 for not losing badly good standard then

I like how you have turned a vote into an argument with anybody you disagree with before the end of the first page

Well done

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:48

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:41

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:38

so in the last 10 years del boy has beat pulev at 40 not 4 years ago when he was a younger man and david price and he is worthy of ur top 10

Takam was still seen as a dangerous opponent when Chisora stopped him (albeit against the run of play). He also brutally stopped Spilzka in a round who caused Wilder all sorts of problems.

takam has lost everyone half decent tho who has he beat of note , and who has spilzka beat no one yeah he looks the part

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:19

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:48

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:41
Takam was still seen as a dangerous opponent when Chisora stopped him (albeit against the run of play). He also brutally stopped Spilzka in a round who caused Wilder all sorts of problems.

takam has lost everyone half decent tho who has he beat of note , and who has spilzka beat no one yeah he looks the part

The trouble is, you are opening up a can of worms with that.

From what I recall, Szpilka was actually the highest ranked win on Bryant Jennings' record, slightly higher than Perez (which itself was a controversial result).

Ortiz' ranking has always been very reliant on his own win over Jennings who was coming off a loss. Jennings is also the highest ranked opponent Joyce has defeated.

We can pick apart everything to an extent.

I'm sure our divergent opinions will average out.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 05:10 It's tough to make any call on this because both guys are past it as far as setting the world alight, and it was so darn close it could have gone either way.
Same vibe with Martan Vs Ortiz- a fun fight of no real impact on the division.

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:44

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:19

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:48

takam has lost everyone half decent tho who has he beat of note , and who has spilzka beat no one yeah he looks the part

The trouble is, you are opening up a can of worms with that.

From what I recall, Szpilka was actually the highest ranked win on Bryant Jennings' record, slightly higher than Perez (which itself was a controversial result).

Ortiz' ranking has always been very reliant on his own win over Jennings who was coming off a loss. Jennings is also the highest ranked opponent Joyce has defeated.

We can pick apart everything to an extent.

I'm sure our divergent opinions will average out.

agree mate iam been obtuse in away look there is no right answers just opinions and i certainly not here to shoot yours down just a flip side of the coin

Finkel wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 23:51

brilo33 wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:44

Finkel wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:19
The trouble is, you are opening up a can of worms with that.

From what I recall, Szpilka was actually the highest ranked win on Bryant Jennings' record, slightly higher than Perez (which itself was a controversial result).

Ortiz' ranking has always been very reliant on his own win over Jennings who was coming off a loss. Jennings is also the highest ranked opponent Joyce has defeated.

We can pick apart everything to an extent.

I'm sure our divergent opinions will average out.

agree mate iam been obtuse in away look there is no right answers just opinions and i certainly not here to shoot yours down just a flip side of the coin

No worries. Meant to reply sooner, but I foolishly logged out to test something, to only discover I couldn't log back in because the forum LOG IN button is broken again.


@Ruthless-RKO you might find a lot of people can't vote on this if they haven't figured out how to log in the last few days (or however long the button has been broken)

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:41 i had del beating the following guys

parker (fight 1)
whyte (fight 1)
helenius (awful robbery)
pulev (fight 2)

+

takam
szpilka
scott
price
etc

del could easily have one of the best resumes in the division if he'd gotten a couple breaks. as it stands, he just beat our #11 who regardless of age had recently scored a good win over someone hunter and zhang couldnt beat. you cant just critique del - you have to look at the other fighters too. as i said, ortiz hasnt beaten someone ranked at the time in like 8 years, sanchez and wallin never have, helenius was ko'd by timid gerald wash , etc

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Jul 2022, 03:51

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 17:41 i had del beating the following guys

parker (fight 1)
whyte (fight 1)
helenius (awful robbery)
pulev (fight 2)

+

takam
szpilka
scott
price
etc

del could easily have one of the best resumes in the division if he'd gotten a couple breaks. as it stands, he just beat our #11 who regardless of age had recently scored a good win over someone hunter and zhang couldnt beat. you cant just critique del - you have to look at the other fighters too. as i said, ortiz hasnt beaten someone ranked at the time in like 8 years, sanchez and wallin never have, helenius was ko'd by timid gerald wash , etc

Throw in Dell doing about as well vs usyk as AJ did.

All that above and he gets 1/10th the respect ortiz gets, whos best win is what? jennings? chales martin? Christian hamer?