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Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 06:50**

They should put the fighters money in an escrow account and they only get it if all their tests
comes back negative. That might focus their minds a bit better.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 06:50**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:45
handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:36 Another prick who deserved to be rendered unconscious, as ridiculous as this is getting you just hope it's the catalyst for something to happen, boards, commissions and promoters need to step up, boxers dont have a deterrent, I've no qualms with Benn getting pelters, he's behaved like a total knob but why not the same energy for everyone else? Whyte's latest failed test is a distant memory yet for 18 months I've heard about Conor every day without fail
conor and his team put themselves in that position by constantly giving people ammo and commenting on it themselves, on a nearly daily basis, often with disdain and arrogance (eg the apologies will be as big as the criticism) and making him to be the victim. conversely, most other ped failures go into silent mode. ffs connorr's had 2 full on media campaigns/tours now. if whyte did all this we'd see more about it.

people do get selectively outraged but benn's team handled it in a way that was bound to get massive backlash, he earned all of it

Yep agreed but then again has anyone ever reacted well to a failed test and owned their sh1t? The difference here probably is that Benn and Hearn have tried to exploit the shambles of a board that is the BBBC, it's a mess, worst it's been but you'd have to be simple to believe that the juicings getting worse, it's just the testings getting better, it's just a shame that the aftermath of a failed test is shambolic

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 06:51**

Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 06:50 They should put the fighters money in an escrow account and they only get it if their test
comes back negative. That might focus their minds a bit better.

Yeh that's an idea tbf

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 08:30**

Just listening to the Larry O interview with Tris and he’s just started talking about how he got caught,
he said he was never tested prior to the one that he got caught for and even then UKAD only found a trace of one substance (EPO) when he was actually taking three at the time, EPO, testosterone and Trenbolone.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 08:38**

joshj909 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2023, 17:43 With hindsight, how annoying is it that we had to watch AJ Vs a PED using Helenius instead of a PED using Whyte.

Anyone genuinely believe Joshua isn’t using PEDs?

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 08:40**

Opponent gets booted for Peds replacement is on Peds

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 09:03**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:38
joshj909 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2023, 17:43 With hindsight, how annoying is it that we had to watch AJ Vs a PED using Helenius instead of a PED using Whyte.
Anyone genuinely believe Joshua isn’t using PEDs?

I’m interested in that answer too.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 09:11**

Who knows. From listening to Larry O talking who seems very knowledgeable on the subject he thinks at least 80% of the top fighters are likely taking something and if you time it right you won’t get caught.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 10:00**

Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:30 Just listening to the Larry O interview with Tris and he’s just started talking about how he got caught,
he said he was never tested prior to the one that he got caught for and even then UKAD only found a trace of one substance (EPO) when he was actually taking three at the time, EPO, testosterone and Trenbolone.

Was silly and probably had a negative effect using trenbolone

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 10:00**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:38
joshj909 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2023, 17:43 With hindsight, how annoying is it that we had to watch AJ Vs a PED using Helenius instead of a PED using Whyte.
Anyone genuinely believe Joshua isn’t using PEDs?

I'm curious has any other fighter had their opponent caught with a failed test
as much as Joshua has?
Seems they always have a back up plan for his guaranteed to fail opponent

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 10:17**

tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:38
joshj909 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2023, 17:43 With hindsight, how annoying is it that we had to watch AJ Vs a PED using Helenius instead of a PED using Whyte.
Anyone genuinely believe Joshua isn’t using PEDs?
I'm curious has any other fighter had their opponent caught with a failed test
as much as Joshua has?
Seems they always have a back up plan for his guaranteed to fail opponent

Great point here

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 10:49**

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:30 Just listening to the Larry O interview with Tris and he’s just started talking about how he got caught,
he said he was never tested prior to the one that he got caught for and even then UKAD only found a trace of one substance (EPO) when he was actually taking three at the time, EPO, testosterone and Trenbolone.
Was silly and probably had a negative effect using trenbolone

It what way, I guess there are side affects with them all?

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 11:00**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:17
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:38

Anyone genuinely believe Joshua isn’t using PEDs?
I'm curious has any other fighter had their opponent caught with a failed test
as much as Joshua has?
Seems they always have a back up plan for his guaranteed to fail opponent
Great point here

Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 11:13**

handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:00
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:17
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00

I'm curious has any other fighter had their opponent caught with a failed test
as much as Joshua has?
Seems they always have a back up plan for his guaranteed to fail opponent
Great point here
Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward

Suppose yeah. How many Josh ooonents have failed? Miller, Whyte, Helenius - any more?

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 11:23**

Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:49
watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 08:30 Just listening to the Larry O interview with Tris and he’s just started talking about how he got caught,
he said he was never tested prior to the one that he got caught for and even then UKAD only found a trace of one substance (EPO) when he was actually taking three at the time, EPO, testosterone and Trenbolone.
Was silly and probably had a negative effect using trenbolone
It what way, I guess there are side affects with them all?

The effects of test and epo would be beneficial but Larry was a heavyweight right? I don't know much about him. But if he a heavy trend wouldn't really help. Its good for bodybuilding and could help guys at lower weights of boxing trying to make wight and hold on to muscle possibly but mainly its real tough on the lungs. You can develop something called tren cough, feels like your coughing up metal. It can't be good for an endurance sport like boxing, it affects your breathing too much. Also it's not good for your joints unlike something like deca/nandrolone. Can give you aches and pains which wouldn't be good either for a boxer.
But it's great for bodybuilding. That with test and some deca is a great

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 12:35**

watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:23
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:49
watsupdoc87 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00

Was silly and probably had a negative effect using trenbolone
It what way, I guess there are side affects with them all?
The effects of test and epo would be beneficial but Larry was a heavyweight right? I don't know much about him. But if he a heavy trend wouldn't really help. Its good for bodybuilding and could help guys at lower weights of boxing trying to make wight and hold on to muscle possibly but mainly its real tough on the lungs. You can develop something called tren cough, feels like your coughing up metal. It can't be good for an endurance sport like boxing, it affects your breathing too much. Also it's not good for your joints unlike something like deca/nandrolone. Can give you aches and pains which wouldn't be good either for a boxer.
But it's great for bodybuilding. That with test and some deca is a great

Yes a HW, he was a big lump and looked like a bodybuilder

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 12:46**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:13
handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:00
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:17
Great point here
Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward
Suppose yeah. How many Josh ooonents have failed? Miller, Whyte, Helenius - any more?

Povetkin

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 12:53**

handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 12:46
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:13
handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:00

Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward
Suppose yeah. How many Josh ooonents have failed? Miller, Whyte, Helenius - any more?
Povetkin

Yup. But that wasn’t for the actual fight was it?

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:18**

handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 12:46
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:13
handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:00

Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward
Suppose yeah. How many Josh ooonents have failed? Miller, Whyte, Helenius - any more?
Povetkin

Takam filled in for Pulev for injury.

Povetkin tested positive for the Wilder fight

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:19**

Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:22
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 04:57
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 04:46

Probably because he’s 39 years old and not that good anyway. You can’t polish a turd as the saying goes. However it might make a huge difference to a genuine world class fighter in their prime.
Not if both of 'em are on it. Then it's a wash.
But what if someone doesn’t want to take drugs? You are then either forced to because everyone else is or compete against guys juiced up

In 2002 Fernando Vargas tested positive for PED's, Oscar De La Hoya didn't.

Remind me again. Who won that fight?

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:20**

handsofstone wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 11:00
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:17
tiny_acres wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 10:00

I'm curious has any other fighter had their opponent caught with a failed test
as much as Joshua has?
Seems they always have a back up plan for his guaranteed to fail opponent
Great point here
Not really, any promoter with a braincell should always have a backup opponent at the ready for their main event plus with the payday Joshua brings they won't be short on opponents coming forward

Joshua just seems to have more last minute replacements than any other.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:23**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 13:19
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:22
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 04:57

Not if both of 'em are on it. Then it's a wash.
But what if someone doesn’t want to take drugs? You are then either forced to because everyone else is or compete against guys juiced up
In 2002 Fernando Vargas tested positive for PED's, Oscar De La Hoya didn't.

Remind me again. Who won that fight?

You actually believe the reliability of the testing process???

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:30**

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 13:23
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 13:19
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:22

But what if someone doesn’t want to take drugs? You are then either forced to because everyone else is or compete against guys juiced up
In 2002 Fernando Vargas tested positive for PED's, Oscar De La Hoya didn't.

Remind me again. Who won that fight?
You actually believe the reliability of the testing process???

No as a matter of fact I don't. Which is a big part of the reason why I have the stance I have.

The only way to ensure everyone is playing on an even playing field is if everyone is ALLOWED to take whatever supplements they want in training.

If this guy can, but this guy can't then it's not fair.

All you need is money and a shady manager, and you'll be getting away with it for years.

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:30**

Lapin got a really nice jab, looks pretty sore

Edit just realized I'm in the wrong thread

Posted: **26 Aug 2023, 13:45**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 13:19
Controversial wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 05:22
gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Aug 2023, 04:57

Not if both of 'em are on it. Then it's a wash.
But what if someone doesn’t want to take drugs? You are then either forced to because everyone else is or compete against guys juiced up
In 2002 Fernando Vargas tested positive for PED's, Oscar De La Hoya didn't.

Remind me again. Who won that fight?

Of course it doesn’t guarantee you will win but that’s not really the point. It’s potentially giving an advantage you wouldn’t have if you didn’t take it so it’s cheating. Not everyone wants to take drugs.

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