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damage wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023, 16:46 If he's that good why have all the fighters he's trained let him go, surely they'd want to keep him if he brought success.

jwfg wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023, 16:38

coneye wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:24

Bercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39

I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

What did Angelo Dundee teach Ali?

Well one thing he did'nt teach, was something new everyday in the gym , NO ONE knows that much , but what he did do was keep Ali focused , picked up straight away when Ali was doing something wrong , and help perfect what he done correct , hence why the greatest and above all work out and plan the CORRECT stratergies to beat opponents , plus they had that trainer / boxer relationship that you get ,

Seen a million times , even watching it play out at the moment with some local ameteurs , trainer / boxer doing well along comes the smooth talker , and off goes the boxer ,, they have a couple of wins , and presto smooyh talker has more to add to his resume which was already built on the work of others , , but then boxer leaves when he relizes he's not been taught anything , he was still doing well on his previous coaches teachings , when implementing his new coaches stuff in the gym it does'nt work ,, Who has Ben Davidson taught from scratch , , what already established world champ has been to him learnt from him and stayed with him , .

Got no doubt he talks a good game , but some people along the lines of Teddy Atlas , can make counting 1,2,3, sound super intelligent ,

1328613 wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023, 20:54 You’d think by this poll that Ben won the fight for AJ. It was Otter fornicating Wallin he was fighting.

coneye wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:24

Bercli wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 13:39

jwfg wrote: ↑25 Dec 2023, 12:20 Definitely.

I'm glad to see those idiot posters who called him Boxersize Ben have changed their tune.

I disagree. One of the reasons boxing is a minority sport now is because we just do not have experienced and knowledgeable trainers any more imo. Trainers nowadays are more like personal trainers,we have to be honest here. No disrespect to the Davidson's and Shane McGuigans of this world but they are no Manny Stewards or Eddie Futches. And there are just not enough quality fighters around to continually test each and improve each other.

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

coneye wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023, 20:43

jwfg wrote: ↑27 Dec 2023, 16:38

coneye wrote: ↑26 Dec 2023, 16:24

I agree with you , personal trainers is what they are especielly Davidson , OK Ok he's trained Fury , BJS , Taylor , now AJ and thats great on his resume , BUT whats he taught any of them , whats he changed in any of them for the better , Fury well he could'nt get it right against the ltd Wilder , , and would'nt listen to experienced trainers like Roach on how to aproach it , guys a personality like you say a personal trainer , my father in law would of described him well , he would off just said Bullshit baffles Brains ,, And i think importantly , who stayed with him

What did Angelo Dundee teach Ali?

Well one thing he did'nt teach, was something new everyday in the gym , NO ONE knows that much , but what he did do was keep Ali focused , picked up straight away when Ali was doing something wrong , and help perfect what he done correct , hence why the greatest and above all work out and plan the CORRECT stratergies to beat opponents , plus they had that trainer / boxer relationship that you get ,

Seen a million times , even watching it play out at the moment with some local ameteurs , trainer / boxer doing well along comes the smooth talker , and off goes the boxer ,, they have a couple of wins , and presto smooyh talker has more to add to his resume which was already built on the work of others , , but then boxer leaves when he relizes he's not been taught anything , he was still doing well on his previous coaches teachings , when implementing his new coaches stuff in the gym it does'nt work ,, Who has Ben Davidson taught from scratch , , what already established world champ has been to him learnt from him and stayed with him , .

Got no doubt he talks a good game , but some people along the lines of Teddy Atlas , can make counting 1,2,3, sound super intelligent ,

I agree with everything you say. Also,Dundee trained Ali pretty much from the start of his pro career in 1960

a force wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 16:02 Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

a force wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 16:02 Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 18:08

a force wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 16:02 Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

I doubt he has a huge payday, nowhere near 10%, he would have got a set fee, prob one of the reasons he got the work was because he was cheap, in that he would have been trying to get a name for himself so he could charge more down the line.

Bercli wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 18:21

Coco wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 18:08

a force wrote: ↑28 Dec 2023, 16:02 Why would he bitter about Fury, Saunders & Taylor leaving him? He’s not brought them through. He probably couldn’t believe his luck that he’s got huge pay days off doing very little.

If McCormack & anyone else he brings through leave him before their big fights we’ll see if he’s bitter.

I doubt he has a huge payday, nowhere near 10%, he would have got a set fee, prob one of the reasons he got the work was because he was cheap, in that he would have been trying to get a name for himself so he could charge more down the line.

I agree. I'd be shocked if he was the main trainer for Joshua's vacant world title fight

Bigdogsnose wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023, 16:03 Regardless what you think of Ben Davison (not a huge fan myself), its a no brainer to keep him.

AJ aint gonna be learning fcuk all new now.

Keep it simple, he'll have confidence, doesnt need to fcuk about. Trust himself again.

high tower 1 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023, 20:52 Yes. Don’t like Ben but on this occasion his positive motivation chat working out.

coneye wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023, 23:04

high tower 1 wrote: ↑31 Dec 2023, 20:52 Yes. Don’t like Ben but on this occasion his positive motivation chat working out.

Why because AJ beat a guy he could of , would off beat when he come straight out of the ameteurs . Aj would off pit him to sleep for a week , 6-7 years ago

bogan whisperer wrote: ↑01 Jan 2024, 00:10 Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

Bercli wrote: ↑01 Jan 2024, 13:24

bogan whisperer wrote: ↑01 Jan 2024, 00:10 Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

If that's the case,employ him as a cheerleader

Bercli wrote: ↑01 Jan 2024, 13:24

bogan whisperer wrote: ↑01 Jan 2024, 00:10 Joshua needs to feel special and be kept happy and Davison is very good at that. Plus, if he bothers to listen, Joshua may actually learn something from him as well.

If that's the case,employ him as a cheerleader