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samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:12
And earned the right not to take the low side with his performances. Its not difficult.

And the small matter of 3 belts.

It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:52

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:25

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

He quit camp because he had had enough of being jerked about by Fury, who never wanted the fight.

In credibility terms, Fury is now a busted flush. But, it seems he would rather be known as a bottle job than actually getting beat, which might have happened against Uysk.

Even Matt Macklin and Johnny Nelson are saying the Fury didn't fancy it against Uysk, and they are fellow pros.

Alex Krassyuk said Fury wasn’t to blame. Krassyuk knows why Usyk fled. The Sky pundits don’t.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:37

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:12
And earned the right not to take the low side with his performances. Its not difficult.

And the small matter of 3 belts.

It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

you realise a flight to poland isn't a one way trip? It's not like he was on a nazi cattle truck is it. It's a 3 hour flight, he could easily fly back.

Given the fact Fury, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN TRAINER, wasn't even in camp at all, I think it's pretty clear which of the two fighters had the most serious intention to fight.

I wish you would shut up now, you're embarrassing yourself.

As predicted by myself and others just minutes ago, Warren is now talking about Fury retiring.

I expect that in the next days or weeks, Steward will also announce he is no longer working with Fury - I get the impression he's fed up already of working with Fury, as he is full of shite and chaotic.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:29

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:25

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

He quit camp because he had had enough of being jerked about by Fury, who never wanted the fight.

In credibility terms, Fury is now a busted flush. But, it seems he would rather be known as a bottle job than actually getting beat, which might have happened against Uysk.

Even Matt Macklin and Johnny Nelson are saying the Fury didn't fancy it against Uysk, and they are fellow pros.

It seems like the fight was agreed until Usyk’s team brought up the rematch split. Usyk quit camp and headed for Poland before it was negotiated.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:56

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:37

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

you realise a flight to poland isn't a one way trip? It's not like he was on a nazi cattle truck is it. It's a 3 hour flight, he could easily fly back.

Given the fact Fury, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN TRAINER, wasn't even in camp at all, I think it's pretty clear which of the two fighters had the most serious intention to fight.

I wish you would shut up now, you're embarrassing yourself.

As predicted by myself and others just minutes ago, Warren is now talking about Fury retiring.

I expect that in the next days or weeks, Steward will also announce he is no longer working with Fury - I get the impression he's fed up already of working with Fury, as he is full of shite and chaotic.

I’m embarrassing myself and you’re banging on about Emmanuel Steward.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:36 Usyk may as well have said he’d take 20%. It’s irrelevant because he did a runner.
Frank actually said that Usyk’s team accepted a bet with him for the £1m.
How do the charities or the war effort benefit from Usyk spending the winter in Turkey before fleeing for Poland?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:56

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:37

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

you realise a flight to poland isn't a one way trip? It's not like he was on a nazi cattle truck is it. It's a 3 hour flight, he could easily fly back.

Given the fact Fury, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN TRAINER, wasn't even in camp at all, I think it's pretty clear which of the two fighters had the most serious intention to fight.

I wish you would shut up now, you're embarrassing yourself.

As predicted by myself and others just minutes ago, Warren is now talking about Fury retiring.

I expect that in the next days or weeks, Steward will also announce he is no longer working with Fury - I get the impression he's fed up already of working with Fury, as he is full of shite and chaotic.

I’m embarrassing myself and you’re banging on about Emmanuel Steward.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:56 I’m embarrassing myself and you’re banging on about Emmanuel Steward.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15
It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

The Gratest wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:20 Sugar Hill appears to be trying to distance himself from the whole fiasco. Must've been frustrating trying to get going with Okolie, yet having to let Fury perform that fake workout on the bag alongside Okolie. He seems to be the only one from the Fury side keeping his dignity and not letting out a deluge of lies. It wouldn't be surprising if there's a split there soon.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:12

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47
Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

Krassyuk played that interview with a very straight bat. What he was actually saying was that no-one was particularly to blame as everyone had their own requirements.

The implication was, however, that it was Fury’s requirements that weren’t being met (and you could tell that from F W also)

You have to remember that Krassyuk (who definitely didn’t blame Usyk) has a vested interest in this fight happening so was being ambassadorial.

Please stop saying Usyk quit camp. It’s ludicrous. Fury wasn’t even in camp - according to his own trainer.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:12

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47
Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

Krassyuk played that interview with a very straight bat. What he was actually saying was that no-one was particularly to blame as everyone had their own requirements.

The implication was, however, that it was Fury’s requirements that weren’t being met (and you could tell that from F W also)

You have to remember that Krassyuk (who definitely didn’t blame Usyk) has a vested interest in this fight happening so was being ambassadorial.

Please stop saying Usyk quit camp. It’s ludicrous. Fury wasn’t even in camp - according to his own trainer.

887986 wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:06

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:36 Usyk may as well have said he’d take 20%. It’s irrelevant because he did a runner.
Frank actually said that Usyk’s team accepted a bet with him for the £1m.
How do the charities or the war effort benefit from Usyk spending the winter in Turkey before fleeing for Poland?

You absolute pelican.

Fury went back and forth on his word about the rematch. Usyk didn't even want it in the first place. Then he agreed and suggested the rematch should be 70/30 for the winner of the first fight.

I stress this one out once again because I've seen you enough twisting and turning around everything in order to desperately find a pro-Fury angle and defend the indefensible. One might say you act in debates like you were "a conger eel all oiled up".

Usyk didn't just want 70% for himself in the rematch. He was willing to risk taking 30% again in case Fraudy wins the first fight. That's how confident he was he would beat the ogre.

But Fury turned it down. Imagine the scenes: he offered an insulting 30% to the reigning unified champion, never meant to be accepted of course. Then when his bluff was called, he said he'd changed his mind again and wanted a rematch again where Usyk takes 50% if he wins the first fight but he takes 80% if he wins the first fight.

Imagine this: "Hey, undefeated and reigning unified heavyweight champion of the world, here is my offer: you take 30% in the first fight and in case you beat me in my own backyard where the odds would be stacked heavily against you with my referee, my judges, my venue, my crowd, you'll get 50% for the rematch as undefeated and newly crowned undisputed heavyweight champion of the world. On the other hand, I get a guaranteed 70% for the first fight, and 80% for the second if I win the first. Good deal, yeah?"

That was the point Usyk had enough. After making concessions about:
- getting dragged away from Saudi where he already made a deal
- being denied the 50/50 split he was promised by both Arum and Warren last year
- fighting in Fury's backyard no less where a points decision would have almost surely been awarded to his opponent
- being denied a 60/40 split for the winner
- being insulted and disrespected with a 30% lowball offer
- being pushed around with the "rematch on, rematch off, then it's on again" shenanigans
- being denied the "70/30 in the rematch for the winner of the first fight" offer
- being insulted and disrespected by an "even though you'd be undisputed by then, it's 50% in the rematch for you" offer

... so after all this, Usyk had enough, upon realising no matter what he agrees to, there will always be something else. That's where he drew the line. No champion ever in the history of the sport would have NOT walked away after the 30% thing. And while you made no comments when Usyk kept making concession after concession after concession, giving in to all demands of Fury while not demanding anything himself, you have the f*cking cheek to say "he did a runner".

Absolutely boggles the mind, you really are just a useless troll, as others keep saying it.

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:34 If one side is acting in bad faith there isnt any negotiation.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:12

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:47
Because there was no chance of a deal being done, rowing back on everything and renegotiating previously agreed terms. Fury has shit the bed, its plain as day.

The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

Krassyuk played that interview with a very straight bat. What he was actually saying was that no-one was particularly to blame as everyone had their own requirements.

The implication was, however, that it was Fury’s requirements that weren’t being met (and you could tell that from F W also)

You have to remember that Krassyuk (who definitely didn’t blame Usyk) has a vested interest in this fight happening so was being ambassadorial.

Please stop saying Usyk quit camp. It’s ludicrous. Fury wasn’t even in camp - according to his own trainer.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:15

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:12

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:05
Usyk took the sh#t end of the stick financially against Bellew, Chisora and Joshua. He turned down the Fury fight in December and has missed the Ukrainian winter by staying in warmer climes before fleeing back home.

And earned the right not to take the low side with his performances. Its not difficult.

And the small matter of 3 belts.

It’s irrelevant what his team said they would accept. He’d quit camp and headed home.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:41

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:34 If one side is acting in bad faith there isnt any negotiation.

Krassyuk said Fury wasn’t to blame. That doesn’t suit your argument.
Fleeing to Poland wasn’t good faith.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:42

Frostieballs wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:12

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 04:53
The rematch terms weren’t agreed. Alex Krassyuk said Fury was not to blame.

Krassyuk played that interview with a very straight bat. What he was actually saying was that no-one was particularly to blame as everyone had their own requirements.

The implication was, however, that it was Fury’s requirements that weren’t being met (and you could tell that from F W also)

You have to remember that Krassyuk (who definitely didn’t blame Usyk) has a vested interest in this fight happening so was being ambassadorial.

Please stop saying Usyk quit camp. It’s ludicrous. Fury wasn’t even in camp - according to his own trainer.

Yes, it's pretty clear from Warren's interview, that the breakdown in negotiation was due to Fury's demands, and that the two promoters basically did everything they could.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:41

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:34 If one side is acting in bad faith there isnt any negotiation.

Krassyuk said Fury wasn’t to blame.

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:50

BigDoofus wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:41

samwbr wrote: ↑24 Mar 2023, 05:34 If one side is acting in bad faith there isnt any negotiation.

Krassyuk said Fury wasn’t to blame. That doesn’t suit your argument.
Fleeing to Poland wasn’t good faith.

Fleeing haha. Your boy has got feet of clay, hard for you to accept clearly.
If Fury wanted this fight it would be signed and we could all look forward to it.