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gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:30

Horse wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:27 Cheers, gilgamesh.

You paid your money. You deserve to know what was said. Glad you appreciate it because it took a lot of effort

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:30

Horse wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:27 Cheers, gilgamesh.

You paid your money. You deserve to know what was said. Glad you appreciate it because it took a lot of effort

Aye well played Gil

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:30

You paid your money. You deserve to know what was said. Glad you appreciate it because it took a lot of effort

Aye well played Gil

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:47

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:46

Aye well played Gil

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

We all know you have a quick trigger when it comes to Haye or Fury!

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:50

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:47

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

We all know you have a quick trigger when it comes to Haye or Fury!

Andre Dirrell and Adrien Broner pull the quick trigger too

Robert Guerrero did as well, but thankfully he's not around anymore.

I previously had a big problem with Deontay Wilder also, but his performance against Luis Ortiz went a long way in him gaining my respect.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:55 In the case of most fighters who make my sh*t list, they can still redeem themselves through showings of courage or otherwise impressive performances.

Fury, Haye, Dirrell and Robert Guerrero are some of the only people that ever earned themselves a permanent stay on my sh*t list where there's pretty much nothing they could ever do to change my opinion of them.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:02

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:55 In the case of most fighters who make my sh*t list, they can still redeem themselves through showings of courage or otherwise impressive performances.

Fury, Haye, Dirrell and Robert Guerrero are some of the only people that ever earned themselves a permanent stay on my sh*t list where there's pretty much nothing they could ever do to change my opinion of them.

The book isn't closed on Fury yet though Gil?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:03

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:02

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:55 In the case of most fighters who make my sh*t list, they can still redeem themselves through showings of courage or otherwise impressive performances.

Fury, Haye, Dirrell and Robert Guerrero are some of the only people that ever earned themselves a permanent stay on my sh*t list where there's pretty much nothing they could ever do to change my opinion of them.

The book isn't closed on Fury yet though Gil?

It's not closed on his career, but he'll never be able to do anything where I wouldn't hate him with a passion.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:07

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:03

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:02

The book isn't closed on Fury yet though Gil?

It's not closed on his career, but he'll never be able to do anything where I wouldn't hate him with a passion.

Who would you root for in a Haye v Fury match up?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:09

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:07

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:03

It's not closed on his career, but he'll never be able to do anything where I wouldn't hate him with a passion.

Who would you root for in a Haye v Fury match up?

I'd root for the fight to go 12 hard fought rounds with both fighters battering, and bloodying each other up to the max, and then both land a KO shot at the last possible second, and it ends in a Double Knockout draw so that they both lose.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:46

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 19:30

You paid your money. You deserve to know what was said. Glad you appreciate it because it took a lot of effort

Aye well played Gil

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

I appreciate it though. I try to look out for my fellow fight fans. Even if I get a little over the top in my opinions from time to time.

ewenhay wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:23 You boys are sadists if you want to see Bellew in with Fury. That only ends one way and it isn't pretty for Bellew

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:05

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 08:46

Aye well played Gil

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

I appreciate it though. I try to look out for my fellow fight fans. Even if I get a little over the top in my opinions from time to time.

No, credit where it is due, that was a fantastic show of generosity to your fellow man.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:09

ewenhay wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:23 You boys are sadists if you want to see Bellew in with Fury. That only ends one way and it isn't pretty for Bellew

I'm not saying Bellew beats Fury, but considering Fury has never really been a big puncher, it's no higher risk than taking on the likes of Haye. I think Bellew makes a fight of it, and is beaten on points, largely because of range issues (Bellew gives 7 inches away to Fury), but fancy Bellew to catch Fury at least once if it turns out to be a slug-fest on the inside.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:09

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:05

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46

See, I do something incredibly nice like this, and a few people acknowledge it. I sh*t on David Haye, and nobody lets me hear the end of it

People see what they wanna see I guess.

I appreciate it though. I try to look out for my fellow fight fans. Even if I get a little over the top in my opinions from time to time.

No, credit where it is due, that was a fantastic show of generosity to your fellow man.

And I don't even recall ever particularly getting along with Horse at any point in the past so it goes to show that I can let bygones be bygones fairly easy (with my fellow Boxrec'ers at least), and extend a helping hand as needed.

He probably thought I was kidding with him when I offered to do the transcript for him, but I was sincere, and I just did it anyway because I really felt bad for the guy that he paid his money and got jipped out of seeing part of the show. That ain't right. Anybody deserves to get what they paid for.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:11

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:09

ewenhay wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:23 You boys are sadists if you want to see Bellew in with Fury. That only ends one way and it isn't pretty for Bellew

I'm not saying Bellew beats Fury, but considering Fury has never really been a big puncher, it's no higher risk than taking on the likes of Haye. I think Bellew makes a fight of it, and is beaten on points, largely because of range issues (Bellew gives 7 inches away to Fury), but fancy Bellew to catch Fury at least once if it turns out to be a slug-fest on the inside.

I've never seen anything from Fury to expect that he'd deal out a heavy beating to anybody. He might outbox some people thoroughly, but I can't see him working over anybody in a "brutal" fashion. Even Bellew.

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:11

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:09

I'm not saying Bellew beats Fury, but considering Fury has never really been a big puncher, it's no higher risk than taking on the likes of Haye. I think Bellew makes a fight of it, and is beaten on points, largely because of range issues (Bellew gives 7 inches away to Fury), but fancy Bellew to catch Fury at least once if it turns out to be a slug-fest on the inside.

I've never seen anything from Fury to expect that he'd deal out a heavy beating to anybody. He might outbox some people thoroughly, but I can't see him working over anybody in a "brutal" fashion. Even Bellew.

Well I think it is fair to say that prior to the first Haye - Bellew fight, Haye was regarded as someone with one punch knockout power. In two fights, Bellew has been tagged with a number of big shots, and eaten them all up for supper, with nothing more than a wobble. I think many underestimate 1) Bellew's power and 2) Bellew's chin.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:22

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:17

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 16:11

I've never seen anything from Fury to expect that he'd deal out a heavy beating to anybody. He might outbox some people thoroughly, but I can't see him working over anybody in a "brutal" fashion. Even Bellew.

Well I think it is fair to say that prior to the first Haye - Bellew fight, Haye was regarded as someone with one punch knockout power. In two fights, Bellew has been tagged with a number of big shots, and eaten them all up for supper, with nothing more than a wobble. I think many underestimate 1) Bellew's power and 2) Bellew's chin.

Yeah even though he was knocked out by Adonis Stevenson that could've been almost as much a case of him being just too big for the Light Heavyweight division, and having drained too much as much as anything else. Draining to make weight don't help nobody. He's certainly looked better above Light Heavyweight, I don't think anybody could dispute that.

The way Haye's feet were set the whole time in the 2nd fight I don't think he even could've gotten a lot of power on his shots against Bellew. He tried his best, but something was off in his whole approach (probably just the injuries adding up). He couldn't get full force on his shots.

sweetmagee wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 18:05 Smith mentioned there that there were rumours of Haye having flown to Germany this week....exactly like last time. Sky forgot to mention that in the build-up. Haye looked shot / plodding and dragging his right leg throughout. Fair play to Bellew though - nicely done.

sweetmagee wrote: ↑07 May 2018, 04:59 Yes, Adam Smith definitely mentioned a 'rumoured' trip to Germany - think it was just after the stoppage. I forget the exact wording but I'm sure I heard it and it sounded like he was referring to this fight, so not Haye's trip to Germany last time round.