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Ossyrules wrote:Yes good posters let there emotions get the better of them with fury, and under estimate what having the biggest height and reach advantage in boxing and knowing how to use it. He moves extremely well for his size also and knows how to do 12 rounds. Cue Ali jokes and how silky fury is not.

He’s basically not as bad as is made out, and the argument Wlad did nothing is really quite simple in my view.

candyslim wrote:
I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

candyslim wrote:
I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

gilgamesh wrote:

candyslim wrote:
I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

Ossyrules wrote:
For being 6ft 9 and 250+ lbs, he does move well. It’s not whittaker before people start thinking that I think fury is the dancing queen, but his movement combined with being the biggest facker out there was his biggest strength.

Saying Wlad just didn’t fight isn’t really an argument mate

gilgamesh wrote:

Ossyrules wrote:
For being 6ft 9 and 250+ lbs, he does move well. It’s not whittaker before people start thinking that I think fury is the dancing queen, but his movement combined with being the biggest facker out there was his biggest strength.

Saying Wlad just didn’t fight isn’t really an argument mate

Kalan wrote:
What you're missing is Fury doesn't run, because he can defend himself extremely well.. He tried to fight Wladimir inside and with Wladimir doing nothing but trying to grab and hold -- which only got him spun around with Tony Weeks jumping in continually.. Weeks should have left them fight and warned Wladimir more about holding and getting turned around.. Wladimir made the fight a farce. Fury didn't... Fury ripped Dereck Chisora apart on the inside and stopped him.. Both Pulev and Whyte had VERY hard times with Chisora, so he's not a bad fighter.

Fury is a guy 6'9" tall with an inside game... He's suffering from mental illness and that's just something he has to deal with.

Buster Douglas suffered from mental illness as well.. "Fear of success" or whatever.. NOBODY who lets that kind of potential slide who's right in the head.

gilgamesh wrote:Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson in the greatest upset in the history of Professional Sports...

Tyson Fury won the Heavyweight Title in a staring contest ... No comparison between the two.

Kalan wrote:
What you're missing is Fury doesn't run, because he can defend himself extremely well.. He tried to fight Wladimir inside and with Wladimir doing nothing but trying to grab and hold -- which only got him spun around with Tony Weeks jumping in continually.. Weeks should have left them fight and warned Wladimir more about holding and getting turned around.. Wladimir made the fight a farce. Fury didn't... Fury ripped Dereck Chisora apart on the inside and stopped him.. Both Pulev and Whyte had VERY hard times with Chisora, so he's not a bad fighter.

Fury is a guy 6'9" tall with an inside game... He's suffering from mental illness and that's just something he has to deal with.

Buster Douglas suffered from mental illness as well.. "Fear of success" or whatever.. NOBODY who lets that kind of potential slide who's right in the head.

Badhusker wrote:I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

gilgamesh wrote:

candyslim wrote:
I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

gilgamesh wrote: Also for the record. I'm not blinded by an emotional reaction. I'm judging Tyson Fury based on his in-ring Boxing. I don't think much of him as a man either, but my critiques of him come from his performances in the ring.

Badhusker wrote:I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Ossyrules wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 05:09

Badhusker wrote:I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Weird comment to make considering Ali was completely done at 39/40, and Wlad clearly wasn’t based on the Joshua fight. Wlad turned in a bad performance vs fury. How much Wlad was bad and how much it was fury made it bad is debatable.

Age is relative to the individual basically.

Additionally the bigger guys are, the less output they have. This doesn’t excuse the low output of that fight, but it’s a factor

Badhusker wrote: ↑01 Nov 2017, 07:22

Ossyrules wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 05:09

Badhusker wrote:I give Fury as much credit as anyone beating a 39 or 40 year old Ali. Almost any heavyweight could have beat Wlad that night. The two were part of the worst heavyweight championship fight (any championship fight) in history as far as punches thrown and landed. Need I say more?

Weird comment to make considering Ali was completely done at 39/40, and Wlad clearly wasn’t based on the Joshua fight. Wlad turned in a bad performance vs fury. How much Wlad was bad and how much it was fury made it bad is debatable.

Age is relative to the individual basically.

Additionally the bigger guys are, the less output they have. This doesn’t excuse the low output of that fight, but it’s a factor

candyslim wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 03:36

gilgamesh wrote:

candyslim wrote:
I find it odd and amusing how good judges are often blinded by an emotional reaction to fighters they have taken against. Tyson Fury was never a poor fighter. I don't think he has great technique in the purest sense, I mean if he were 6' 3" he would be nowhere near as effective, but at 6' 8" and knowing how best to utilize that advantage (which not all tall fighters do) allied to excellent mobility and good stamina makes (or made) him a difficult opponent for anyone. It was no accident that Wlad looked so poor in that fight, he just didn't know how to cope with being the shorter man and trying to land on someone so unorthodox, who was never there to be hit. It was a poor spectacle but Fury succeeded in having Wlad totally bamboozled. Whether or not he could have adapted and coped better in the rematch is a moot point. As for Fury not having the balls, you have heard of mental illness, yes? He wasn't scared of Wlad before he beat him, why would you imagine he'd be scared of him after he proved he could beat him?

Tyson can be hurt and the memory of him being floored by Cunningham doesn't fill me with confidence that Wilder or Joshua wouldn't at some point nail him, but to write him off as sh*t and give him no chance is plain silly in my opinion.

Yes I've heard of mental illness, My girlfriend has a history of mental illness, and has had stays in Mental Health clinics. In the case of Tyson Fury I don't buy it.

Tyson Fury certainly knows how to use his height to his advantage, but he doesn't have good movement and "excellent mobility". He's slow, and it's not hard to cut the ring off against him. Wladimir just didn't fight against him. That's all the story of that fight will EVER be no matter how many times you guys try to pretend it's something else.

If Tyson Fury comes back and actually manages to beat some credible opponents that are actively trying to defeat him I might be impressed. Frankly, I don't think he's capable of doing that.

gilgamesh wrote: Also for the record. I'm not blinded by an emotional reaction. I'm judging Tyson Fury based on his in-ring Boxing. I don't think much of him as a man either, but my critiques of him come from his performances in the ring.

A man of Fury's size is never going to move like a featherweight but his movement and elusiveness compare favourably to any heavyweight currently active. Whatever criticisms you level at Fury, and there are plenty that can be made. that to me is self-evident. I'm sorry if you took exception to my description as an emotional reaction but I can only see a lack of objectivity based on your dislike of the man.

Fury wasn't remotely intimidated by Klitschko in the run up to his challenge and as you yourself have pointed out, Klitschko did not do a great deal in the fight. We shall have to agree to differ as to the explanation for that. There is no reason that Fury who had done such a good job of getting inside Klitschko's head and fukcing with him, would feel cowed by the prospect of a rematch and even if the rematch would have involved a systematic beating (which I'm sure it wouldn't) any professional heavyweight would be willing to risk that for the enormous payday involved. A man whose mind is perfectly healthy is not going to walk away from that, certainly not a man like Fury.

The way that Fury disposed of the likes of Chisora and Hammer are also indicative of a boxer not entirely devoid of talent. I'm not saying the guy is better than Joshua or Wilder necessarily, but he is one of a select few that I would give a respectable chance of beating them. If you can't see that there is nothing more I can say.