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Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:45 There are some here that will not put Wilder into tier one over Joshua, even if he beats Joshua.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 11:22

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 11:15

candyslim wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 05:22 I'm not writing off Parker but when you look at his performances it doesn't look good for him ...

Takam: I thought Parker won a close fight. You could make a case for Takam winning and he wasn't troubled by Parkers' power.

Ruiz: i thought Parker won a close fight. You could make a case for Ruiz winning and he wasn't troubled by Parkers' power.

Razvan Cojanu: Unlike Takam and Ruiz, Cojanu is a rather limited opponent. He didn't remotely threaten to win but he wasn't troubled by Parkers' power either.

Fury: Did rather kill the fight but if you take the literal view about boxing being the art of hitting without being hit, and about the number of punches landed, then there was only one winner and it wasn't Parker.

Now this is heavyweight boxing, anything can happen. Joshua still has a few unresolved questions, notably regarding his chin and his stamina, but realistically he is 20 and 0 with 100% Knockout ratio for a reason, If Parker doesn't have the power to bother those guys, I can't really see him as the man to expose AJ's deficiencies and relieve him of his titles.

Good summary. Joshua is The Champion and this comes from a yank who is a Wilder fan.

tier one
Joshua

tier two
Wilder

tier three
Parker
Ruiz
Hughie
Povetkin
Pulev
Takam
Miller
Ortiz

Povetkin is still tier one with Joshua. He's Joshua's biggest threat. The rest are all tier two. Wilder got outboxed by Szpilka and fatboy Ortiz.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:47

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 11:22

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 11:15

Good summary. Joshua is The Champion and this comes from a yank who is a Wilder fan.

tier one
Joshua

tier two
Wilder

tier three
Parker
Ruiz
Hughie
Povetkin
Pulev
Takam
Miller
Ortiz

Povetkin is still tier one with Joshua. He's Joshua's biggest threat. The rest are all tier two. Wilder got outboxed by Szpilka and fatboy Ortiz.

Wilder is bigger threat for AJ than aging Povetkin. Plus Povetkin is taylor-made for Joshua stylistically. He was eating uppercuts all night long against Eddie Chambers, so he will be an easy target for Joshua's murderous right uppercut. Even Wlad, who threw about 1 uppercut per 10 fights, hurt Povetkin with uppercuts a couple of times in the seventh round.

Povetkin is more skilled than Wilder and probably has better chin but that's it. Wilder is much taller, faster, he is really awkward fighter and he hits harder than Povetkin.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:43 I'd love to pick Parker, but that showing against Fury troubles me. I'm afraid it'll be like Mercer and Morrison...several good rounds for Parker and then...WHAM! LIghts out.

Grailer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:53

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:43 I'd love to pick Parker, but that showing against Fury troubles me. I'm afraid it'll be like Mercer and Morrison...several good rounds for Parker and then...WHAM! LIghts out.

Name 2 heavyweight’s that have beaten Huggy Fury ?

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:14 Wilder barely got past Ortiz. Got outboxed and almost KO'd. He's not a whole tier above Ortiz.

Tier 1: Povetkin, Joshua
Tier 2: Wilder, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, Ruiz Jr.
Tier 3: Miller, Takam, Huey
Tier 4: Duhaupus, Browne, Whyte
Tier 5: Mansour, Breazeale, Kownacki, Kabayel, Charr, Chisora

Noteworthy prospects: Kuzmin, Hrgovic, Yoka, Dubois, ect.

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:14 Wilder barely got past Ortiz. Got outboxed and almost KO'd. He's not a whole tier above Ortiz.

Tier 1: Povetkin, Joshua
Tier 2: Wilder, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, Ruiz Jr.
Tier 3: Miller, Takam, Huey
Tier 4: Duhaupus, Browne, Whyte
Tier 5: Mansour, Breazeale, Kownacki, Kabayel, Charr, Chisora

Noteworthy prospects: Kuzmin, Hrgovic, Yoka, Dubois, ect.

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:58

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

And Klitchko had a better resume than Joshua...Frazier had a better resume than Foreman, etc....so?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:14 Wilder barely got past Ortiz. Got outboxed and almost KO'd. He's not a whole tier above Ortiz.

Tier 1: Povetkin, Joshua
Tier 2: Wilder, Ortiz, Parker, Pulev, Ruiz Jr.
Tier 3: Miller, Takam, Huey
Tier 4: Duhaupus, Browne, Whyte
Tier 5: Mansour, Breazeale, Kownacki, Kabayel, Charr, Chisora

Noteworthy prospects: Kuzmin, Hrgovic, Yoka, Dubois, ect.

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

Wlad was the same age when he fought Povetkin as Lewis was when he fought Vitali. He also had much longer career comparing to Lennox, and he took sustained beatings for 6 minutes against Purritty, 3 minutes against Brewster and 3 minutes against Sanders. Lewis never toolk sustained beatings like Wlad did. He was just knocked out twice with a single punch. So Wlad was probably even more washed-up than Lewis was at 37. Wlad definitely was on decline when he beat Povetkin.

Povetkin himself started to decline at 37 too. He didn't look imppressive against Rudenko and Hammer. He isn't the same fighter he used to be.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:35

Povetkin Tier 1? I am assuming you mean a juiced up Povetkin, not the guy that was non-competitive against Wlad.

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

Wlad was the same age when he fought Povetkin as Lewis was when he fought Vitali. He also had much longer career comparing to Lennox, and he took sustained beatings for 6 minutes against Purritty, 3 minutes against Brewster and 3 minutes against Sanders. Lewis never toolk sustained beatings like Wlad did. He was just knocked out twice with a single punch. So Wlad was probably even more washed-up than Lewis was at 37. Wlad definitely was on decline when he beat Povetkin.

Povetkin himself started to decline at 37 too. He didn't look imppressive against Rudenko and Hammer. He isn't the same fighter he used to be.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:58

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

And Klitchko had a better resume than Joshua...Frazier had a better resume than Foreman, etc....so?

You can see the clear chasm in talent between Povetkin and Wilder. That's why I also talked about that. You zoomed in on my resume note. Try reading my whole post.

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:13

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:05

oogiebe wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:58

And Klitchko had a better resume than Joshua...Frazier had a better resume than Foreman, etc....so?

You can see the clear chasm in talent between Povetkin and Wilder. That's why I also talked about that. You zoomed in on my resume note. Try reading my whole post.

Povetkin would have a chance against Wilder, but only because Wilder doesn't use his jab like he should. Wilder can fight on the inside, but Povetkin is sneaky the way he dives in and throws hooks and over-hand rights. Wlad negated that easily by tying him up, but if you watch the fight, Povetkin gave him no choice. Wilder would probably catch him coming in. There is an outside chance Povetkin can duck under and catch Wilder like he did Perez, but doubtful. I think Ortiz is better than Povetkin over-all easily imo.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:12

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:06

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 19:56

Povetkin currently has the deepest, best resume at HW. He's also extremely talented. He'd KO Wilder by getting on the inside. Wilder has been looking great against counter-punching plodders. Povetkin will not be hanging around on the outside like Stiverne and Ortiz.

Also, he was non-competitive against the best version of Klitschko who broke every rule in boxing by acting like a human octopus.

Wlad was the same age when he fought Povetkin as Lewis was when he fought Vitali. He also had much longer career comparing to Lennox, and he took sustained beatings for 6 minutes against Purritty, 3 minutes against Brewster and 3 minutes against Sanders. Lewis never toolk sustained beatings like Wlad did. He was just knocked out twice with a single punch. So Wlad was probably even more washed-up than Lewis was at 37. Wlad definitely was on decline when he beat Povetkin.

Povetkin himself started to decline at 37 too. He didn't look imppressive against Rudenko and Hammer. He isn't the same fighter he used to be.

You don't understand HW aging. That was a horrible comment.

After he defeated Povetkin, Klitschko goes on top put on a career-high performance against Pulev, the #2 HW at the time. Saying he was washed-up is so far from the mark that it's laughable.

You can say that about his fight with Joshua, but certainly not against Povetkin considering he goes on to put a career best performance after.

Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:182013

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:18

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:12

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:06
Wlad was the same age when he fought Povetkin as Lewis was when he fought Vitali. He also had much longer career comparing to Lennox, and he took sustained beatings for 6 minutes against Purritty, 3 minutes against Brewster and 3 minutes against Sanders. Lewis never toolk sustained beatings like Wlad did. He was just knocked out twice with a single punch. So Wlad was probably even more washed-up than Lewis was at 37. Wlad definitely was on decline when he beat Povetkin.

Povetkin himself started to decline at 37 too. He didn't look imppressive against Rudenko and Hammer. He isn't the same fighter he used to be.

You don't understand HW aging. That was a horrible comment.

After he defeated Povetkin, Klitschko goes on top put on a career-high performance against Pulev, the #2 HW at the time. Saying he was washed-up is so far from the mark that it's laughable.

You can say that about his fight with Joshua, but certainly not against Povetkin considering he goes on to put a career best performance after.

I disagree on Pulev fight being his best performance ever. It was a great performance because Pulev choose the wrong tactics - he tried to outfight a fighter with much bigger punching power. And Wlad got hit with good punches a lot more against Pulev than is any other succesfull title defense of his career. Wlad also was hurt by Pulev's jab at the beginning of round one - it was the first time when he was hurt since the first Samuel Peter fight.

Grailer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:29 Parker’s win over Ruiz and Fury who were both young undefeated contenders and still are highly ranked contenders even after losing is a lot better than beating a grandfatherly washed up Klitschko who Joshua had trouble against.

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:18

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:12

Boxing Writer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:06
Wlad was the same age when he fought Povetkin as Lewis was when he fought Vitali. He also had much longer career comparing to Lennox, and he took sustained beatings for 6 minutes against Purritty, 3 minutes against Brewster and 3 minutes against Sanders. Lewis never toolk sustained beatings like Wlad did. He was just knocked out twice with a single punch. So Wlad was probably even more washed-up than Lewis was at 37. Wlad definitely was on decline when he beat Povetkin.

Povetkin himself started to decline at 37 too. He didn't look imppressive against Rudenko and Hammer. He isn't the same fighter he used to be.

You don't understand HW aging. That was a horrible comment.

After he defeated Povetkin, Klitschko goes on top put on a career-high performance against Pulev, the #2 HW at the time. Saying he was washed-up is so far from the mark that it's laughable.

You can say that about his fight with Joshua, but certainly not against Povetkin considering he goes on to put a career best performance after.

I disagree on Pulev fight being his best performance ever. It was a great performance because Pulev choose the wrong tactics - he tried to outfight a fighter with much bigger punching power. And Wlad got hit with good punches a lot more against Pulev than is any other succesfull title defense of his career. Wlad also was hurt by Pulev's jab at the beginning of round one - it was the first time when he was hurt since the first Samuel Peter fight.

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:49 pulev would get his head taken off by aj and wilder

Grailer wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:50

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:49 pulev would get his head taken off by aj and wilder

The Wilder who was outboxed by Washington?

jamamb wrote: ↑10 Mar 2018, 20:49 pulev would get his head taken off by aj and wilder