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oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:26 It's not like he was offered less than 1 million. He made his choice to not accept the fight. He's not a huge PPV draw and maybe 4/5 million was the right offer.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:30 Exactly what I posted before. He's really deluded to think he is some PPV attraction on his own.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:34 Dillian Whyte was offered a smaller payday to face AJ for the second time than the purse he was paid for the Dereck Chisora rematch. This was not disputed by Eddie Hearn.

Coincidentally, shortly after ‘The Body Snatcher’ declined Matchroom’s offer to engage in the rematch with Anthony Joshua, Eddie Hearn subsequently offered the bout to Jarrell Miller instead and even provided the American with a bigger purse than the sum that Whyte was offered. The package was supposedly $6.96m.

The Matchroom boss argued that Whyte should have taken the bout, regardless the small purse being offered, because beating AJ in front of 100,000 people at Wembley would have given Dillian the ownership of the “keys to the kingdom”, which essentially means accept the lowball bid for the sake of seeking sporting glory rather than being paid your financial self-worth.

Dillian Whyte’s next outing against Oscar Rivas next month will be the fourth PPV event that he’s headlined. And I cannot name any heavyweight fighter, not named Anthony Joshua, that can boast about headlining so many PPV events.

Also, Eddie Hearn initially presented a $4m offer to Deontay Wilder to defend his WBC world championship against Dillian Whyte, the American’s average payday at that point in time for his previous seven title bouts was merely $1.28m.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, by demanding $7m instead. However, Wilder then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m.

Shortly after Deontay's bout against Luis Ortiz, Eddie Hearn submitted a second offer to Wilder, which was $8m. This was rejected also.

These are facts that can easily be verified and were corroborated by all parties concerned.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 03:35 The Ring should rate Ruiz as number one.
No matter who you personally believe is the best, Wilder, Fury, whoever, The Ring rated Joshua as number one and Ruiz beat him. That should give Ruiz the spot.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:20

Dillian Whyte has earned the right to avoid being exploited.

He’s not the only fighter to reject opportunities to face marquee names due to receiving lowball offers. Fight fans weren't demanding any of those guys to take a pay cut, so what's so different about Dillian Whyte?

gp. wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:14 No he hasn't. You can't earn anything in boxing. You have to buy it off the people who have it at the price they set. Boxing shouldn't be like that, but it is.

Nobody's demanding he take a pay cut. It's up to him. I am just saying if he wants to make money,and the champions, as you believe, are scared of him, it makes sense for him to cut his price to the point where it's an offer they can't refuse. When he wins, he becomes the seller, and sets his own price.

If they weren't scared of him (I am not saying they are, you are) they'd probably pay him more. That's the commercial reality.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:24 Why pretend that I have written something when it’s totally obvious that I haven't? Is this some sort of debating tactic, such as a strawman fallacy?

Don't misrepresent my claims or employ red-herring debating tactics, simply because it’s far easier to undermine something utterly bizarre rather than directly challenging anything I’ve actually written.

Please quote my actual words and attack them head-on.

gp. wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:33 You say they are ducking him. Why else would they be ducking him? If you prefer replace that with "they don't want to fight him". That's your contention, isn't it?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 13:44 Commercial or financial reasons. Boxing is a business.

Wilder will side with Haymon/Showtime/Fox.

Fury will side with Arum/Wärręn/ESPN/BT.

Joshua will side with Hearn/DAZN/Sky.

Dillian Whyte is self-managed, as well as being a promotional and network free agent.

None of the main players (promoters or networks) wants to lose control over the ownership of the belts or see their most-prized assets devalued due to defeat... and Dillian Whyte represents an unnecessary risk.

I’ve already said this. And I can prove this. Please keep up.

There’s also the risk versus reward ratio to consider too.

Fighters “duck” for a variety of reasons and I’m supremely confident that almost none of those instances were driven by fear.

gp. wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 14:01 Christ you use a lot of words to say nothing. If they think he's an unnecessary risk then they are afraid they might lose to him, ffs. If they weren't, he wouldn't be a risk. They are afraid of losing the belts to him.

If you don't like the word "afraid", say "concerned". It really isn't important, stop focusing on it. The point is you say they don't want to fight him. If they don't want to fight him, he has to make it attractive for them.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 14:21 People make decisions strategically and are often risk averse. That doesn’t mean they possess any emotion when they decide things.

You’re desperately trying to pretend I wrote something you cannot possibly prove, because it never happened... ever!

Insult me all you like, but I haven’t lied, but you clearly have and you appear to be highly-embarrassed about being exposed.

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 14:21 People make decisions strategically and are often risk averse. That doesn’t mean they possess any emotion when they decide things.

You’re desperately trying to pretend I wrote something you cannot possibly prove, because it never happened... ever!

Insult me all you like, but I haven’t lied, but you clearly have and you appear to be highly-embarrassed about being exposed.

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 14:21

Keep trying, it’s just far too easy!

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 16:10 Another EO hijacked thread on a miniscule point no one cares about. FFS, this was supposed to be about Fury. Now it's about the top 10 ducking Whyte because Whyte isn't being offered his self perceived market value! LMFAO!

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 16:16 Lol, he just needs a stiff one.

oogiebe wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 16:24 Cock or drink?!

jamamb wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 16:33 well, if he does things right he can drink from the cock , solves two birds with one stone