Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 23:03
Move those goalposts!
You arent good at debating EO. You dont understand the objective.
Even worse you think your good so you look dumb
That’s the EO paradox right there, the disjunction between the level of his content and the level he rates it. It’s crushing to read
He's excellent at copying and pasting details of fighter's careers, i'll give him that. Although, anyone could really do that if they had enough spare time, it's just that most realise it's just regurgitating info that's easily available anyway and no-one's that interested in lengthy, boring, repetitive posts, especially ones that are repeated numerous times.
He does lack that indepth knowledge of the sport though, that part clearly comes shining through. It's what people with limited knowledge on subjects do, try to disguise it with way too many words. Under the fluff, there's more fluff.
Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 05:56
Embarrassing from EO yet again. Writes multiple long posts about a boxer he’s clearly barely watched.
I've probably watched more of his fights than you have.
And it must be "embarrassing" for you to be unable to challenge anything I've written?
Come on kid, give me your best! Since you're unable to challenge my knowledge, you might as well respond with another insult instead, eh?
Because that's the automatic default reply you use whenever someone overwhelms you with frustratingly accurate facts!
If all else fails, just say something irrelevant and derogatory! You're like a child accusing me of being a "big meany" for saying something you wish weren't true!!!
Calzaghe is relatively local to me, I followed his career closely from when he was an amateur. I’ve seen all of his pro fights and was lucky enough to attend quite a few of them. I’ve also met him a bunch of times
How many boxing shows have you attended, out of interest?
If I get especially bored in front of this year’s crushingly bad Christmas TV I might transpose EO’s ‘but looks at how weak his resume is!’ histrionics onto one of his fave fighters, the decorated Vitali Klitschko.
Or maybe I’ll have something better to do, like pairing up socks for four hours
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 23:03
Move those goalposts!
You arent good at debating EO. You dont understand the objective.
Even worse you think your good so you look dumb
That’s the EO paradox right there, the disjunction between the level of his content and the level he rates it. It’s crushing to read
He's excellent at copying and pasting details of fighter's careers, i'll give him that. Although, anyone could really do that if they had enough spare time, it's just that most realise it's just regurgitating info that's easily available anyway and no-one's that interested in lengthy, boring, repetitive posts, especially ones that are repeated numerous times.
He does lack that indepth knowledge of the sport though, that part clearly comes shining through. It's what people with limited knowledge on subjects do, try to disguise it with way too many words. Under the fluff, there's more fluff.
if you asked him to describe a pivot he’d give the dictionary definition
DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 11:10
Calzaghe was good, but he was better offensively than defensively, lacked power and was floored on several occasions. So, he could be outworking Canelo, like many did, but he won't tag Canelo too much and definitely he wouldn't hurt granite-chinned Canelo, while Joe's solid punch output would leave a lot of openings for the great counter-puncher in Canelo.
Canelo by dec or late stoppage.
Calzaghe got dropped twice a Super-middle, but his chin was excellent, if Canelo is unable to stop Callum Smith I think there is virtually no chance he stops Calzaghe.
DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 11:10
Calzaghe was good, but he was better offensively than defensively, lacked power and was floored on several occasions. So, he could be outworking Canelo, like many did, but he won't tag Canelo too much and definitely he wouldn't hurt granite-chinned Canelo, while Joe's solid punch output would leave a lot of openings for the great counter-puncher in Canelo.
Canelo by dec or late stoppage.
Calzaghe got dropped twice a Super-middle, but his chin was excellent, if Canelo is unable to stop Callum Smith I think there is virtually no chance he stops Calzaghe.
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
DrDuke wrote: ↑20 Dec 2020, 11:10
Calzaghe was good, but he was better offensively than defensively, lacked power and was floored on several occasions. So, he could be outworking Canelo, like many did, but he won't tag Canelo too much and definitely he wouldn't hurt granite-chinned Canelo, while Joe's solid punch output would leave a lot of openings for the great counter-puncher in Canelo.
Canelo by dec or late stoppage.
Calzaghe got dropped twice a Super-middle, but his chin was excellent, if Canelo is unable to stop Callum Smith I think there is virtually no chance he stops Calzaghe.
Callum Smith went survival on the back foot.
Calzaghe would go for it and work way more.
Canelo would have more counter opportunities against Calzaghe for sure, but I think he would also be less offensive than usual for himself due to Calzaghe's constant pressure, making a stoppage highly unlikely for me.
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑23 Dec 2020, 22:40
Therefore calzaghe is the more accomplished 168 and 175 pound fighter
You dont address styles usually because you dont have that level of understanding of the sport you are an internet expert in
Canelo has struggled with fighters quicker than him. He has looked great against slower guys.
He counters well with a left hook but would have trouble landing with calzaghes odd southpaw angle. He wouldnt smother and hold like bernard so calzaghe would overwhelm him with punches
lazboy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 10:04
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
depends which body type turns our boi gil on more....sure, canelo's got those thick muscles, but joe might appeal to those who prefer a more natural slim look
lazboy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 10:04
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
depends which body type turns our boi gil on more....sure, canelo's got those thick muscles, but joe might appeal to those who prefer a more natural slim look
lazboy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 10:04
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
What in the f*ck are you talking about?
I've never seen either one of these guys out of shape.
Joe Calzaghe with his footwork, lightning hands and granite chin was a nightmare for most opponents. He would easily beat Canelo on points by at least 8 rounds to four.
Canelo of course would no more agree to fight him than he would Billy Joe Saunders.
Not unless he had at least 2 judges and a referee in his pocket.
Plus choice of venue and permissable PEDs.
Plus some re-hydration weight clause.
Plus the usual short notice take it or leave it option.
After all that, and with a heavily reddened face, he'd miraculously scrape a split decision win and claim there was no need to do it again.
Canelo is currently practically unbeatable.
He even got one judge scoring his one sided schooling against Mayweather a draw -
CJ Ross's 114 -114.
That and Adalaide Byrde's 118 - 110 are Canelo's greatest accomplishments so far in his professional career.
And as for that stomach-churning grovelling apology from Sulaiman for the unpardonably sinful result of the 2 failed VADA drug tests.
Oh mighty Saul, we the most unworthy, beg forgiveness.
What would his majesty like his breakfast tray made out of, 'rosewood...mahogany...teak?'
lazboy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 10:04
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
What in the f*ck are you talking about?
I've never seen either one of these guys out of shape.
Totally get it, you’re attracted to both but you’d be doing boxing a disservice if you scored it a draw.
lazboy wrote: ↑24 Dec 2020, 10:04
Just thinking how Gilgamesh would score this one...on the one hand Canelo has the more defined body....on the other, oh wait that’s the only thing that matters. Gilgamesh scores all rounds to Canelo.
What in the f*ck are you talking about?
I've never seen either one of these guys out of shape.
Totally get it, you’re attracted to both but you’d be doing boxing a disservice if you scored it a draw.
No idea what you're driving at here. I'd score the fight to the guy that fought better.
I see the thread took on a bit of a twist.
Interesting to see how high jc's stock has risen over time. He was never looked at as p4p #1 as canelo is now.
I would see it as a very competitive fight. Canelo's defense is superb right now, and he looks like one of the best ever. Jc is a proven great at 168.
I could see jc nicking a split decision on work rate down the stretch.
It's sobering to think how badly canelo dominated smith, and made him look so inept. But we know ggg, lara, trout, fm, gave him very good fights.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 12:02
Wasn't Calzaghe about to hang 'em up in 2007?
I'd say he loses to a Canelo who's in his prime still in 2020.
But the very best version of Calzaghe beats Canelo.
As I know, Calzaghe had defeated Kessler 2007 at SMW, and after that moved up at LHW (and defeated two top level opponents).
it'd be a competitive bout, but I think Canelo closer to his prime now than Calzaghe was then. It's worth noting though that Calzaghe went on probably his most significant run as his career was winding down so maybe he never really hung around long enough to be past his prime.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑25 Dec 2020, 12:02
Wasn't Calzaghe about to hang 'em up in 2007?
I'd say he loses to a Canelo who's in his prime still in 2020.
But the very best version of Calzaghe beats Canelo.
As I know, Calzaghe had defeated Kessler 2007 at SMW, and after that moved up at LHW (and defeated two top level opponents).
it'd be a competitive bout, but I think Canelo closer to his prime now than Calzaghe was then. It's worth noting though that Calzaghe went on probably his most significant run as his career was winding down so maybe he never really hung around long enough to be past his prime.
As I know, Calzaghe had defeated Kessler 2007 at SMW, and after that moved up at LHW (and defeated two top level opponents).
it'd be a competitive bout, but I think Canelo closer to his prime now than Calzaghe was then. It's worth noting though that Calzaghe went on probably his most significant run as his career was winding down so maybe he never really hung around long enough to be past his prime.
I apologize because of sending an empty post.
When was Joe Calzaghe's prime ? For me it is very difficult to say, almost impossible (like FMJ, Pac or Ward, too).
