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mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

dr_devious wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 19:31 4 points to Usyk is bollox

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:31 Fury lost clearly.

Delighted that he has to go around crying about a robbery now while everyone with sense thinks he lost but the ones closest to him have to toe the line by feeding his ego.

Meanwhile everyone else knows he lost.

Clearly beaten twice by a "small cruiserweight".

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:14

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:30

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

What did you score it tonight? Roughly, if you didn't keep count.

I felt Fury fought safer tonight and looked at the start like he might be fighting a better fight than last time but overall lost too many rounds.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:32

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:33

joshj909 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:30

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

What did you score it tonight? Roughly, if you didn't keep count.

I felt Fury fought safer tonight and looked at the start like he might be fighting a better fight than last time but overall lost too many rounds.

Usyk by a couple. Usyk wins the later stages of the round more often which helps.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:30

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

You think he tried too hard?

I mean first fight was split decision.

This one was unanimous.

Many said fury performed better today. Maybe cus he didn’t showboat and stayed focused.

But the fact that Usyk just matched him, tells you a lot.

No shame in losing to Usyk twice.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:21 If nothing else, I do hope this puts to rest the stupid idea that 'smaller' heavyweights wouldn't stand a chance against the super heavies of today.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:25 Although I play my role as a fan boy on here, I am very realistic in real life on Tyson... I don't think he's been good since and during Wilder 3. The signing of the Del fight was a huge red flag and the Ngannou performance shocking. I believe he trained his hardest and tried his best with Usyk but it just wasn't enough. I thought he fought better in the first fight.

NazNaci1 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:21 If nothing else, I do hope this puts to rest the stupid idea that 'smaller' heavyweights wouldn't stand a chance against the super heavies of today.

Exactly. Part of the problem with this generation is that it is geared around being much bigger, heavier etc....when you don't need to be, to beat them or to be the best.

Coco wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:49 Height, weight and reach advantages are big advantages

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:31 Fury lost clearly.

Delighted that he has to go around crying about a robbery now while everyone with sense thinks he lost but the ones closest to him have to toe the line by feeding his ego.

Meanwhile everyone else knows he lost.

Clearly beaten twice by a "small cruiserweight".

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:53 being naturally bigger is an advantage (to a point, i dont think being 7'5 400 is necessarily a benefit), but it's just one among many factors at play.

usyk size wise......it's funny he's considered a small hw today. historically he's actually bigger than most. 6'3, 78 inch reach, still in shape around 220. when he was a cruiser he was about 210 on fight night, only after getting himself completely ripped.

by comparison, jack johnson, called a giant in his day, was 6 feet, with a 74 inch reach, weighing in the 180s-190s on fight daoy on ocassion. thats light heavyweight size today. some of his opponents were the size of welters today

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 21:05

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Dec 2024, 20:53 being naturally bigger is an advantage (to a point, i dont think being 7'5 400 is necessarily a benefit), but it's just one among many factors at play.

usyk size wise......it's funny he's considered a small hw today. historically he's actually bigger than most. 6'3, 78 inch reach, still in shape around 220. when he was a cruiser he was about 210 on fight night, only after getting himself completely ripped.

by comparison, jack johnson, called a giant in his day, was 6 feet, with a 74 inch reach, weighing in the 180s-190s on fight daoy on ocassion. thats light heavyweight size today. some of his opponents were the size of welters today

Yeah but in fairness Johnson was literally over a century ago, pretty much a different sport then really. But plenty of heavies over the last 40-50 years would give today's giants lots of problems, if only for their ability to fight the distance without gassing. Peak Holyfield would be about as bad a matchup for Fury as I can imagine.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑01 Feb 2023, 08:56 Tyson Fury honestly views him as no real challenge because the man is not much bigger than Tyson Fury's wife.