has anyone else

[p4p1]

ever had a top 2 draft pick and 12 weeks in not won a version of a title with him other than crease?

[allworld80]

Going backwards

MW Season

#1 pick - Greb (managed by Hitman) won the WBA title in week 9
#2 pick - Hagler (managed by F.O.L.) won the IBF title in week 6

WW Season

#1 pick - Ray Robinson (managed by 'geto) - won the WBC title in week 7. Also unifed all 5 belts in week 10 (IBO was still around then)
#2 pick - Ray Leonard (managed by Kevo) - Leonard's first title shot didn't come until week 24 where he lost a decision to Napoles. His next shot came in week 30, and again lost a decision to Napoles. He finally got the job done in week 32, when he lifted all 5 belts from Robinson (26-4-1 at the time) with a stunning first round TKO.

[glittermonkey]

Can't be arsed to check, but I remember Pep having a struggle at the start of the season. Can't remember if Saddler too time to settle too.

What I do know is that Sanchez beat them both in the elims. Hardest path to a title ever.

[p4p1]

Yes now I remember leonards slow start well maybe there is hope for crease yet

[Deno1986]

Can't be arsed to check, but I remember Pep having a struggle at the start of the season. Can't remember if Saddler too time to settle too.

What I do know is that Sanchez beat them both in the elims. Hardest path to a title ever.

Goddamnit GM! You have exposed me. Pep was a slow starter to the Featherweight season, it took the Million Dollar Tourny to kickstart his career:

Willie 'Will'o the Wisp' Pep


W 13 (KO 2) L 5 (KO 1) D 2
Week 20:W Sandy Saddler: MD ~WBC, WBO , WBA Featherweight Titles
Week 19:W Alexis Arguello: UD ~WBC, WBO, WBA Featherweight Titles
Week 18:W Vicente Saldivar: MD ~MDF Tournament Final & WBO Featherweight Title
Week 17:W Israel Vazquez: UD ~MDF Tournament Semi-Final
Week 16:W Jem Driscoll: SD ~MDF Tournament Quarter Final
Week 15:W Juan Laporte: MD ~MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 14:L Young Griffo: SD ~MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 13:W Johnny Dundee: UD ~ MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 12:D Manny Pacquaio
Week 11:W Johnny Dundee: UD
Week 10:L Henry Armstrong: UD ~NABA Featherweight Title
Week 9: L Manny Pacquaio: MD
Week 8: W Chalky Wright: TKO3
Week 7: L Salvador Sanchez: TKO7 ~ WBC Featherweight Title
Week 6: W Abe Attell: TKO9 ~ WBC Featherweight Title Eliminator
Week 5: D Marco Antonio Barrera: FIX
Week 4: W Ricardo Cordoba: UD
Week 3: L Rafael Marquez: UD
Week 2: W Vicente Saldivar: MD
Week 1: W Benny Bass: SD

[p4p1]

Yes but by the looks of it he had some very tough fights that there is no shame in losing and losing to RAF Marquez in that season is not embarressing he was on his way to a HOF career

[jBacca]

P4P, check the matchup thread for potential developments.

[Crease]

ever had a top 2 draft pick and 12 weeks in not won a version of a title with him other than crease?

People fear Joe. It's really that simple.

[kevo]

Pep was a slow starter to the Featherweight season, it took the Million Dollar Tourny to kickstart his career:

Same with SRL. Think i'll enter Ali this season.

[BoxBuzz]

Two Words on the OTHER SIDE of this coin......... Maxie Rosenbloom........


one of the DEAD LAST pics.....and he trampled over the top draft choices like they were so much old confetti from last years ticker tape parade.

I'ts all about the art of judgment, matchmaking, decision making and properly nuanced premium management.


When you are dealt cards like Duran and Louis and you still find a way to flounder......well the results tell the whole sordid story.

[hitman09]

All those fighters have the excuse of having taken tough fights, though.

[BoxBuzz]

ever had a top 2 draft pick and 12 weeks in not won a version of a title with him other than crease?

People fear for Joe. It's really that simple.

FIxed!

[Crease]

ever had a top 2 draft pick and 12 weeks in not won a version of a title with him other than crease?

Joe needs a better manager to win a title. It is really that simple

FIxed!

That is correct.

[kevo]

All those fighters have the excuse of having taken tough fights, though.

Bingo.

[glittermonkey]

Can't be arsed to check, but I remember Pep having a struggle at the start of the season. Can't remember if Saddler too time to settle too.

What I do know is that Sanchez beat them both in the elims. Hardest path to a title ever.

Goddamnit GM! You have exposed me. Pep was a slow starter to the Featherweight season, it took the Million Dollar Tourny to kickstart his career:

Willie 'Will'o the Wisp' Pep


W 13 (KO 2) L 5 (KO 1) D 2
Week 20:W Sandy Saddler: MD ~WBC, WBO , WBA Featherweight Titles
Week 19:W Alexis Arguello: UD ~WBC, WBO, WBA Featherweight Titles
Week 18:W Vicente Saldivar: MD ~MDF Tournament Final & WBO Featherweight Title
Week 17:W Israel Vazquez: UD ~MDF Tournament Semi-Final
Week 16:W Jem Driscoll: SD ~MDF Tournament Quarter Final
Week 15:W Juan Laporte: MD ~MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 14:L Young Griffo: SD ~MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 13:W Johnny Dundee: UD ~ MDF Tournament Group Stage
Week 12:D Manny Pacquaio
Week 11:W Johnny Dundee: UD
Week 10:L Henry Armstrong: UD ~NABA Featherweight Title
Week 9: L Manny Pacquaio: MD
Week 8: W Chalky Wright: TKO3
Week 7: L Salvador Sanchez: TKO7 ~ WBC Featherweight Title
Week 6: W Abe Attell: TKO9 ~ WBC Featherweight Title Eliminator
Week 5: D Marco Antonio Barrera: FIX
Week 4: W Ricardo Cordoba: UD
Week 3: L Rafael Marquez: UD
Week 2: W Vicente Saldivar: MD
Week 1: W Benny Bass: SD

Shame that season ended so abruptly. Sanchez was Pep's mando, Marquez was still kicking arse, Arguello had risen to the top, I'm sure that Saldivar had come good, and there were still guys like Saddler and Armstrong at the top of the rankings. Feather needs to be done again at some point.

[hitman09]

I'd like Bantam next. Or Lightweight.