Where are our stars of the future!

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 11 Feb 2004, 18:41

Who knows of any stars of the future. I do not see any british fighters making a serious threat like Hamed threatened to do a few years ago.
Harrison,Brodie have showed their limitations already

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Hatton`s people are so sure of him they won`t let him have it with Witter,and we all know what happened to Witter when he fought a world class fighter

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Audley is almost middle aged, but the heavies are clean out of talent so he just might get something.
Karl Froch will get knocked out when he gets moved up,those hands down,well he gets hit now..
Who do you think can make it?

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 11 Feb 2004, 18:47

tonyevs wrote:Who knows of any stars of the future. I do not see any british fighters making a serious threat like Hamed threatened to do a few years ago.
Harrison,Brodie have showed their limitations already .
Hatton`s people are so sure of him they won`t let him have it with Witter,and we all know what happened to Witter when he fought a world class fighter .
Audley is almost middle aged, but the heavies are clean out of talent so he just might get something.
Karl Froch will get knocked out when he gets moved up,those hands down,well he gets hit now..
Who do you think can make it?

David Haye is a potential superstar. I also have a good feeling about Lawrence Murphy. If the Scot does a number on Farnell next month, then Sky will get behind him in a big big way.

jeej · Post by **jeej** » 11 Feb 2004, 19:17

I was just about to say David Haye, but you beat me to it!

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 11 Feb 2004, 19:33

I am really worried about the future of British Boxing at the moment, i mean look at all of our best fighters at each weight class and honestly think of one who could really make an impact at world level? I mean a real impact like Lewis or Hamed (well sort of) did, i can't see any making any impact let alone reigning as any sort of super champion. The future looks bleak

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 11 Feb 2004, 19:43

David haye didn`t he get knocked down recently? there was another prospect a few years ago who got knocked down early in his career then looked very good untill his chin let him down,went by the name of Rhodes.
Hayes looks good so far but not special..we`ll see

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:31

IMO Carl Froch, David Haye, Enzo Maccarinelli and Audley are the next British boxers to have a chance of the big time.

There are a number of up and comers who with a lot of hard work could make impressions in years to come, such as Kevin Mitchell, Lenny Dawes, Kevin Anderson, Michael Lomax, Roman Greenburg (not strictly British).

I have not seen Bernard Dunne fight yet, but he is getting rave reviews also

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:38

Haye will be a world champion within 3 years.

Do not doubt it!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:42

I do doubt it....and will continue to do so until he's in a serious fight. I've nothing against Haye at all, he's got some outstanding assets, but he's still a young pro with plenty of learning fights ahead of him, same goes for Froch.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:45

It's easy to doubt when a boxer has not had any 'serious' fights... anyone can do that.

Haye will be a world champion.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:51

Haye & Froch have the amateur grounding to suggest they will go far (i.e. one day hold a genuine world title)

Otherwise...Dawes, Mitchell..and eventually Amir Khan (hopefully) could all come through to "that level".

Admittedly there isn't much though. Enzo..?? NO WAY.

You don't get beat by Lee Swaby and go on to anything great...

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 12 Feb 2004, 07:53

Is Amir Khan the guy going to te olympics or is that someone else?

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:03

Mitchell looks a big talent, as long as they match him carefuly ( joke

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Warren defintely sees him as his pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Audley, Haye, Froch could all go far - assuming last two learn to keep the hands up a bit more.

Might seem a long shot now, but I've got a feeling Alex Arthur can come back strong.
Other than an amateurish defence, he didn't show any unfixable weakness' against Gomez. At least he displayed the heart for a battle and his chin looked good enough too. The Gomez left hook would put most fighters in trouble when it lands flush like that.
I hope the late stopage didn't ruin him, and it's good news he's off to the USA for sparring.

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:07

Loftgroov wrote:Haye & Froch have the amateur grounding to suggest they will go far (i.e. one day hold a genuine world title)

Otherwise...Dawes, Mitchell..and eventually Amir Khan (hopefully) could all come through to "that level".

Admittedly there isn't much though. Enzo..?? NO WAY.

You don't get beat by Lee Swaby and go on to anything great...

Enzo has got fantastic punching power, which puts him in with a good chance in any fight and with the Cruiserweight division not exactly brimming with talent I think he has potential to do well. Unfortunately his chin doesn't seem to be the greatest, but if he can keep a tight defence and keep banging like he has been doing recently I don't see no reason why he can't make waves in the Cruisers. I am a big fan of his, so I would say that

Chambers · Post by **Chambers** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:09

MightyWarrior wrote: Might seem a long shot now, but I've got a feeling Alex Arthur can come back strong.
Other than an amateurish defence, he didn't show any unfixable weakness' against Gomez. At least he displayed the heart for a battle and his chin looked good enough too. The Gomez left hook would put most fighters in trouble when it lands flush like that.
I hope the late stopage didn't ruin him, and it's good news he's off to the USA for sparring.

I agree with your assessment of Alex Arthur, I think he will do well in the future

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:17

Personally, I think it's unavoidable but to doubt a fighter until they have been in against serious opposition.

Nigel Benn looked like an unstoppable behemoth until of course he ran into the first guy with the confidence and skills to box him off, and got annihilated by Michael Watson.

He did turn out out to be a bloody good fighter in the end, but the flaws which were shown up that night, were never really totally rectified, they were too ingrained in his style by the time he fought and trained out of America.

The same dangers await Froch and Haye I feel, unless they get out of the habit of carrying their left hands by their bollocks.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:17

Tony Doherty had pro written all over him in the Amateur game - not been so impressed as I thought I would be since he's turned pro - although my viewing of him has been limited. He seems to be carrying condition and I think could drop a weight.

But, he is the one I'm viewing.

I like the looks of Michael Hunter and Steve Foster, but their in devisions dominated by the Mexicans - and they are breed differently to us.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:20

Chambers wrote:
Loftgroov wrote:Haye & Froch have the amateur grounding to suggest they will go far (i.e. one day hold a genuine world title)

Otherwise...Dawes, Mitchell..and eventually Amir Khan (hopefully) could all come through to "that level".

Admittedly there isn't much though. Enzo..?? NO WAY.

You don't get beat by Lee Swaby and go on to anything great...
Enzo has got fantastic punching power, which puts him in with a good chance in any fight and with the Cruiserweight division not exactly brimming with talent I think he has potential to do well. Unfortunately his chin doesn't seem to be the greatest, but if he can keep a tight defence and keep banging like he has been doing recently I don't see no reason why he can't make waves in the Cruisers. I am a big fan of his, so I would say that

British champion one day (at best)

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2004, 08:26

Lest we forget, Carl Thompson had success enough to get a WBO title, and I don't think Carl is exactly the most multi-dimensional fighter ever, nor did he have a great chin either.

Sometimes you can go a long way on not much except doing 1 thing well. Enzo certainly hits hard, and has bloody good handspeed.

Enzo v Haye would be a cracker.

Hardhitters11 · Post by **Hardhitters11** » 12 Feb 2004, 09:11

Enzo doesnt impress me in the slightest,It just shows what dire straights our domestic scene is in if he can be considered a star!!

Haye if he shores up his defence a little could go far.

Dawes,Mitchell and Khan look the part thus far but its way to early to judge.

Froch is another one who I am far from impressed by...

All in all its looking pretty desperate but a few years time and it could all be different.

HH

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 12 Feb 2004, 09:14

stujones wrote:Tony Doherty had pro written all over him in the Amateur game - not been so impressed as I thought I would be since he's turned pro - although my viewing of him has been limited. He seems to be carrying condition and I think could drop a weight.

But, he is the one I'm viewing.

I like the looks of Michael Hunter and Steve Foster, but their in devisions dominated by the Mexicans - and they are breed differently to us.

Doherty was a sparkling junior for the Welsh - I will be watching his professional progression with some interest.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 12 Feb 2004, 10:01

Problem is we've been spoiled by the Lewis/Hamed era and to a lesser extent Benn/Eubank.

I don't think the outlook is that bleak at all, in fact it looks better than I thought it would post Lewis/Hamed, just need to accept we may not produce another P4P ranked fighter for a while....

No reason why many of our prospects can't continue to be competative on the world scene though.....

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2004, 10:03

It is true actually. Talent's like Hamed's and Lewis' are as rare as hen's teeth, Lewis made a much better go of his than Hamed's but arguably Hamed was the bigger talent of the two.

I think there are probably more talents around today than we have had for a fair while, but in the development of that talent is where we go wrong.

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 12 Feb 2004, 10:08

Agreed, I would love to see the likes of Kevin Mitchell get sent out to the US for 18 months for the experience. He can still beat up patsys on fight night to pad up the record to SN's liking but the sparring would be what it would be all about.

tonyevs · Post by **tonyevs** » 12 Feb 2004, 11:22

Were we really spoiled for talent in the Lewis/Hamed era?
The best men on Hamed`s record that he beat were well past their prime when he fought them.
And just when he had everybody watching, he shows we have all been fooled by the hype and looses to the first live fighter,A fighter who prefered the super-bantam division at that.

Lewis I feel was the best out there at the time but he did not get the chance to prove it(not his fault) after the Ruddock fight he could have proved beyond doubt what he could have done,but sadly never got the chance because the big names avoided him until late in their careers.
And people mentioning Amir Khan at this stage, this is years too yearly to tell.
Front page on Boxing news and already the hype goes into overdrive.
Let us not forget he has only just started fighting men and how many other amateurs over the years have done well in the unpaid ranks and failed in the pro`s. When Wayne McCullough won silver in the olympics his team mate won gold, who got to be world champion in the paid ranks and what did the other achieve?
Carl Froch will get steered towards a IBO,WBF or something similar, there he will stay untill a mediocre fighter gets lucky enough to win a real belt, then his people will be do their best to get a fight against this man knowing he will have an even chance..much the same as Calzaghe is doing with Johnson.
I get the impression Haye will go for a real belt regardless, he looks a better prospect of the two.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Feb 2004, 11:46

I disagree about Froch, I got the chance to interview him a while back, and he told me that he intends to go the British/European/World title route, which makes it seem to me at least, that he intends to go for a real belt.

Say what you want about Hamed, but his talent was undeniable, he was already on the slide by the time he got to America, the only man in the division who had a better record than him was Barrera and of course Morales at that point.

I think the tendency for British fighters not to fight abroad at all these days is what is hurting their developement more than anything, those that do, tend to develop into far better all around fighters, and when the big money fight comes in the US, they aren't fazed by it.

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