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What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

My top 6

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Sam Langford
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Ezzard Charles

I made it 6, because to me these are the clear top 6

Edit: Though I have very little between Langford and Fitz, and any of the rest could quite easilly be swapped around. I don't think Charles really deserves to below the others.

That's really a tough to make list with all rich history of boxing, where there have been enough remarkable athletes. I'd rate the top 5 like that:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb

Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

So GGG is the best middleweight ever?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 08:45

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

So GGG is the best middleweight ever?

GG who?

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:02

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 08:45

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

So GGG is the best middleweight ever?

GG who?

GGG. You said today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks. So are you saying GGG is the best ever?

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 06:21 That's really a tough to make list with all rich history of boxing, where there have been enough remarkable athletes. I'd rate the top 5 like that:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb

Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

Based on ability or achievement?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:14

James9753 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 04:54 What are your top 5 p4p boxers ever, both current and old school fighters allowed.

Based on ability or achievement?

I suppose it's subjective as to what you believe encompasses the term p4p. For some it's how many weight divisions a boxer can conquer, for others it's the opposition a fighter may have faced, and for others it could be purely based entirely on the eye test. So it's all personal preference really, I suppose there isn't a decisive right or wrong answer.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 06:21 That's really a tough to make list with all rich history of boxing, where there have been enough remarkable athletes. I'd rate the top 5 like that:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb

Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?

Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:06

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 06:21 That's really a tough to make list with all rich history of boxing, where there have been enough remarkable athletes. I'd rate the top 5 like that:

1. Roberto Duran
2. Bob Fitzsimmons
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Gene Tunney
5. Harry Greb

Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?

Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.

You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:06

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 10:13

Just out of interest, is Duran also one of your favorite boxers?

Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.

You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?

You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:30

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:06

Yes, he is. But that's the last argument I used to place him there.

You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?

You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?

You can talk about anything you want. Only Duran fans have him at #1, of which you are one.

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

As far as boxing skill goes... they're not.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:32

DrDuke wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:30

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 11:25

You think a guy that quit against Leonard deserves to be at the top of a 5 that doesn't include Walker Smith Jnr?

You're telling, as if it was somebody else, who had defeated prime and then undefeated Leonard a fight before. And I can also talk about Robinson's lowlights, should I?

You can talk about anything you want. Only Duran fans have him at #1, of which you are one.

By your logic I'm putting Duran at #1, cause I'm his fan, but suddenly I have quite a bunch of boxers, who are favoured more, than him, but somehow they're lower, so your logic seems to be not so valid.

Greb
SRR
Langford
Charles
Duran

When I did a top 30 a while ago I think my top 5 were:

Langford
Greb
Charles
Robinson
Duran

Armstrong a little unlucky to just miss out.

As I wrote in the BoxRec Forum Boxing Hall of Fame thread ... any all time greatest boxing list that does not include El Grand Campeon has no credibility whatsoever ...

My personal list of the top 5 pound per pound boxers.

1. Henry Armstrong
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sam Langford
4. Roberto Duran
5. Willie Pep

The rest of the top ten:
6. Harry Greb
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr
8. Ezzard Charles
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Louis

Of course is subjective, but with the most objective view possible. I ranked them by accomplishments, quality of opposition, division dominance, longevity and historical impact in the sport of boxing. Like someone in this thread said, "No list is accurate".

With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!

adislav123 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 20:47 With all respect i guess when you put mayweather in front of ali, charles and louis on that list you made a joke, right? Please say yes!

Why can't he? He dominated the sport for almost 2 decades.

yeah i can't stand him but ive got floyd in the lower reaches of a top ten and manny too. legendary fighters in my view.

"Ever" would have to include the future.

So it's Blitzenzip BeJabbermaster III ….Middleweight from the planet SYZonkers in the year 3535...…….(if man is still alive...if woman can...…….well......you know how it goes.

Sequitorian wrote: ↑08 Aug 2018, 07:57 Y'all got it backwards ... forget about all that "back-in-the-day" bullshit ...

... start from NOW and work back ... today's fighters are far superior than any of them old-time hacks ...

... (especially Ruby Robert ... what a joke) ...

You are unaware that YOU are the joke.