Chauncey Welliver -- win in NV -- KIWI

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 14 Mar 2005, 16:30

I have added the following explanation after reviewing a letter from the president of the NZ Federation, whcih I have a copy of.

Originally announced as a loss for Welliver, but the Executive Comittee of the New Zealand National Boxing Federation discovered an error in addition in the scorecards. Welliver was awarded the win and the official who made the error "has been censored and temporarlly suspended from duty."

Kiwi -- please don't change the fight back to a loss for Welliver as you did recently.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 16 Mar 2005, 02:04

Unfortunately that is not so, according to NZNBF’s President Gary McCrystal.
Scores were:
Reddaway 58 – 56 Uta
Belton 59 – 57 Welliver
Bragg 59 – 56 Uta. This was later found to be incorrect & was changed to 58 – 56 & still in favour of Uta

Uta won on Split points.

nzfightwatcher · Post by **nzfightwatcher** » 16 Mar 2005, 05:45

I remember I asked one of the judges what the fuss was about, he was laughing because he said the other judge thought he gave the fight to the american, apparently the scorcards had blue and red printed on them for the corners to be scored and this judge had scored blue the winner coz big blue trunks he was weering, shame he was in red corner haha and judge had a red face.

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 16 Mar 2005, 12:15

Guys -- the letter I have is from Gary McCrystal, President of the New Zealand National Boxing Federation. He states that at a meeting of the executive comittee, the scores were reviewed, corrected Welliver's loss changed to a win.

Unless you have written proof from the Federation, as I do, the result is a win for Welliver.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 16 Mar 2005, 15:33

NZNBF president Gary McCrystal says administrators held a weekend meeting to investigate Glozier's concerns and check judges' scorecards. A discrepancy was found in one of the judge's cards, due to an error in addition, but did not affect the final result.
"The result will stand," says Mr McCrystal, who is keen to book a rematch for the pair, possibly for the New Zealand heavyweight title.

http://www.boxing-central.com/modules.p ... e&sid=5870

Are you sure the letter you have is from Gary?

Cheers!

Post by **John** » 16 Mar 2005, 17:07

I just spoke with Carrick Belton president of the NZBA, he says Welliver won and he spoke with Wijohn after who had no complaints. He also said that no title was fought for as it was only a six rounder.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 16 Mar 2005, 19:05

Hi John
That’s not the result that’s being disputed.
I removed the WBE Youth bullshit.

Cheers!

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 17 Mar 2005, 00:16

Carrick Belton sent me the letter written by the President. It says at the top -- "correct Chauncey Welliver's loss to win"

Chauncey has writtten me separately and confirms the change. He also states that Judge Reddaway had it for him, 58 – 56, not for Uta

THe Commission didn't note the judges score on the letter

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 17 Mar 2005, 07:38

According to the official WBE website Chauncy Welliver is the WBE 'World Youth' champion:

http://worldboxingempire.tripod.com/WBERatings.htm

Post by **John** » 17 Mar 2005, 07:41

"World Boxing Empire" doesn't it just make you want to cry.

Grey · Post by **Grey** » 17 Mar 2005, 11:18

They once scantioned Mitch Green vs. Danny Wofford for their heavyweight title (back when they were the WBS). That my friend, is brilliant.

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 17 Mar 2005, 15:34

Well, whatever we may think about the WBE the fact remains that they recognised the Welliver-Wijohn contest as being for their 'World Youth Title'. Therefore it should be so noted on their records. Could AntonS please put it back?

Post by **John** » 17 Mar 2005, 16:40

SteveO wrote:Well, whatever we may think about the WBE the fact remains that they recognised the Welliver-Wijohn contest as being for their 'World Youth Title'. Therefore it should be so noted on their records. Could AntonS please put it back?

The NZ comm said no title fight took place under their jurisdiction.

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 17 Mar 2005, 16:53

WBE ratings chairman, Mark Chang has confirmed that the contest was for their 'Youth Title'.
Hopefully, Chauncy will come back on the forum to clear this up :-)

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 17 Mar 2005, 20:09

SteveO
Would you & WBE ratings chairman Mark Chan be happy if I insert
"Billed: Vacant WBE Youth Heavyweight Title" ??

6 round title fight?....C'mon lol!

Post by **John** » 17 Mar 2005, 20:13

SteveO wrote:WBE ratings chairman, Mark Chang has confirmed that the contest was for their 'Youth Title'.

Wijohn being a very youthfull 33

SteveO · Post by **SteveO** » 18 Mar 2005, 07:55

Well, whether the NZ boxing authority recognise it as a title fight or not and despite the fact that Wijohn is 33 years old and the contest was held over 6 rounds (The Eric 'Butterbean' Esch IBA Super-Heavyweight title fights were held over 4 rounds) it was still recognised by the WBE as being for their 'Youth World Super-Heavyweight' title. I don't really care if you want to add it to their records or not but I assumed that if 'boxrec' is proud of the accuracy of fight records then this title should be noted - it dosen't matter what we may think of all these 'minor' belts - they must mean something to the boxers that fought for them - we shouldn't just ignore them because we may not like them.

David Robinson · Post by **David Robinson** » 29 Mar 2005, 07:50

I think that WBE is a sanctions body that has the potential, we support the WBE forever.Anyway I believe that WBE decision is right.We should respect each sanctions body,because they brought a lot of happinesses for us.

Ric · Post by **Ric** » 14 Apr 2005, 18:37

delisa wrote:I have added the following explanation after reviewing a letter from the president of the NZ Federation, whcih I have a copy of.

Originally announced as a loss for Welliver, but the Executive Comittee of the New Zealand National Boxing Federation discovered an error in addition in the scorecards. Welliver was awarded the win and the official who made the error "has been censored and temporarlly suspended from duty."

Kiwi -- please don't change the fight back to a loss for Welliver as you did recently.

Check this out, under MYSTERIOUSLY CHANGING RESULTS:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,324 ... 01,00.html

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 16 Apr 2005, 19:45

Carrick Belton sent me the letter written by the President. It says at the top -- "correct Chauncey Welliver's loss to win"

The email came directly on his Commission email.

So, we changed it based ot on Welliver's contacting me -- I refused -- but on the official communication.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 19 Apr 2005, 05:18

I've emailed John with Gary McRystal's Phone/Fax number.
Hopefully, in the not too distant future, we might be able to put this matter to sleep once & for all.
Welliver lost!
Cheers!

Chauncey Welliver -- win in NV -- KIWI

Chauncey Welliver -- win in NV -- KIWI

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Re: Chauncey Welliver -- win in NV -- KIWI

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