Top Ten Heavyweight Europe

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 09:46

1. Nico Valuev
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Luan Krasniqi
4. Sinan Samil Sam
5. Andrew Golota
6. Sergei Lyakhovich
7. Paolo Vidoz
8. Sultan Ibragimov
9. Vladimir Virchis
10. Alexander Dimitrenko

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 28 Feb 2006, 09:55

Michael Sprott deserves to be there, he beat Virchis, awful decision.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:03

It doesn't look good does it?

computerrank · Post by **computerrank** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:07

Bubi,

Uk is not part of Europe?

The only one of them with real boxing skills and willing to stay in shape still is Wladimir Klitschko - I fear.

1 Nikolay Valuev
2 Wladimir Klitschko
3 Paolo Vidoz
4 Danny Williams
5 Sinan Samil Sam
6 Matt Skelton
7 Luan Krasniqi
8 Timo Hoffmann
9 Audley Harrison
10 Vladimir Virchis

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:09

BubiScholz wrote:1. Nico Valuev
2. Wladimir Klitschko
3. Luan Krasniqi
4. Sinan Samil Sam
5. Andrew Golota
6. Sergei Lyakhovich
7. Paolo Vidoz
8. Sultan Ibragimov
9. Vladimir Virchis
10. Alexander Dimitrenko

I would have Wlad ahead of Nico....
Williams ahead of Virchis and Dimetrenko

My T Sharp · Post by **My T Sharp** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:09

Arsenal wrote:It doesn't look good does it?

Not unless you are playing scrabble

Isn't Vidoz the one Audley beat in the Olympics? Although I'm not going to start a campaign to get him in the top 10.

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:10

My T Sharp wrote:
Arsenal wrote:It doesn't look good does it?
Not unless you are playing scrabble

Isn't Vidoz the one Audley beat in the Olympics? Although I'm not going to start a campaign to get him in the top 10.

indeed... Audley spanked him at the Olympics.....
stopped him on the 15 point rule if memory serves me correctly, couldnt miss with the uppercut

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:15

computerrank wrote:Bubi,

Uk is not part of Europe?

The only one of them with real boxing skills and willing to stay in shape still is Wladimir Klitschko - I fear.

1 Nikolay Valuev
2 Wladimir Klitschko
3 Paolo Vidoz
4 Danny Williams
5 Sinan Samil Sam
6 Matt Skelton
7 Luan Krasniqi
8 Timo Hoffmann
9 Audley Harrison
10 Vladimir Virchis

Sorry, aber die boxrec-Compterrangliste entspricht nicht der Realität.......besonders in diesem Fall

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:17

knockout wrote:
My T Sharp wrote:
Arsenal wrote:It doesn't look good does it?
Not unless you are playing scrabble

Isn't Vidoz the one Audley beat in the Olympics? Although I'm not going to start a campaign to get him in the top 10.
indeed... Audley spanked him at the Olympics.....
stopped him on the 15 point rule if memory serves me correctly, couldnt miss with the uppercut

the difference between them is that only one of them improved........

and only one of them shows heart.....

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:21

Williams deserves to be in there with his last 2 wins over 2 unbeaten prospects and winning a best of the British fight that doesn't really say alot but he is still as deserving as a couple fo people in that list.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:25

Cannibal wrote:Williams deserves to be in there with his last 2 wins over 2 unbeaten prospects and winning a best of the British fight that doesn't really say alot but he is still as deserving as a couple fo people in that list.

Williams has no chance to win vs one of these 10 guys....... why should he be in? Harrison and Skelton didn´t prove anything to be European top boxers.......

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:26

Sprott deserves to be there too.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:28

Max Molyneux wrote:Sprott deserves to be there too.

Sprott lost vs Vidoz and Virchis. Why should he be in?

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:30

BubiScholz wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Williams deserves to be in there with his last 2 wins over 2 unbeaten prospects and winning a best of the British fight that doesn't really say alot but he is still as deserving as a couple fo people in that list.
Williams has no chance to win vs one of these 10 guys....... why should he be in? Harrison and Skelton didn´t prove anything to be European top boxers.......

That's debatable and you don't make rankings based on debate and what would happen, you make them on what information you have now and the information we have now is that Williams has fought and beaten a better class of fighter than a lot of those novices on your ranking have even contemplated of fighting. I'd also favour Williams to beat at least a couple of fighters on that list.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:32

BubiScholz wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Sprott deserves to be there too.
Sprott lost vs Vidoz and Virchis. Why should he be in?

Beat Virchis but was robbed.

How are most of them top when Sauerland or Kohl only feed them guys that only they promote most of them time?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:35

Cannibal wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
Cannibal wrote:Williams deserves to be in there with his last 2 wins over 2 unbeaten prospects and winning a best of the British fight that doesn't really say alot but he is still as deserving as a couple fo people in that list.
Williams has no chance to win vs one of these 10 guys....... why should he be in? Harrison and Skelton didn´t prove anything to be European top boxers.......
That's debatable and you don't make rankings based on debate and what would happen, you make them on what information you have now and the information we have now is that Williams has fought and beaten a better class of fighter than a lot of those novices on your ranking have even contemplated of fighting. I'd also favour Williams to beat at least a couple of fighters on that list.

who did beat Williams? an outwashed Tyson some years ago.....ridiculuos.... he had two serious oponents in the last years. Vitali and Sinan. Both showed him what world or european class is about

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:38

1: Wladimir Klitschko
2: Oleg Maskaev (From Kazakhstan, Kazakhstani federation is EBU member, therefore I rate him)
3: Nicolai Valuev
4: Luan Krasniqi
5: Paolo Vidoz
6: Henry Akinwande (EBU eligable, therefore I rate him)
7: Sinan Samil Sam
8: Vasili Jirov (See Maskaev)
9: Danny Williams
10: Sultan Ibragimov
11: Andrew Golota
12: Alexander Dimitrenko
13: Audley Harrison
14: Matt Skelton
15: Dennis Bakhtov

Just noticed that Ukraine have a very decent "domestic" scene with Klitschko, Dimitrnko, Bidenko, Virchis, Mazikin, Platov & Lazebnik

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:42

Yep, Wlad still has the best resume of any European heavyweights,

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:45

BubiScholz wrote:
Cannibal wrote:
BubiScholz wrote: Williams has no chance to win vs one of these 10 guys....... why should he be in? Harrison and Skelton didn´t prove anything to be European top boxers.......
That's debatable and you don't make rankings based on debate and what would happen, you make them on what information you have now and the information we have now is that Williams has fought and beaten a better class of fighter than a lot of those novices on your ranking have even contemplated of fighting. I'd also favour Williams to beat at least a couple of fighters on that list.
who did beat Williams? an outwashed Tyson some years ago.....ridiculuos.... he had two serious oponents in the last years. Vitali and Sinan. Both showed him what world or european class is about

He beat Skelton and Harrison and showed he is the best in Britain. Both those names are better than anything Virchis, Ibragimov or Dimitrenko has beaten. Top that off with a Tyson win and general decent to good level of opposition through his career and he looks pretty good amongst that list and lets face it, Vitali would of destroyed everyone on that list.

Also why the hell is Golota on that list? He was KTFO in the 1st in his last fight against someone who wasn't Vitali, lost his fight before that and drew the one before that. It looks like he has no more fights planned and in May it will have been a year since his last fight. Surely Williams is more deserving than him on recent form and activity and I'd probably favour Williams to beat the current washed up form of Golota.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:46

Freiheit wrote:1: Wladimir Klitschko
2: Oleg Maskaev (From Kazakhstan, Kazakhstani federation is EBU member, therefore I rate him)
3: Nicolai Valuev
4: Luan Krasniqi
5: Paolo Vidoz
6: Henry Akinwande (EBU eligable, therefore I rate him)
7: Sinan Samil Sam
8: Vasili Jirov (See Maskaev)
9: Danny Williams
10: Sultan Ibragimov
11: Andrew Golota
12: Alexander Dimitrenko
13: Audley Harrison
14: Matt Skelton
15: Dennis Bakhtov

Just noticed that Ukraine have a very decent "domestic" scene with Klitschko, Dimitrnko, Bidenko, Virchis, Mazikin, Platov & Lazebnik

I would rate Maskaev on 4 and Jirov on 8 but I left them out like Chagaev who would also be a top ten candidate.

dve3333 · Post by **dve3333** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:49

Ibragimov is at least 4 or 5

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:50

Cannibal wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
Cannibal wrote: That's debatable and you don't make rankings based on debate and what would happen, you make them on what information you have now and the information we have now is that Williams has fought and beaten a better class of fighter than a lot of those novices on your ranking have even contemplated of fighting. I'd also favour Williams to beat at least a couple of fighters on that list.
who did beat Williams? an outwashed Tyson some years ago.....ridiculuos.... he had two serious oponents in the last years. Vitali and Sinan. Both showed him what world or european class is about
He beat Skelton and Harrison and showed he is the best in Britain. Both those names are better than anything Virchis, Ibragimov or Dimitrenko has beaten. Top that off with a Tyson win and general decent to good level of opposition through his career and he looks pretty good amongst that list and lets face it, Vitali would of destroyed everyone on that list.

Also why the hell is Golota on that list? He was KTFO in the 1st in his last fight against someone who wasn't Vitali, lost his fight before that and drew the one before that. It looks like he has no more fights planned and in May it will have been a year since his last fight. Surely Williams is more deserving than him on recent form and activity and I'd probably favour Williams to beat the current washed up form of Golota.

Williams, Harrison and Skelton are away from European class. I hope Williams fights Sam again and shows us how good he is. An outwashed Golota would easily knock Williams out.

Concerning Williams you refer to his "glorious" past. I am no Golota fan, but Golota showed that he has world class. Williams showed that he hasn´t even Euro class.

Lenny · Post by **Lenny** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:53

But they are better wins than a lot of fighters on your list have managed

you can't do it on thinking someone would beat someone else you have to do it on what they have already achived

Cannibal · Post by **Cannibal** » 28 Feb 2006, 10:55

Yeah, if you were a governing body I'd be a bit pissed if I just beat a guy who was 18-0 and another who was 19-0 and you don't even have me in the top 10 while you have guys who beat someone who was 22-11-3 in their last fight.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 28 Feb 2006, 11:04

Cannibal wrote:Yeah, if you were a governing body I'd be a bit pissed if I just beat a guy who was 18-0 and another who was 19-0 and you don't even have me in the top 10 while you have guys who beat someone who was 22-11-3 in their last fight.

yup, Williams, Harrison and Skelton are top European fighters and the world is a disc......

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