Did Ray Robinson quit or not?

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 05 Oct 2006, 09:36

In his quest for lightheavyweight title, Robinson "would" not continue due t severe heat. His opponent right questioned if was in the fridge. The heat affected them both.

Once and for for all, did he or did'nt he quit. I do not imagine what could have happened if the same thing was done by RJJ

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 05 Oct 2006, 09:42

are you comparing the hearts of Robinson and Jones?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Oct 2006, 09:46

If someone has offended you by questioning Jones' talents then I don't see what you've got to gain by a thread about Robinson. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you but it seems a bit juvenile to me.

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 05 Oct 2006, 09:49

sockdollanger wrote:are you comparing the hearts of Robinson and Jones?

The question is...did he quit or not?

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 05 Oct 2006, 09:50

Ezzard wrote:If someone has offended you by questioning Jones' talents then I don't see what you've got to gain by a thread about Robinson. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you but it seems a bit juvenile to me.

The question is....did he quit or not?

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:00

Terence wrote:
Neo wrote:In his quest for lightheavyweight title, Robinson "would" not continue due t severe heat. His opponent right questioned if was in the fridge. The heat affected them both.

Once and for for all, did he or did'nt he quit. I do not imagine what could have happened if the same thing was done by RJJ
Ray did not quit, he erred, he lost bodily cohesion and could not continue. He lost a legitimate TKO and it showed that it was a step too far.

Maybe if he was Roid' Jones it would not have happened, no?

Heart is what Ray showed throughout his career against some really heartbreaking fighters. Maxim was a big, tough and solid guy who Ray took on in difficult circumstances. D-Man was a big, tough and solid guy for whom Jones citied difficult circumstances (D-Man being #1 and calling the shots) not to fight.

Thanks Terence, I never doubted Ray's heart, but it always intrigued me as to whether he quit or not against Maxim. I know he was ahead on scorecards.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:04

Neo wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:are you comparing the hearts of Robinson and Jones?
The question is...did he quit or not?

Sorry, thought it was some sort of trick question...

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:06

Ezzard wrote:
Neo wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:are you comparing the hearts of Robinson and Jones?
The question is...did he quit or not?
Sorry, thought it was some sort of trick question...

I still request your view, did he or did'nt here quit?

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:06

In every sense of the word, Joey Maxim scored a KO victory over the consensus greatest fighter who ever lived.

john2345 · Post by **john2345** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:09

As referee Ruby Goldstein was over come by the 100+ heat and had to be replaced in the tenth round I think you can guess that Ray wasn't exactly helped by the heat. He simply couldn't go on....why would he quit so close to the end? Indeed, why would Sugar Ray Robinson quit, full stop!

J

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:18

Neo wrote:
Ezzard wrote:
Neo wrote: The question is...did he quit or not?
Sorry, thought it was some sort of trick question...
I still request your view, did he or did'nt here quit?

The question has already been answered and you accepted it.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 05 Oct 2006, 10:35

I guess you can say he quit but I agree with Terence in that he was very much unable to continue. From what I have seen and read, Robinson was as near unconsciousness as one could be. Robinson even went as far to say he thought he was dying. I feel this incident is used unfairly to betray Robinson as a quitter. It is a tough question to answer simply yes or no to.

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 05 Oct 2006, 12:49

on that documentary about him (is it called bright lights dark shadows or is that one about someone else, can't remember) his son tells of him being delirious after the fight, his skin blistering all over and says something along the lines of 'people didn't/don't realise how close he came to dying'

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 12:59

I dont think the 'question' of this thread deserves to be answered!... anyone who knows a bit about boxing knows that Robinson was not a quitter!.... if you want to see dog watch Jones in the last fight with Tarver!... Robinson gave some of his bravest displays in his 40s when most of his skills were gone... but the heart never went!... Robinson never used enhancers either!..

. anyone thinking of comparing Robinson with Jones should be ashamed of themselves!... Ray was one of the all time best p4p while Jones to be frank was a dog in comparison...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 14:04

Decagon wrote:
silkov wrote:Robinson never used enhancers either!
I remember reading about Robinson rubbing some cream over his body that helped him lose weight. Wouldn't that be an enhancer?

You're becoming a stalker Dec...

Robinson wasnt a roid freak and never gave a cowardly display like Jones last 'effort' against Tarver.... but then I doubt you've seen many Robinson fights.... 8)

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 14:33

Terence wrote:
silkov wrote:I dont think the 'question' of this thread deserves to be answered!... anyone who knows a bit about boxing knows that Robinson was not a quitter!.... if you want to see dog watch Jones in the last fight with Tarver!...
Did he piss in the neutral corner and try to mount the leg of Antonio? What round was that?!

See kids, do not use 'Roids

Well he certainly pissed around all over the ring giving an impersonation of a fighter... compare this to Rays effort against Fullmer in their 4th and last bout when Robinson was 42... he showed what a warrior is... just like Ali would do in his later years... Jones showed that he never was a warrior...

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 05 Oct 2006, 14:43

Neo wrote:
Ezzard wrote:If someone has offended you by questioning Jones' talents then I don't see what you've got to gain by a thread about Robinson. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you but it seems a bit juvenile to me.
The question is....did he quit or not?

The question is: do you know what you're talking aobut or not?

And the answer is: you obviously don't.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 05 Oct 2006, 14:44

silkov wrote:... Jones showed that he never was a warrior...

Hard to disagree with that.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 15:04

pundit wrote:
Neo wrote:
Ezzard wrote:If someone has offended you by questioning Jones' talents then I don't see what you've got to gain by a thread about Robinson. Maybe I'm misinterpreting you but it seems a bit juvenile to me.
The question is....did he quit or not?
The question is: do you know what you're talking aobut or not?

And the answer is: you obviously don't.

Very well put!... here here!!... anyone with half a brain knows that being pulled out of a fight because you are delirious and on the point of total physical breakdown is not quitting!...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 15:12

He won just about every round... he was beaten by the heat, in the last round he was staggering around the ring, not because of what Maxim was doing but because of heat stroke... if he hadnt been pulled out he would have died...
the ref collapsed in the 10th and had to be replaced... thats how hot it was...

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 05 Oct 2006, 15:13

Does "it is what it is" resonate with anyone here?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 05 Oct 2006, 15:21

yep!... 8)

Neo · Post by **Neo** » 06 Oct 2006, 02:19

silkov wrote:
pundit wrote:
Neo wrote:The question is....did he quit or not?
The question is: do you know what you're talking aobut or not?

And the answer is: you obviously don't.
Very well put!... here here!!... anyone with half a brain knows that being pulled out of a fight because you are delirious and on the point of total physical breakdown is not quitting!...

Where was Maxim during all these?

Senya13 · Post by **Senya13** » 06 Oct 2006, 02:54

The Associated Press, June 25, 1952

Dr. Alexander Schiff, ringside physician, climbed into the ring and asked Robinson, "Can you go on?"

The middleweight champ replied, "I can't get up on my feet. I'm all in."

Dr. Schiff then signaled Referee Miller it was all over on Robinson's own word.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 06 Oct 2006, 06:10

Neo wrote:
silkov wrote:
pundit wrote: The question is: do you know what you're talking aobut or not?

And the answer is: you obviously don't.
Very well put!... here here!!... anyone with half a brain knows that being pulled out of a fight because you are delirious and on the point of total physical breakdown is not quitting!...
Where was Maxim during all these?

Your not the brightest lightbulb in the lamp are you?... try watching a few Robinson fights then you may know what you're talking about...

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