John Murray

Albert · Post by **Albert** » 09 Nov 2007, 19:59

Impressed with the offensive way John Murray went about his business against Dean Hickman this evening. Also impressed with the improving defence.

A slight concern - Murray hit Hickman with some massive shots - when Murray steps up a level I question his punch power - When Murray steps up he will need to put fighters of a higher class who can take a shot onto the back foot - my concern is if he does not being a fighter who likes to consistently come forward what he will do when he has to fight on the back foot.

Jon Thaxton in my view is going to be a very interesting fight indeed - one in which I have Thaxton a slight favourite.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 09 Nov 2007, 20:06

Albert wrote:Impressed with the offensive way John Murray went about his business against Dean Hickman this evening. Also impressed with the improving defence.

A slight concern - Murray hit Hickman with some massive shots - when Murray steps up a level I question his punch power - When Murray steps up he will need to put fighters of a higher class who can take a shot onto the back foot - my concern is if he does not being a fighter who likes to consistently come forward what he will do when he has to fight on the back foot.

Jon Thaxton in my view is going to be a very interesting fight indeed - one in which I have Thaxton a slight favourite.

Really impressed with Murray today, your slight concern has been my major concern from the off. However, today he hit and hurt Hickman. Okay, Hickmans been hurt in the past, but Murray looked physically stronger than I have seen him previously - perhaps his power is coming.

Really good performance.

WayoftheCass · Post by **WayoftheCass** » 09 Nov 2007, 20:51

I don't think Murray will ever be a huge hitter but he has a relentless style similar to Hatton and has now stopped his last couple. He looked superb tonight and against a real tough nut in Hickman who gave much more than say Scott Lawton offered against Khan. Murray vs Thaxton would be a barnstormer. Really impressed with John tonight. Gary Reid would be another decent name for him to take out meantime and that would be another cracking little fight.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 05:15

Murray's whole thing is breaking ppl down piece by piece. This, I feel, was his first opponent who really came in with sustained attacks. Some picked Hickman. But I believed in Murray, that he'd put it together. Really chopped his man down. Terrific arsenal of punches.

I hope he goes for British and Euro titles. He's ready for Thaxton and IMO isn't too far off being ready for Romanov.

Murray's PRO STYLE will serve him very well, as he adds to his game, at higher levels.

Loftgroov · Post by **Loftgroov** » 10 Nov 2007, 05:22

I thought Murray looked good, if a little one-dimensional.

He'll hold his own throughout his career, but can see him getting beaten by some slick Yank when he steps up a few levels.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 05:38

I think with the right grooming, he could develop into a Humberto Soto or Jose Luis Castillo style of fighter.

dondada · Post by **dondada** » 10 Nov 2007, 06:37

Yes, Murray looked excellent last night though, as the world's most intelligent man pointed out last night, he will always get caught coming in.

You can't have much better preparation than working with Hatton, eh?

Poncey · Post by **Poncey** » 10 Nov 2007, 10:15

Terry D wrote:Murray is catching more shots on his gloves and deflecting them away from his chin.

Course he is going to get hit, he is a proper professional fighter not a dancing amateur type. After a slow start he looked like the prospect we all know he is and Hickman looked like he was having a really tough time.

Praise is due to Hickman for taking those rib shots on the ropes. You have to respect that as they were corkers.

Hopefully they get John a spot in Vegas.

The THaxton fight is the easiest fight to make. Mick made some very good points recently about Warren not stepping up to the plate and matching a prospect (Froch) with a Champion (Calzaghe) so how about a little consistency? Surely not making a fight between two of your own fighters would dilute the original fury of your points? Thaxton-Murray, why not have it?

John's coach PM'd me that they're looking to give John the main event of the Garden Arena warm-up on December 7th to make sure it's ready for the 8th.

They did the same thing when I saw ODH v Mayweather and it draws decent sized cards, with some decent fighters. So if anyone is going to Vegas, the night before is worth checking out as well. Tickets were really cheap ($25 to $150 for ringside I think) in May. I'd recommend it, especially if you cannot get tickets for the 8th just to say you've seen a fight there.

chesh · Post by **chesh** » 10 Nov 2007, 10:21

Very impressed with Murray last night. He has developed an excellent pro style, much more so than Khan IMO. With his effective body punching, looks like we might have another Manc Mexican.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 10:58

I like that he can throw a right hook to the face. this punch has been edged out of the textbook, something mike mccallum laments. like povetkin, murray can get good leverage on a right hook. can can throw the right long (as a cross) or short (as a hook) depending what position his feet are in. great prospect; can't wait for him vs thaxton. he'll do better than meager did. should be a good fight.

definitely the performance that Murray fans like myself have been looking for.

rhino222 · Post by **rhino222** » 10 Nov 2007, 11:01

a right hook to the face has been edged out ??where on earth did you drag that stat from..75% of KO's come from right hands to the face from orthodox stance fighters !!

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 11:03

rhino222 wrote:a right hook to the face has been edged out ??where on earth did you drag that stat from..75% of KO's come from right hands to the face from orthodox stance fighters !!

ppl seem to throw them so seldom these days. it's usually the straihgt right. trainers at gyms i sent to as a kid warned ppl not to throw 'em from orthodox. mike mccallum, who now works as a trainer, complains about this.

n1ebf · Post by **n1ebf** » 10 Nov 2007, 11:15

first time I ever seen John Murray which is weird as his name has been doing the rounds for a while now.

thought he looked good and picks punches well.

sorry to go off topic for a minute but anyone think a thread on Paul Ingle would be a good idea......I don't really know how or who is allowed to start a thread, there might have even been one a month or so ago I don't remember .......I saw some highlights of his benefit evening last night on Sky

m1kee50 · Post by **m1kee50** » 10 Nov 2007, 11:26

Terry D wrote:I think there is a difference between a roundhouse right and a right hook. Yuo seldom see a proper right hook. A step and then bringing it around the outside like a proper hook.

Hatton's body shots are hooks when he steps and goes to the right, the right Lewis tucked Tyson away with was an roundhouse right.

It is double-hard to throw a hook off your back hand and for it still to be a proper hook.

spot on... if you can get the angle round the outside of their left you bring the back hand closer to the head

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 15:11

ok, that means there is a difference between a roundhouse right and a straight right as well then. you don't see too many ppl throw a good right with a nice curve to it, that gets round an opponent's guard. Hopkins uses one nicely to fight southpaws, or did when he had better reflexes. Povetkin has a clubbing right hand that can be hard to read, but which worked a treat on Byrd when he leaned to his own left.

IMO, I see a right hook as a punch not where you pull/twist the punch sideways (where you probably miss your opponent & pull yourself off balance), but shoot the right forward before adding the twist on it after. I just call it a hook, because it's like a hook adapted for the rear hand.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Nov 2007, 15:34

yeah, it is almost a bastard punch. i don't like the term "roundhouse right" too much, because it sounds like you've just wanged it, swung for the fences and hoped it's landed.

either way, i liked Murray's right hand work very much last night!

dragons · Post by **dragons** » 11 Nov 2007, 06:57

chesh wrote:Very impressed with Murray last night. He has developed an excellent pro style, much more so than Khan IMO. With his effective body punching, looks like we might have another Manc Mexican.

Would rather see Murray in the ring with Khan than Earl to be honest.
Think he's about the only other fighter other than thaxton in this country who would give khan problems.
And if we see a Murray v Thaxton fight WOW ! that would be a war!

Podmore_Birmingham · Post by **Podmore_Birmingham** » 11 Nov 2007, 07:18

I was impressed with Murray on Friday night. He mixed punches between head and body, was calm and patient and I was also impressed with the spaces he found in Hickman's tight guard to land with those short uppercuts in the second and third rounds.

He did a job on Deano, who told me afterwards that he should have been allowed to carry on. I thought the same, though there was only going to be one winner.

Hickman took his lumps (well, he was a street fighter in his younger, wilder days), tried to fight back and he had some success in the opening round with some fast-handed one-twos.

Deano gave it a go, came up short but has a future at lightweight and a rubber match with Gary Reid may happen now that Deano has found what he thinks to be his optimum weight.

Tom Podmore.

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