Category talk:World Title Fights

Distinguishing vacant titles from defenses

In case the entry in the "Defenses" column reads "Inaugural" or "Interim" it is unclear if the title at stake was vacant before the inaugural or interim bout or how many times it had been defended if it had not been vacant. Therefore additions are necessary which could result in entries like "Inaugural/Vacant" or "Interim/2.". Of course, especially "Interim" could also be attributed to a fight in the form of a footnote (like "Super Champion" (for WBA super champions), abbreviated "SC", which should rather abbreviate "Super Championship" on title fights lists.)--Emaster 21:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Order of fights held on the same date

When a sanctioning body recognizes more than one title holder in a weight division, fights with different versions of the title at stake may be held on the same day. For instance, on September 15, 2008, the interim and the full version of the WBA super flyweight title were contested. The fight with the full version at stake was begun and finished earlier than the bout for the interim title so that the former precedes the latter on the list:

No.	Date	Winner	Result	Loser	Defenses	Location
76	2008 Sep 15	Nobuo Nashiro (2)	SD 12	Kohei Kono	Vacant RC	Yokohama, Kanagawa, JPN
77	2008 Sep 15	Jorge Arce	RTD 9	Rafael Concepcion	Interim	Mexico City, Distrito Federal, MEX

On November 1, 2008 separate fights for the full and interim titles respectively were held again. I think one of them started earlier, while the other one ended earlier. What's to be their order on the list?

Reign numbers

A title holder's repeated reign is indicated by a corresponding number behind the titlist's name on the title fights lists (e.g. Rafael Orono's second reign as WBC super flyweight titlist):

No.	Date	Boxer	Result	Boxer	Defenses	Location
1	1980 Feb 2	Rafael Orono	SD 15	Seung Hoon Lee	Inaugural	Caracas, VEN
2	1980 Apr 14	Rafael Orono	UD 15	Ramon Balbino Soria	1	Caracas, VEN
3	1980 Jul 28	Rafael Orono	PTS 15	Willie Jensen	2	Caracas, VEN
4	1980 Sep 15	Rafael Orono	TKO 3	Jovito Rengifo	3	Barquisimeto, VEN
5	1981 Jan 24	Chul Ho Kim	KO 9	Rafael Orono	-	San Cristobal, VEN
6	1981 Apr 22	Chul Ho Kim	UD 15	Jiro Watanabe	1	Seoul, KOR
7	1981 Jul 29	Chul Ho Kim	TKO 13	Willie Jensen	2	Pusan, KOR
8	1981 Nov 18	Chul Ho Kim	TKO 9	Jackal Maruyama	3	Pusan, KOR
9	1982 Feb 10	Chul Ho Kim	KO 8	Koki Ishii	4	Taegu, KOR
10	1982 Jul 4	Chul Ho Kim	PTS 15	Raul Valdez	5	Taejon, KOR
11	1982 Nov 28	Rafael Orono (2)	TKO 6	Chul Ho Kim	-	Seoul, KOR
12	1983 Jan 31	Rafael Orono (2)	KO 4	Pedro Romero	1	Caracas, VEN
13	1983 May 9	Rafael Orono (2)	UD 15	Raul Valdez	2	Caracas, VEN
14	1983 Oct 29	Rafael Orono (2)	TKO 5	Orlando Maldonado	3	Caracas, VEN
15	1983 Nov 27	Payao Poontarat	SD 12	Rafael Orono	-	Pattaya, THA

Why doesn't the number of reign show up behind Orono's name in fight number 15, which bookended his second reign?

Also, if a fighter has possessed a title more than once, even the fights of his first reign could be marked by adding a "(1)" behind the fighter's name. Thus, first reigns would be distinguished from first-and-only reigns.

The proposals would alter the list as follows:

No.	Date	Boxer	Result	Boxer	Defenses	Location
1	1980 Feb 2	Rafael Orono (1)	SD 15	Seung Hoon Lee	Inaugural	Caracas, VEN
2	1980 Apr 14	Rafael Orono (1)	UD 15	Ramon Balbino Soria	1	Caracas, VEN
3	1980 Jul 28	Rafael Orono (1)	PTS 15	Willie Jensen	2	Caracas, VEN
4	1980 Sep 15	Rafael Orono (1)	TKO 3	Jovito Rengifo	3	Barquisimeto, VEN
5	1981 Jan 24	Chul Ho Kim	KO 9	Rafael Orono (1)	-	San Cristobal, VEN
6	1981 Apr 22	Chul Ho Kim	UD 15	Jiro Watanabe	1	Seoul, KOR
7	1981 Jul 29	Chul Ho Kim	TKO 13	Willie Jensen	2	Pusan, KOR
8	1981 Nov 18	Chul Ho Kim	TKO 9	Jackal Maruyama	3	Pusan, KOR
9	1982 Feb 10	Chul Ho Kim	KO 8	Koki Ishii	4	Taegu, KOR
10	1982 Jul 4	Chul Ho Kim	PTS 15	Raul Valdez	5	Taejon, KOR
11	1982 Nov 28	Rafael Orono (2)	TKO 6	Chul Ho Kim	-	Seoul, KOR
12	1983 Jan 31	Rafael Orono (2)	KO 4	Pedro Romero	1	Caracas, VEN
13	1983 May 9	Rafael Orono (2)	UD 15	Raul Valdez	2	Caracas, VEN
14	1983 Oct 29	Rafael Orono (2)	TKO 5	Orlando Maldonado	3	Caracas, VEN
15	1983 Nov 27	Payao Poontarat	SD 12	Rafael Orono (2)	-	Pattaya, THA

After reading the first line it is clear that Orono must have had more than one reign and after reading the fifth line there's no doubt that Chul Ho Kim has only held the title once (yet).

World title fights lists

The "World Weight Class Title Fights" lists have not been created yet. Also, there are no lists to select in BoxRec's title search which refer to the World Weight Class Title or the Weight Class World Title. (Both forms can be found in the database.)

Evidently, determining which bouts to consider title fights is difficult: According to BoxRec, there were personal claims to the championship, black and white champions, contests billed or advertised as world title fights which might not have been genuine ones, and "regional" world champions (only recognized by at least one state or country). Moreover, there were the NBA and NYSAC world champions, whose title fights are represented in their own lists.

Combined title fights lists

There are separate title fights lists for each title (World, NYSAC, NBA, WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO). Why not also combining them so that something like the following comes into being:

No.	Date	Titles	Boxer	Defenses	Result	Boxer	Defenses	Location
?	1999 Mar 13	WBA WBC IBF	Lennox Lewis	5 (WBC)	PTS 12	Evander Holyfield	4 (WBA) 2 (IBF)	New York City, New York, USA
?	1999 Jun 26	WBO	Vitali Klitschko	-	KO 2	Herbie Hide	- (WBO)	Millwall, London, UK
?	1999 Oct 9	WBO	Vitali Klitschko	1 (WBO)	TKO 3	Ed Mahone	-	Oberhausen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, GER
?	1999 Nov 13	WBA WBC IBF	Lennox Lewis	6 (WBC)	UD 12	Evander Holyfield	- (WBA) - (IBF)	Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

--Emaster 19:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)