First off, where do you think he's rated in the first place? And why is that position so untenable to you? It seems to me the general consensus is that he was a good champion who had good power but some flaws. He was definitely the best 140 pounder in the world for about a 5 year period and would pr...

Fantastic subject, one of Australia's greatest and very, very underrated.

In 1936 he was ranked the no. 1 contender for Barney Ross's welterweight title by Ring Magazine.

Good luck with it, would love to read it some day.

Sorry, but Les Darcy in the same class as Anthony Mundine? Even by 21 Darcy's accomplishments were far greater than Mundine could ever imagine (and we all know his imagination is a "1"). eg. In his last fight Les knocked out George Chip - in Chip's previous fight he had beaten Harry Greb. ...

I see the childish one man vendetta against Ali continues unabated.

I'll check back in a month to see how it's going.

For 12 rounds I'd be desperately hoping Jackson could catch him but I doubt it would happen. Floyd by a wide margin.

Only one person embarrassing himself around here...

Ali wins easily. The advancement in Boxing Skill from Jeffries' time to Ali's time was so drastic that it would look like Ali was fighting a guy who had never laced up a pair of gloves. Exactly. In any sport with measurable performances, such as track and field, the times/distances etc had increase...

After 15-Rounds Muhammad Ali would be ahead in Rounds 11-2-2, but his hands would be so sore, that he would not be able to maintain any heavy punch-rate. 'Big Jeff' then walks Muhammad down like a Dragon following an injured Leopard. Thudding body blows into the 'ribs, kidneys, liver and stomach' h...

Ali wins every round and takes it 250-225 on all cards. Jeffries: "I guess Jack Munroe wasn't the tune up I needed..." Ali: "He doesn't hit as hard as Foreman or Shavers but he was tougher than Rudi Lubbers." Il Duce: Starts 165 threads on how... Jeffries was "got to" b...

Grevan, you filthy word-twister I never said Jerry Quarry was 'washed up' when he fought Muhammad Ali n October 1970. The phrase was 'washed up and worn out' in December 1969 after getting KO'd by George Chuvalo. Words used by Teddy Brenner of Madison Square Garden. And, most boxing pundits felt th...

FFS, when will this rubbish end? Now Quarry was "washed up" when Ali beat him. Simple question Il Duce: Is there anyone who you consider Ali beat in their prime? ie. they weren't handicapped, too old, too slow, too fat, too small, too young, one armed, retarded, blind in one eye etc etc. A...

Jeff Fenech
Kostya Tszyu
Jeff Harding
Sugar Ray Leonard
Julian Jackson
Thomas Hearns
Ezzard Charles
Rocky Marciano
Muhammad Ali
George Foreman

Benitez wins the first two comfortably and questions why they even need a third fight.

Grevan, You can't only credit the wins, as you must calculate the losses and 'poor' performances, and the 'game playing'. Key Losses * Joe Frazier I * Kenny Norton I Controversial Wins * Alonzo Johnson * Doug Jones * Henry Cooper I * Kenny Norton II * Jimmy Young * Kenny Norton III Bizarre Bouts * ...

Butterbean I think his 'competition' falls a wee bit short though. Maybe a 'special division' should be started for Eric Esch. "The Greatest Cable Television Fighter of Four-Rounders" Well, if you're going to include level of competition as a criteria then you'd have to consider that guy ...

What's your definition of "greatest heavyweight champion"? A 'Great Heavyweight Champion' not only wins, but totally dominates and devastates the competition. A 'Take-No-Prisoners' type of 'Warrior'. No games,,,,,,,,,, One who had 'no' losses in his most important bouts, and when he was w...

Il Duce wrote:The Greatest '5' Heavyweight Champions

#1 > Jack Dempsey

#2 > Joe Louis

#3 > Larry Holmes

#4 > Rocky Marciano

#5 > James J. Jeffries

Wow! No Muhammad Ali. Who'd have thought.

Based on the logic above I'm convinced DaveyMac could hit Ali's fastball.

Another perspective... http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn90059523/1902-12-27/ed-1/seq-5/#date1=1902&index=5&rows=20&words=Jeffries+Munroe&searchType=basic&sequence=0&state=&date2=1902&proxtext=jeffries+munroe&dateFilterType=yearRange&page=1 "As to ...

Peter Jackson

Went 61 rounds with James Corbett, stopped Peter Maher and George Godfrey, held the "World Colored Heavyweight Title" for 8 years and apparently John L Sullivan wouldn't fight him because he was black. Possibly the best of all non-title holders.

Unless you throw "cruisers" like Marciano or Dempsey into the mix I doubt there's any combination of match-ups that wouldn't see Holyfield as the winner.

Prime vs. Prime * Joe Frazier * Larry Holmes * Lennox Lewis * Jack Dempsey * Joe Louis * Mike Tyson * Sonny Liston * Evander Holyfield * Riddick Bowe * The Klitschko Family * Ken Norton * Corrie Sanders Too Close To Call * Jack Johnson * James J. Jeffries * Gene Tunney Hilarious, it's a pity we can...

Can't possibly imagine who Il Duce is referring to.

If only there was some hint in his previous posts as to who he might consider a coward...

These constant anti-Ali posts are a fascinating case study. Obviously driven by inherent racism and some sort of resentment of Ali's fame, you wonder where it will end. I mean, we've read of his struggles with Jean-Pierre Coopman and Rudi Lubbers lately - can only assume there's an Ali-Richard Dunn ...

Il Duce wrote:Giancarlo

I know you are, but what am I ?

Cassius Clay never visited Lewiston, Maine ever again.

Just Imagine, the locale of his 'Greatest Fight'..........

Let's face it, only a stalker could be certain of this.