"Kid" X

Redback Rasta · Post by **Redback Rasta** » 01 Sep 2015, 01:15

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Redback Rasta wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:Trying to compile a list of boxers who took on the name "Kid" in the ring.

Does anyone know the origin of this practice of naming?

Especially interested in the "Kid" + Place Name formula.

Names I have so far:

Kid Chocolate
Kid Gavilan
Kid Galahad
The Alabama Kid
Kid Norfolk
Cocoa Kid
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Benny "Kid" Paret

Please add to the list!
Even better if you know the stories behind the names.
The origin of the practice of calling fighters 'Kid' is an interesting question.

Indeed. Do you have any theories?

No. Nor can I even find one.

Giancarlo · Post by **Giancarlo** » 01 Sep 2015, 06:10

Lee Canalito was Kid Salami in Paradise Alley

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 01 Sep 2015, 10:16

Redback Rasta wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:

Indeed. Do you have any theories?
No. Nor can I even find one.

You've got to be "Kid"-ding!

palooka · Post by **palooka** » 02 Sep 2015, 15:00

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Redback Rasta wrote:
Cutman Scabbers wrote:

Indeed. Do you have any theories?
No. Nor can I even find one.
You've got to be "Kid"-ding!

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 02 Sep 2015, 16:16

Kid Blackie

Rexob · Post by **Rexob** » 02 Sep 2015, 16:27

Old bones Ian wrote:Kid Blackie

One of Jack Dempsey's nicknames

Redback Rasta · Post by **Redback Rasta** » 02 Sep 2015, 16:32

Huge prizes now on offer to anyone who can tell us why boxers began adopting the Kid name.

As I've said, I have no idea. But forced to guess, perhaps the son of a fighter pulled the gloves on years ago and the promoter thought it was a good idea?

Maybe a scenario existed where the fighting son had the same Christian name as his father and it was the easiest way to differentiate between the two?

Can anyone offer anything better?

Rexob · Post by **Rexob** » 02 Sep 2015, 16:36

When someone say's "He is The Kid!" meaning very good at something they do, therefore receiving the nickname "The Kid?"

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 03 Sep 2015, 21:26

Rexob wrote:Billy Conn "The Pittsburgh Kid."

Same as Paul Spadafora?

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 03 Sep 2015, 21:29

Rexob wrote:
Old bones Ian wrote:Kid Blackie

One of Jack Dempsey's nicknames

Nice one. Was it because of his black hair, or because he gave people black eyes?

macaca · Post by **macaca** » 03 Sep 2015, 23:21

Danny "Still fighting, shit you gotta be kidding me" Williams

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 04 Sep 2015, 01:33

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Rexob wrote:
Old bones Ian wrote:Kid Blackie

One of Jack Dempsey's nicknames

Nice one. Was it because of his black hair, or because he gave people black eyes?

As far as I know it was because of his hair.

Redback Rasta · Post by **Redback Rasta** » 04 Sep 2015, 02:38

There was an angry little welterweight called Andrew 'Kid Thunder' Hartley who occasionally posted on another forum about 8 years ago.

"Kid Thunder's'' pro record reads a rather modest 2 wins from 25 fights. Of his 23 losses 22 were via stoppage, and he was only a 4 round fighter.

Not sure how he acquired the belt with his pro record? Perhaps he was an outstanding amateur

wsbuf · Post by **wsbuf** » 04 Sep 2015, 08:44

Kid Kansas, brother of Rocky Kansas

http://boxrec.com/boxer/128084

palooka · Post by **palooka** » 04 Sep 2015, 09:12

Redback Rasta wrote:There was an angry little welterweight called Andrew 'Kid Thunder' Hartley who occasionally posted on another forum about 8 years ago.

"Kid Thunder's'' pro record reads a rather modest 2 wins from 25 fights. Of his 23 losses 22 were via stoppage, and he was only a 4 round fighter.

Not sure how he acquired the belt with his pro record? Perhaps he was an outstanding amateur

He's still angry judging from the posts in Trailer Park boxing competition on off topic.

orbtastic · Post by **orbtastic** » 04 Sep 2015, 10:00

With regards to the origin - I think Kid McCoy was the first "Kid" in boxing and I understand the nickname was used because he looked young/sleight, even when an adult.

WRT Cervantes, his uncle gave him the nickname which was borrowed from a fighter from Nicaragua (I assume Miguel Angel Rivas). The name is supposedly taken from the name of a tree that grows locally, much like an oak. If you do a Google translate of the word it comes up as "defender". Both would make sense.

Rexob · Post by **Rexob** » 04 Sep 2015, 13:23

He was also known as "The Real Mcoy" a great way to be remembered and what a legacy to leave.

Redback Rasta · Post by **Redback Rasta** » 04 Sep 2015, 18:21

palooka wrote:
Redback Rasta wrote:There was an angry little welterweight called Andrew 'Kid Thunder' Hartley who occasionally posted on another forum about 8 years ago.

"Kid Thunder's'' pro record reads a rather modest 2 wins from 25 fights. Of his 23 losses 22 were via stoppage, and he was only a 4 round fighter.

Not sure how he acquired the belt with his pro record? Perhaps he was an outstanding amateur
He's still angry judging from the posts in Trailer Park boxing competition on off topic.

Just went and had a look and so he is

Didn't even think to look for him in this forum. Remembered his posts from years ago elsewhere.

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 04 Sep 2015, 22:18

Redback Rasta wrote:
palooka wrote:
Redback Rasta wrote:There was an angry little welterweight called Andrew 'Kid Thunder' Hartley who occasionally posted on another forum about 8 years ago.

"Kid Thunder's'' pro record reads a rather modest 2 wins from 25 fights. Of his 23 losses 22 were via stoppage, and he was only a 4 round fighter.

Not sure how he acquired the belt with his pro record? Perhaps he was an outstanding amateur
He's still angry judging from the posts in Trailer Park boxing competition on off topic.
Just went and had a look and so he is

Didn't even think to look for him in this forum. Remembered his posts from years ago elsewhere.

Even though Andrew "Kid Thunder" Hartley only has 2 wins, one of those he has in common with
Deontay Wilder!

Cutman Scabbers · Post by **Cutman Scabbers** » 04 Sep 2015, 22:20

wsbuf wrote:Kid Kansas, brother of Rocky Kansas

http://boxrec.com/boxer/128084

Good one! Thanks.

Here's another Kid Kansas from your neck of the woods:

http://boxrec.com/boxer/128084

Tinnie · Post by **Tinnie** » 05 Sep 2015, 18:52

orbtastic wrote:With regards to the origin - I think Kid McCoy was the first "Kid" in boxing and I understand the nickname was used because he looked young/sleight, even when an adult.

WRT Cervantes, his uncle gave him the nickname which was borrowed from a fighter from Nicaragua (I assume Miguel Angel Rivas). The name is supposedly taken from the name of a tree that grows locally, much like an oak. If you do a Google translate of the word it comes up as "defender". Both would make sense.

Good post. Cheers for the info.

I think you may be right about McCoy but i think Lavigne may pre date him... i may be wrong but i seem to remember reading he had a decent career as a prize fighter before converting to the Queensbury rules. Certainly an interesting subject, and makes you wonder just how far back some more common ring names can be found.

Redback Rasta · Post by **Redback Rasta** » 05 Sep 2015, 20:00

Cutman Scabbers wrote:
Redback Rasta wrote:
palooka wrote:

He's still angry judging from the posts in Trailer Park boxing competition on off topic.
Just went and had a look and so he is

Didn't even think to look for him in this forum. Remembered his posts from years ago elsewhere.

Even though Andrew "Kid Thunder" Hartley only has 2 wins, one of those he has in common with
Deontay Wilder!

That was an act of opportunism on the part of Hartley targeting Zelenoff before he'd had even a pro fight of experience to fall back on. It was Hartley's 15th fight for god's sake!

At least Wilder had the class to wait until Zelenoff was prime before tackling him.

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