Mundine calls for boycott of anthem

[Tinnie]

Standard white folk telling minorities what is and isn't offensive.

Epitome of White privilege.

Have you even been to Australia and heard our national anthem played at a sporting event?

If not, take a listen, and point out the words that offend you or would offend anyone else for that matter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jFxsQ5Dvs

I was born in Australia.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand where some indigenous people are coming from. Perhaps, it'a like I said, white privilege. Mundine is a bit of a tool no doubt, but you guys all keep focusing on the lyrics of the anthem. It's not about that for some native blokes, it's about what it represents and reminds them of. You all think cause it's 2016 that everything is all hunky dory and everyone should "get over it & move on". That there is where the problems arise. You grew up facing no discrimination even close to what they have and continue to. I guarantee most of you would have a hissy fit and scream bloody murder if they did one day change the date of Australia Day too.

No doubt in the past and present Australia has alot to be ashamed of in regards to the treatment of the Indigenous communities. I cant claim to understand these social problems, as i would fall under what would be considered a person of white privilege, but i can sympathize.

The negativity you see in this thread is not aimed at the Aboriginal community, but at a man who is using these social and political issues, under the thin guise of a righteous crusade, to promote himself. There are plenty of examples of this in this thread alone.

Id like to think that as a nation we are moving forward, on an issue that obviously will not be fixed over night. On a public platform, i cant think of anyone in recent times who has done more to fan the flames of segregation than Mundine. All in the name of self promotion.

Welcome to the forum by the way. We are a boxing community, ive seen my fair share of squabbles here , but mention names like Lionel Rose, Tony Mundine, Hec Thompson, Elley Bennett, the Sands brother, Jack Hassen, Wally Carr, Ron Richards, ect...and you'll get responses of nothing but adulation and respect about any and all of them.

[p4p1]

Our government ran a nationwide survey to determine what the people wanted sung as our nation anthem.

60,000 people were polled nationally on it and "Advance Australia Fair" was what they chose.

Our population is now 23,000,000 and one person, best known because he is a loud mouth, calls for the national anthem to be changed.

60'000 white people polled over 30 years ago who probably didn't know the true history of the song.

[p4p1]

Have you even been to Australia and heard our national anthem played at a sporting event?

If not, take a listen, and point out the words that offend you or would offend anyone else for that matter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jFxsQ5Dvs

I was born in Australia.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand where some indigenous people are coming from. Perhaps, it'a like I said, white privilege. Mundine is a bit of a tool no doubt, but you guys all keep focusing on the lyrics of the anthem. It's not about that for some native blokes, it's about what it represents and reminds them of. You all think cause it's 2016 that everything is all hunky dory and everyone should "get over it & move on". That there is where the problems arise. You grew up facing no discrimination even close to what they have and continue to. I guarantee most of you would have a hissy fit and scream bloody murder if they did one day change the date of Australia Day too.

No doubt in the past and present Australia has alot to be ashamed of in regards to the treatment of the Indigenous communities. I cant claim to understand these social problems, as i would fall under what would be considered a person of white privilege, but i can sympathize.

The negativity you see in this thread is not aimed at the Aboriginal community, but at a man who is using these social and political issues, under the thin guise of a righteous crusade, to promote himself. There are plenty of examples of this in this thread alone.

Id like to think that as a nation we are moving forward, on an issue that obviously will not be fixed over night. On a public platform, i cant think of anyone in recent times who has done more to fan the flames of segregation than Mundine. All in the name of self promotion.

Welcome to the forum by the way. We are a boxing community, ive seen my fair share of squabbles here , but mention names like Lionel Rose, Tony Mundine, Hec Thompson, Elley Bennett, the Sands brother, Jack Hassen, Wally Carr, Ron Richards, ect...and you'll get responses of nothing but adulation and respect about any and all of them.

Tinnie the negativity is not just because of Mundine(though I bet if someone else said it, it would be taken more seriously), if you read the thread it's a bunch of *presumably* white Australians saying he or anyone else has any right to be offended because the offensive lyrics in the song have been edited out. They don't or won't understand why he or anyone else could say that using lyrics taken from the original advance Australia fair is ignorant.

[bogan whisperer]

Our government ran a nationwide survey to determine what the people wanted sung as our nation anthem.

60,000 people were polled nationally on it and "Advance Australia Fair" was what they chose.

Our population is now 23,000,000 and one person, best known because he is a loud mouth, calls for the national anthem to be changed.

60'000 white people polled......

Your mind is clearly closed to anything that doesn't suit your warped agenda

[ClivePatrickLyons]

This is what is played at sporting events, whether it be boxing, football, the olympics or the races and this is what Mundine is asking people to sit down for:

Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil
Our home is girt by sea
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

Anthony, point me at the part that offends you so much you think people should refuse to stand for?

I''m not pointing at anything in particular that offends me or anyone but mate just out or curiosity what does the line ''In History's page,let every stage'' actually mean.

[Mr. Plainview]

Have you even been to Australia and heard our national anthem played at a sporting event?

If not, take a listen, and point out the words that offend you or would offend anyone else for that matter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jFxsQ5Dvs

I was born in Australia.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to understand where some indigenous people are coming from. Perhaps, it'a like I said, white privilege. Mundine is a bit of a tool no doubt, but you guys all keep focusing on the lyrics of the anthem. It's not about that for some native blokes, it's about what it represents and reminds them of. You all think cause it's 2016 that everything is all hunky dory and everyone should "get over it & move on". That there is where the problems arise. You grew up facing no discrimination even close to what they have and continue to. I guarantee most of you would have a hissy fit and scream bloody murder if they did one day change the date of Australia Day too.

No doubt in the past and present Australia has alot to be ashamed of in regards to the treatment of the Indigenous communities. I cant claim to understand these social problems, as i would fall under what would be considered a person of white privilege, but i can sympathize.

The negativity you see in this thread is not aimed at the Aboriginal community, but at a man who is using these social and political issues, under the thin guise of a righteous crusade, to promote himself. There are plenty of examples of this in this thread alone.

Id like to think that as a nation we are moving forward, on an issue that obviously will not be fixed over night. On a public platform, i cant think of anyone in recent times who has done more to fan the flames of segregation than Mundine. All in the name of self promotion.

Welcome to the forum by the way. We are a boxing community, ive seen my fair share of squabbles here , but mention names like Lionel Rose, Tony Mundine, Hec Thompson, Elley Bennett, the Sands brother, Jack Hassen, Wally Carr, Ron Richards, ect...and you'll get responses of nothing but adulation and respect about any and all of them.

Appreciate the level headed response and welcome.

[bogan whisperer]

This is what is played at sporting events, whether it be boxing, football, the olympics or the races and this is what Mundine is asking people to sit down for:

Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil
Our home is girt by sea
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

Anthony, point me at the part that offends you so much you think people should refuse to stand for?

I''m not pointing at anything in particular that offends me or anyone but mate just out or curiosity what does the line ''In History's page,let every stage'' actually mean.

In the context of how it is used in the song to me it means we cherish our history. It sure as hell doesn't offend me. I can tell you that much.

[bogan whisperer]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pre ... aefeb1e84f

Wendell Sailor is indigenous and sure doesn't agree with Mundine

FORMER rugby league player Wendell Sailor has responded to controversial calls from Anthony Mundine for players to protest the national anthem at this weekend’s AFL and NRL grand finals.

“I don’t agree with Choc (Mundine),” Sailor told Triple M Saturday NRL.

“I’m a proud Australian, I’m a proud indigenous man.

“Whenever I’ve worn the Australian jersey or the Queensland jersey and the national anthem is being played, I understand where I come from and what the past has been in Australia but I just don’t agree with Choc on that.”

“It’s even like when he made to comment about 9/11. I rung him and said, ‘Look I love you as a mate’, look he doesn’t drink doesn’t do all that, it’s great but some of his comments I don’t agree with and I think he’s wrong here.”

[ClivePatrickLyons]

This is what is played at sporting events, whether it be boxing, football, the olympics or the races and this is what Mundine is asking people to sit down for:

Australians all let us rejoice
For we are young and free
We've golden soil and wealth for toil
Our home is girt by sea
Our land abounds in nature's gifts
Of beauty rich and rare
In history's page, let every stage
Advance Australia Fair
In joyful strains then let us sing
Advance Australia Fair

Anthony, point me at the part that offends you so much you think people should refuse to stand for?

I''m not pointing at anything in particular that offends me or anyone but mate just out or curiosity what does the line ''In History's page,let every stage'' actually mean.

In the context of how it is used in the song to me it means we cherish our history. It sure as hell doesn't offend me. I can tell you that much.

So we cherish our HISTORY if your got NO Aboriginal blood in you I can SEE why it DOES'NT OFFEND YOU

[bogan whisperer]

I''m not pointing at anything in particular that offends me or anyone but mate just out or curiosity what does the line ''In History's page,let every stage'' actually mean.

In the context of how it is used in the song to me it means we cherish our history. It sure as hell doesn't offend me. I can tell you that much.

So we cherish our HISTORY if your got NO Aboriginal blood in you I can SEE why it DOES'NT OFFEND YOU

Wendell Sailor is indigenous and made his feelings quite clear on Mundine's comments and Advance Australia Fair.

“Whenever I’ve worn the Australian jersey or the Queensland jersey and the national anthem is being played, I understand where I come from and what the past has been in Australia but I just don’t agree with Choc on that.”

[ClivePatrickLyons]

In the context of how it is used in the song to me it means we cherish our history. It sure as hell doesn't offend me. I can tell you that much.

So we cherish our HISTORY if your got NO Aboriginal blood in you I can SEE why it DOES'NT OFFEND YOU

Wendell Sailor is indigenous made his comments quite clear on Mundine's comments and Advance Australia Fair.

“Whenever I’ve worn the Australian jersey or the Queensland jersey and the national anthem is being played, I understand where I come from and what the past has been in Australia but I just don’t agree with Choc on that.”

That's good that Wendell feels that way I would probably feel the same way if I played in the Green and Gold or played in Origin Choc played Origin i'm sure he stood for the National Anthem he the same as myself and Wendell have Indigenous blood in us I must admit I never really had an opinion on this because I think we have other issue's right now in our country that are at this point in time more important i'm not saying this subject has no time for discussion but like I said in my view there are bigger issue's that need addressing before this one BUT then again if there are more people like you that think OUR HISTORY IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF THEN THAT MAKES ME THINK O MY GOD

[bogan whisperer]

Mundine's comments will be forgotten in a week or two and Advance Australia Fair Will remain our national anthem. That much I do know.

[Mr. Plainview]

We definitely live in a lucky country, But what exactly about our history is there to be proud of and take pride in?
What have we done exactly?

[Mr. Plainview]

That's another thing about patriotic pride I don't get.

All we did was win the friggin lottery by being born here.

We didn't earn anything.

[Tinnie]

Tinnie the negativity is not just because of Mundine(though I bet if someone else said it, it would be taken more seriously), if you read the thread it's a bunch of *presumably* white Australians saying he or anyone else has any right to be offended because the offensive lyrics in the song have been edited out. They don't or won't understand why he or anyone else could say that using lyrics taken from the original advance Australia fair is ignorant.

Yes this argument would carry a lot more weight if it was raised by someone other than Anthony Mundine. I think its clear as day why.

Honestly dont want to get into a slinging match about this mate, if there is genuine offence taken at the anthem, then maybe it is something that needs to be addressed.

I just feel more pressing issues like poverty, detainment, abuse while in detainment,suicide, education and day to day problems faced by Indigenous communties are getting no attention on the public stage while we all argue over whether Mundine is right or wrong.

I guess he has done it again.

I wish people listened to more Stan Grants... and less Anthony Mundines....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... as-felt-it

[p4p1]

Tinnie the negativity is not just because of Mundine(though I bet if someone else said it, it would be taken more seriously), if you read the thread it's a bunch of *presumably* white Australians saying he or anyone else has any right to be offended because the offensive lyrics in the song have been edited out. They don't or won't understand why he or anyone else could say that using lyrics taken from the original advance Australia fair is ignorant.

Yes this argument would carry a lot more weight if it was raised by someone other than Anthony Mundine. I think its clear as day why.

Honestly dont want to get into a slinging match about this mate, if there is genuine offence taken at the anthem, then maybe it is something that needs to be addressed.

I just feel more pressing issues like poverty, detainment, abuse while in detainment,suicide, education and day to day problems faced by Indigenous communties are getting no attention on the public stage while we all argue over whether Mundine is right or wrong.

I guess he has done it again.

I wish people listened to more Stan Grants... and less Anthony Mundines....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... as-felt-it

I would agree with that there's so many more important issues than the anthem but the attack on Mundine is that his statement have no substance when it absolutely does. I'm not aboriginal but I believe Mundine has a point about advance Australia fair due to its HISTORY(Remember all the people in this thread saying they're proud of our history because history is important) to be totally honest as I've gotten older I believe that aboriginal people have a very fair objection to Jan 26th being our nations day of celebration when it marked the start of horrible oppression for their people.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Tinnie the negativity is not just because of Mundine(though I bet if someone else said it, it would be taken more seriously), if you read the thread it's a bunch of *presumably* white Australians saying he or anyone else has any right to be offended because the offensive lyrics in the song have been edited out. They don't or won't understand why he or anyone else could say that using lyrics taken from the original advance Australia fair is ignorant.

Yes this argument would carry a lot more weight if it was raised by someone other than Anthony Mundine. I think its clear as day why.

Honestly dont want to get into a slinging match about this mate, if there is genuine offence taken at the anthem, then maybe it is something that needs to be addressed.

I just feel more pressing issues like poverty, detainment, abuse while in detainment,suicide, education and day to day problems faced by Indigenous communties are getting no attention on the public stage while we all argue over whether Mundine is right or wrong.

I guess he has done it again.

I wish people listened to more Stan Grants... and less Anthony Mundines....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... as-felt-it

I would agree with that there's so many more important issues than the anthem but the attack on Mundine is that his statement have no substance when it absolutely does. I'm not aboriginal but I believe Mundine has a point about advance Australia fair due to its HISTORY(Remember all the people in this thread saying they're proud of our history because history is important) to be totally honest as I've gotten older I believe that aboriginal people have a very fair objection to Jan 26th being our nations day of celebration when it marked the start of horrible oppression for their people.

OUR HISTORY

[The Raw Prawn]

Current Indigenous Australian Politicians [Federal]

Pat Dodson Labor WA Senate
Linda Burney Labor NSW Reps
Malarndirri McCarthy Labor NT Senate
Ken Wyatt Liberal WA Reps

These are the people Aboriginal Australians should be looking to for leadership.

Not a divisive, self promoting opportunist like Anthony Mundine.

[DA GOOSE]

Looks like he's achieved his purpose here.

[The Raw Prawn]

Looks like he's achieved his purpose here.

Highly unlikely that he's won over any new fans.

[bogan whisperer]

Current Indigenous Australian Politicians [Federal]

Pat Dodson Labor WA Senate
Linda Burney Labor NSW Reps
Malarndirri McCarthy Labor NT Senate
Ken Wyatt Liberal WA Reps

These are the people Aboriginal Australians should be looking to for leadership.

Not a divisive, self promoting opportunist like Anthony Mundine.

What an excellent suggestion.

[amwsnw]

Chic is opinionated and the media feeds on it. I'm pretty sure he only came up with this after seeing some of the NFL lads do something similar.

[Beltane]

All in all, Mundine is girt by his own humbug.

[DA GOOSE]

Looks like he's achieved his purpose here.

Highly unlikely that he's won over any new fans.

Doubt he cares he always say's stuff like this for attention. Too late to start trying to win popularity contests for Mundine.

[DA GOOSE]

All in all, Mundine is girt by his own humbug.