Boxing needs more weight classes!

[oogiebe]

Imagine how great multi-divisional champs had to be back when the divisions were:

Flyweight: 112 lbs (8 st / 50,802 Kg)
Bantamweight: 118 (8 st 6 lbs / 53,525 kg)
Featherweight: 126 (9 st / 57,153 kg)
Lightweight: 135 (9 st 9 lbs / 61,235 kg)
Welterweight: 147 (10½ st / 66,678 kg)
Middleweight: 160 (11 st 6 lbs / 72,574 kg)
Light Heavyweight: 175 (12½ st / 79,378 kg)
Heavyweight: (unlimited)

Henry Armstrong won three:

Featherweight (1937), welterweight (1938), lightweight (1938)

112 lbs - 135 lbs...imagine...

[oogiebe]

Imagine how great multi-divisional champs had to be back when the divisions were:

Flyweight: 112 lbs (8 st / 50,802 Kg)
Bantamweight: 118 (8 st 6 lbs / 53,525 kg)
Featherweight: 126 (9 st / 57,153 kg)
Lightweight: 135 (9 st 9 lbs / 61,235 kg)
Welterweight: 147 (10½ st / 66,678 kg)
Middleweight: 160 (11 st 6 lbs / 72,574 kg)
Light Heavyweight: 175 (12½ st / 79,378 kg)
Heavyweight: (unlimited)

Henry Armstrong won three:

Featherweight (1937), welterweight (1938), lightweight (1938)

112 lbs - 135 lbs...imagine...

and he had a draw in his attempt at the Middleweight title. That's 48 lbs. THAT is a multi-divisional champion!

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Caneloweight (155), super caneloweight (164.5) and cleaneloweight (185)??

The last one sponsored by Chepo Reynoso's butcher's shop?

[oogiebe]

Caneloweight (155), super caneloweight (164.5) and cleaneloweight (185)??

The last one sponsored by Chepo Reynoso's butcher's shop?

And the hits just keep on coming! OMG...this is the best.

[BitPlayer]

Butterbean weight 400Ibs, Light Butterbean weight 350Ibs, Super Butterbean weight over 400Ibs
Pie weight 314Ibs
Mathsweight 123Ibs

[Enlightened-One]

The IBF, WBA,WBC and WBO need more championship sanctioning fees. There are only 10 weight classes in the thirty five pounds between 105 lb. Minimumweight and 140 lbs. Jr. Welterweight. . . .I am calling for more weight divisions. . . .at 102 lbs. the Ant-weight classs, At 100 lbs. the Midget-weight class and the 98 lb. Weakling-weight class.. . . .more can be added at a later time. Perhaps the Micro-weight class and the Atom-weight class.. . . .Junior divisions can also be made at every pound so that every boxer can fight for a title.

Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

Not that I feel that height is hugely relevant, but the average heavyweight is significantly bigger (in height and weight) than their cruiserweight counterparts and I believe that the creation of a new weight class is necessary to fill the void.

Even if people disagree with me, I’m not the only person proposing this idea, since the WBC’s medical team are already researching the feasibility of this. It’s inevitable, though the new weight class may not be introduced this year or next, it’ll surely be created within the next five years or so.

I’ll wait for the predictable retort, whereby some lunatic, who hasn’t researched the heights/weights of the top sixty heavyweights, attempts to debunk my theory by listing a few notable exceptions to the general rule.

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Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

I'd agree with that. Drop cruiserweight back to 190, set a heavyweight limit of 210 or 215, then call anything above that super heavyweight.

I'd balance it up at the low end though, by scrapping 105, 108, 112 and 115, and replacing them with 106, 110 and 114. That evens up the % differences in weight so they'd be roughly the same as the jumps in the bantam to super middleweight range.

[Enlightened-One]

Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

I'd agree with that. Drop cruiserweight back to 190, set a heavyweight limit of 210 or 215, then call anything above that super heavyweight.

I'd balance it up at the low end though, by scrapping 105, 108, 112 and 115, and replacing them with 106, 110 and 114. That evens up the % differences in weight so they'd be roughly the same as the jumps in the bantam to super middleweight range.

To be honest, I’ve always refrained from commenting on the differences between the weight classes of the lighter divisions, because I’m not hugely familiar with the men that compete in them or their physicality.

I don’t know if it’s commonplace for nearly all fighters that compete at 105lbs to make the jump to 108lbs. I’m sure a lot of the top dogs do, but if the vast majority of the remainder don’t, then perhaps the weight class needs to exist. I have the same thoughts for the other lighter weight divisions also.

To be fair, I honestly don’t know what it’s like to be such a small adult in the first place and attempt to drop 3lbs. A lot of us could do this by simply going to the toilet and not consuming liquid for a several hours, without feeling drained, but it’s probably proportionally much more challenging to achieve this sort of short-term weight loss if you’re a really small guy with low levels of body fat.

I also doubt that the sports’ governing bodies earn very much from the sanctioning fees, since I don’t believe that the men that compete in the lighter weight classes earn very much money in the first place (some of the world champions have to fight cab driver journeymen between title defences in order to keep paying their bills). So I have to discount “greed” as the motivation for the existence of some of the weight classes in the lower divisions. I don’t think losing a few championship belts from those divisions would affect the profit and loss accounts of the WBA, WBC, IBF & the WBO one iota.

If I was to enter the ring right now, I’d be a light heavyweight. I have zero empathy for grown men that weigh around the 105lbs mark or those slightly heavier. So it’s easy for me to say that losing or gaining three or four pounds is trivial, since I’m a giant compared to those guys.

[BitPlayer]

The IBF, WBA,WBC and WBO need more championship sanctioning fees. There are only 10 weight classes in the thirty five pounds between 105 lb. Minimumweight and 140 lbs. Jr. Welterweight. . . .I am calling for more weight divisions. . . .at 102 lbs. the Ant-weight classs, At 100 lbs. the Midget-weight class and the 98 lb. Weakling-weight class.. . . .more can be added at a later time. Perhaps the Micro-weight class and the Atom-weight class.. . . .Junior divisions can also be made at every pound so that every boxer can fight for a title.

Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

Not that I feel that height is hugely relevant, but the average heavyweight is significantly bigger (in height and weight) than their cruiserweight counterparts and I believe that the creation of a new weight class is necessary to fill the void.

Even if people disagree with me, I’m not the only person proposing this idea, since the WBC’s medical team are already researching the feasibility of this. It’s inevitable, though the new weight class may not be introduced this year or next, it’ll surely be created within the next five years or so.

I’ll wait for the predictable retort, whereby some lunatic, who hasn’t researched the heights/weights of the top sixty heavyweights, attempts to debunk my theory by listing a few notable exceptions to the general rule.

How many 250Ib world level boxers are there that don't carry a lot of excess weight?

People want to fight in the highest division.

[Enlightened-One]

The IBF, WBA,WBC and WBO need more championship sanctioning fees. There are only 10 weight classes in the thirty five pounds between 105 lb. Minimumweight and 140 lbs. Jr. Welterweight. . . .I am calling for more weight divisions. . . .at 102 lbs. the Ant-weight classs, At 100 lbs. the Midget-weight class and the 98 lb. Weakling-weight class.. . . .more can be added at a later time. Perhaps the Micro-weight class and the Atom-weight class.. . . .Junior divisions can also be made at every pound so that every boxer can fight for a title.

Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

Not that I feel that height is hugely relevant, but the average heavyweight is significantly bigger (in height and weight) than their cruiserweight counterparts and I believe that the creation of a new weight class is necessary to fill the void.

Even if people disagree with me, I’m not the only person proposing this idea, since the WBC’s medical team are already researching the feasibility of this. It’s inevitable, though the new weight class may not be introduced this year or next, it’ll surely be created within the next five years or so.

I’ll wait for the predictable retort, whereby some lunatic, who hasn’t researched the heights/weights of the top sixty heavyweights, attempts to debunk my theory by listing a few notable exceptions to the general rule.

How many 250Ib world level boxers are there that don't carry a lot of excess weight?

People want to fight in the highest division.

Boxing isn’t a bodybuilding contest and I’d argue that most heavyweights, whilst not being particularly well-defined, do not carry excessive weight… with “excessive” being the operative word.

Historically-speaking, barring a few obvious notable exceptions, the physiques of heavyweights from previous eras are no better than the current crop of big men.

The main difference relates to the fact that the vast majority opponents of the prime versions of legends like Mike Tyson, Larry Holmes and George Foreman were simply the modern-day equivalents of rehydrated 175lb-ers or cruiserweights (in both height and weight).

I’ve already supplied the stats to the forum, so I possess an educated opinion that was thoroughly researched.

[oogiebe]

Butterbean weight 400Ibs, Light Butterbean weight 350Ibs, Super Butterbean weight over 400Ibs
Pie weight 314Ibs
Mathsweight 123Ibs

Too early to laugh!!!! Two Ton Tony Galento trained at his bar. I like that.

[oogiebe]

The IBF, WBA,WBC and WBO need more championship sanctioning fees. There are only 10 weight classes in the thirty five pounds between 105 lb. Minimumweight and 140 lbs. Jr. Welterweight. . . .I am calling for more weight divisions. . . .at 102 lbs. the Ant-weight classs, At 100 lbs. the Midget-weight class and the 98 lb. Weakling-weight class.. . . .more can be added at a later time. Perhaps the Micro-weight class and the Atom-weight class.. . . .Junior divisions can also be made at every pound so that every boxer can fight for a title.

Whilst I appreciate the humour in your comments, I do feel that there is a genuine need for the creation of a new weight class between the 200lbs cruiserweight limit and the typical 6’ 5” 250lbs average physical bench mark of a top-tier world-class heavyweight.

Not that I feel that height is hugely relevant, but the average heavyweight is significantly bigger (in height and weight) than their cruiserweight counterparts and I believe that the creation of a new weight class is necessary to fill the void.

Even if people disagree with me, I’m not the only person proposing this idea, since the WBC’s medical team are already researching the feasibility of this. It’s inevitable, though the new weight class may not be introduced this year or next, it’ll surely be created within the next five years or so.

I’ll wait for the predictable retort, whereby some lunatic, who hasn’t researched the heights/weights of the top sixty heavyweights, attempts to debunk my theory by listing a few notable exceptions to the general rule.

Humans keep getting bigger, so any new class created in the upper division will need to be added time and time again. I'm not sure what the answer is there.

[asdfjkl]

Imagine how great multi-divisional champs had to be back when the divisions were:

Flyweight: 112 lbs (8 st / 50,802 Kg)
Bantamweight: 118 (8 st 6 lbs / 53,525 kg)
Featherweight: 126 (9 st / 57,153 kg)
Lightweight: 135 (9 st 9 lbs / 61,235 kg)
Welterweight: 147 (10½ st / 66,678 kg)
Middleweight: 160 (11 st 6 lbs / 72,574 kg)
Light Heavyweight: 175 (12½ st / 79,378 kg)
Heavyweight: (unlimited)

Henry Armstrong won three:

Featherweight (1937), welterweight (1938), lightweight (1938)

112 lbs - 135 lbs...imagine...

and he had a draw in his attempt at the Middleweight title. That's 48 lbs. THAT is a multi-divisional champion!

That's why we need less divisions, otherwise even an absolute idiot can get a title. There are piles of world champions I've never heard about already, let alone when there are even more divisions.

[oogiebe]

Imagine how great multi-divisional champs had to be back when the divisions were:

Flyweight: 112 lbs (8 st / 50,802 Kg)
Bantamweight: 118 (8 st 6 lbs / 53,525 kg)
Featherweight: 126 (9 st / 57,153 kg)
Lightweight: 135 (9 st 9 lbs / 61,235 kg)
Welterweight: 147 (10½ st / 66,678 kg)
Middleweight: 160 (11 st 6 lbs / 72,574 kg)
Light Heavyweight: 175 (12½ st / 79,378 kg)
Heavyweight: (unlimited)

Henry Armstrong won three:

Featherweight (1937), welterweight (1938), lightweight (1938)

112 lbs - 135 lbs...imagine...

and he had a draw in his attempt at the Middleweight title. That's 48 lbs. THAT is a multi-divisional champion!

That's why we need less divisions, otherwise even an absolute idiot can get a title. There are piles of world champions I've never heard about already, let alone when there are even more divisions.

Agreed. For the sake of money, they kill the sweet science. "Even an absolute idiot can get a title" or multiple. I don't think 3 - 6 pounds makes someone special above Lightweight.

[asdfjkl]

and he had a draw in his attempt at the Middleweight title. That's 48 lbs. THAT is a multi-divisional champion!

That's why we need less divisions, otherwise even an absolute idiot can get a title. There are piles of world champions I've never heard about already, let alone when there are even more divisions.

Agreed. For the sake of money, they kill the sweet science. "Even an absolute idiot can get a title" or multiple. I don't think 3 - 6 pounds makes someone special above Lightweight.

In my opinion we need less weightclasses.
It shouldn't be that a boxer only needs to drop like 3 pounds to be in a different weightclass and another 3 to get in another other weightclass.

I think this is sarcastic...(at least I hope so!!!!) lololoL!

Are you the same guy?

[oogiebe]

That's why we need less divisions, otherwise even an absolute idiot can get a title. There are piles of world champions I've never heard about already, let alone when there are even more divisions.

Agreed. For the sake of money, they kill the sweet science. "Even an absolute idiot can get a title" or multiple. I don't think 3 - 6 pounds makes someone special above Lightweight.

In my opinion we need less weightclasses.
It shouldn't be that a boxer only needs to drop like 3 pounds to be in a different weightclass and another 3 to get in another other weightclass.

I think this is sarcastic...(at least I hope so!!!!) lololoL!

Are you the same guy?

Yes,,,and I was referring to the thread. I think the poster meant this to be sarcastic. Why do you ask?

[asdfjkl]

Agreed. For the sake of money, they kill the sweet science. "Even an absolute idiot can get a title" or multiple. I don't think 3 - 6 pounds makes someone special above Lightweight.

I think this is sarcastic...(at least I hope so!!!!) lololoL!

Are you the same guy?

Yes,,,and I was referring to the thread. I think the poster meant this to be sarcastic. Why do you ask?

Oh lol, I didn't even read his post, I just saw the title and thought oh no no this again and made a post, not even reading his post at all. Oke, maybe I should have done lol.

[oogiebe]

Are you the same guy?

Yes,,,and I was referring to the thread. I think the poster meant this to be sarcastic. Why do you ask?

Oh lol, I didn't even read his post, I just saw the title and thought oh no no this again and made a post, not even reading his post at all. Oke, maybe I should have done lol.

No worries. That's why I posted response to your post. It looked like you thought it was serious!!! LOL! Be well my friend!

[Loki]

Less classes, less ABCs and certainly no super or diamond champions.

[ValMar]

One champion - one division.
Optimum - 12 divisions, maximum - 14 divisions.
I would like to see these changes : SMW - 172, LHW - 185, CW - 210, HW + 210.

[oogiebe]

One champion - one division.
Optimum - 12 divisions, maximum - 14 divisions.
I would like to see these changes : SMW - 172, LHW - 185, CW - 210, HW + 210.

Unfortunately for us...it'll never happen without every boxing fan participating in some organized action.

All the alphabet orgs make so much money on fees and promotions. Who's going to give up their seat? (frankly I wish they all would). This also impacts getting the best fights, or demanded fights. When it becomes a business, it sucks.

[ValMar]

One champion - one division.
Optimum - 12 divisions, maximum - 14 divisions.
I would like to see these changes : SMW - 172, LHW - 185, CW - 210, HW + 210.

Unfortunately for us...it'll never happen without every boxing fan participating in some organized action.

All the alphabet orgs make so much money on fees and promotions. Who's going to give up their seat? (frankly I wish they all would). This also impacts getting the best fights, or demanded fights. When it becomes a business, it sucks.

Unfortunately for us - I agree with you. Boxing is already half-dead sport.

[oogiebe]

One champion - one division.
Optimum - 12 divisions, maximum - 14 divisions.
I would like to see these changes : SMW - 172, LHW - 185, CW - 210, HW + 210.

Unfortunately for us...it'll never happen without every boxing fan participating in some organized action.

All the alphabet orgs make so much money on fees and promotions. Who's going to give up their seat? (frankly I wish they all would). This also impacts getting the best fights, or demanded fights. When it becomes a business, it sucks.

Unfortunately for us - I agree with you. Boxing is already half-dead sport.

It is so very sad. Crappy fights; good fights made too late; he can't fight him because they are both under the same promotional group; WBO/WBC/WBA/IBF, etc. not ranking the other orgs' champions, thus NEVER being mandatory. But we keep paying for it. The fighters have no say...I guess some don't want any.

[ValMar]

Unfortunately for us...it'll never happen without every boxing fan participating in some organized action.

All the alphabet orgs make so much money on fees and promotions. Who's going to give up their seat? (frankly I wish they all would). This also impacts getting the best fights, or demanded fights. When it becomes a business, it sucks.

Unfortunately for us - I agree with you. Boxing is already half-dead sport.

It is so very sad. Crappy fights; good fights made too late; he can't fight him because they are both under the same promotional group; WBO/WBC/WBA/IBF, etc. not ranking the other orgs' champions, thus NEVER being mandatory. But we keep paying for it. The fighters have no say...I guess some don't want any.

Yes.......

[oogiebe]

Unfortunately for us - I agree with you. Boxing is already half-dead sport.

It is so very sad. Crappy fights; good fights made too late; he can't fight him because they are both under the same promotional group; WBO/WBC/WBA/IBF, etc. not ranking the other orgs' champions, thus NEVER being mandatory. But we keep paying for it. The fighters have no say...I guess some don't want any.

Yes.......

Sheesh! I think I'd rather debate AJ v. Wilder, much as I've had it up to here with that one.