Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

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candyslim wrote: 12 Sep 2018, 14:59 Your opinion of Chisora seems to have taken an upturn, assuming they are your own rankings. I got the impression you thought he was a bit sh1t (having seen nothing worthy of praise in his performance against Takam)
I still have him in the lower part of the top 20
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Sep 2018, 12:58 UPDATE!!

1 Anthony Joshua - 21-0-0 (20)
2 Deontay Wilder - 40-0-0 (39)
3 Dillian Whyte - 24-1-0 (17)
4 Luis Ortiz - 29-1-0 (25)
5 Alexander Povetkin - 34-1-0 (24)
6 Jarrell Miller - 21-0-1 (18)
7 Dereck Chisora - 28-8-0 (21)
8 Tyson Fury - 27-0-0 (19)
9 Joseph Parker - 24-2-0 (18)
10 Adam Kownacki - 18-0-0 (14)*
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* New entry

Dominic Breazeale has been bumped out!
No way is Chisora the 7th best heavyweight in the world.
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Re: Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

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candyslim wrote: 12 Sep 2018, 14:59 Your opinion of Chisora seems to have taken an upturn, assuming they are your own rankings. I got the impression you thought he was a bit sh1t (having seen nothing worthy of praise in his performance against Takam)
Not my rankings. It’s TBRB. Chisora is ranked there because he beat Takam. Prior to the fight taking place, Takam was in the Top 10. Maybe it’s. ‘You beat a top 10, you’re in the top 10’..
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Sep 2018, 17:07
candyslim wrote: 12 Sep 2018, 14:59 Your opinion of Chisora seems to have taken an upturn, assuming they are your own rankings. I got the impression you thought he was a bit sh1t (having seen nothing worthy of praise in his performance against Takam)
Not my rankings. It’s TBRB. Chisora is ranked there because he beat Takam. Prior to the fight taking place, Takam was in the Top 10. Maybe it’s. ‘You beat a top 10, you’re in the top 10’..
Oh not yours then, that makes sense. Dereck deserves recognition for a good win but he is never worthy of 7th place in the rankings.

Still, massively more justifiable then Trevor Bryan and Chris Lovejoy's WBA ranking, so I won't waste any indignation on that.
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candyslim wrote: 13 Sep 2018, 02:23 Oh not yours then, that makes sense. Dereck deserves recognition for a good win but he is never worthy of 7th place in the rankings.

Still, massively more justifiable then Trevor Bryan and Chris Lovejoy's WBA ranking, so I won't waste any indignation on that.
Although he's got a load of losses and only a few decent wins, there aren't loads of heavyweights out there with a better win than over Takam over the past few years in my opinion.
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joshj909 wrote: 13 Sep 2018, 06:54
candyslim wrote: 13 Sep 2018, 02:23 Oh not yours then, that makes sense. Dereck deserves recognition for a good win but he is never worthy of 7th place in the rankings.

Still, massively more justifiable then Trevor Bryan and Chris Lovejoy's WBA ranking, so I won't waste any indignation on that.
Although he's got a load of losses and only a few decent wins, there aren't loads of heavyweights out there with a better win than over Takam over the past few years in my opinion.
Yeh, with these lists, it's not all-time. It's basically week-by-week basis. If you're inactive, you're out...

Regardless of ability, if Chisora knocked out AJ.. You'd have to rank in top 3
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when ppl go on about dels losses, like its really bad or something for him to have lost so much, its important to look at who hes lost to

klit
haye
fury x2
whyte
pulev
helenius (awful robbery)
kaybayel

thats an absolute top tier level of opposition. basically everyone that legitimately beat him is world class and has been top 5 or better, except for kaybayel. imo his losses shouldnt hurt him so much that he cant be placed in top 10s.

takam is one of the stonger recent wins in the division, so it makes sense that currently hed have a good rating. and he was pretty much even with whyte, who is now in many if not mist top 5s
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jamamb wrote: 13 Sep 2018, 08:02 when ppl go on about dels losses, like its really bad or something for him to have lost so much, its important to look at who hes lost to
It's like saying Pacquiao shouldn't be a top 10 because he's lost 7..

Or Salido shouldn't be ranked because his losses are double figure.
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yep, the better the opposition, the less losses should hurt your rating. chisora has fought an extremely high level of opposition so imo him having 8 losses isnt a big enough deal to rule him out of the top 10
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Chisora actually won vs Helenius, Whyte and Kabayel fight arguably could go either way. The rest of his losses were against guys that most of people considered top 3 or at least top 5 (in Pulevs case most of people had him at least in top 7) recently he beaten Carlos Takam that was considered a top 10 by most. Chisora deserves some credit, he is the top 10-15, i personally rank him as 12

1.Anthony Joshua
2.Alexander Povetkin
3.Deontay Wilder
4.Luis Ortiz
5.Tyson Fury
6.Kubrat Pulev
7.Jarrell Miller
8.Dillian Whyte
9.Joseph Parker
10.Dominic Breazeale
11.Adam Kownacki
12.Dereck Chisora
13.Filip Hrgovic
14.Bryant Jennings
15.Mariusz Wach
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Off the top of my head, Chisora's only real losses are Klitschko, Fury x2, Pulev, and Haye. All of these fighters have been top 2 in the world at one point with Klitschko being a titlist and Fury becoming undisputed.

The rest of his losses could've gone either way or are robberies. Only the elite beat Chisora.
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I can think of atleast 10 HWs id back to beat Chisora. :maybe:

The winner of Hfury V Pulev will probably make the list or at least be the best HW off it (on paper anyway). :TU:
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I propose a Lovejoy vs Junlong bout with the winner versus Fabio Maldanado.
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actjac wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 23:11 I propose a Lovejoy vs Junlong bout with the winner versus Fabio Maldanado.
As an MMA fan i was aware of Fabio Maldonado's boxing background but i had no idea about his record. That is potentially the most padded 25-0 i have ever seen.
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If Chisora is in the top 10 then why not Kabayel who easily outpointed him. Real truth is Chisora should be top 15-20.
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Lennox wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:34 If Chisora is in the top 10 then why not Kabayel who easily outpointed him. Real truth is Chisora should be top 15-20.
Agreed. Chisora will go back to being an opponent again soon enough
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tiny_acres wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:46
Lennox wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:34 If Chisora is in the top 10 then why not Kabayel who easily outpointed him. Real truth is Chisora should be top 15-20.
Agreed. Chisora will go back to being an opponent again soon enough
Because at the time Kabayel beat Chisora, Chisora wasn’t considered top 10. Takam was. Yu beat top 10 ranked, you’re surely getting a top 10 rank.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 13:21
tiny_acres wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:46
Lennox wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:34 If Chisora is in the top 10 then why not Kabayel who easily outpointed him. Real truth is Chisora should be top 15-20.
Agreed. Chisora will go back to being an opponent again soon enough
Because at the time Kabayel beat Chisora, Chisora wasn’t considered top 10. Takam was. Yu beat top 10 ranked, you’re surely getting a top 10 rank.
Wasn't Ustinov a boxrec top 10 fighter when Charr beat him?
Charr didn't become top 10.
Chisora has lost closely I admit to every single top 10 opponent excluding Takam.
1 win does not push him into the top 10 in my opinion
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takams way better then ustinov, ustinovs an obese 40 year old whose done nothing and hardly fought anyone.

as for boxrec rating takam had 80 points when chis beat him, ustinov had 49 when charr beat him

ya chis has his losses but his level of oppisition has been excellent
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Re: Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

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tiny_acres wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 13:28
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 13:21
tiny_acres wrote: 20 Sep 2018, 12:46

Agreed. Chisora will go back to being an opponent again soon enough
Because at the time Kabayel beat Chisora, Chisora wasn’t considered top 10. Takam was. Yu beat top 10 ranked, you’re surely getting a top 10 rank.
Wasn't Ustinov a boxrec top 10 fighter when Charr beat him?
Charr didn't become top 10.
Chisora has lost closely I admit to every single top 10 opponent excluding Takam.
1 win does not push him into the top 10 in my opinion
Big difference. Boxrec is computerised ans based on points. TBRB is based on a panel of over 50 experts around the world.
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actjac wrote: 19 Sep 2018, 23:11 I propose a Lovejoy vs Junlong bout with the winner versus Fabio Maldanado.
And the winner of that gets a top 50 ranking?
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