Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 12:12 I can't believe this fight was remotely controversial to anyone. Derevyanchenko was busier but his shots were usually blocked or glancing. It wasn't a blowout or anything but 115-112 Jacobs was the 100% correct score.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 13:38
jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 12:12 I can't believe this fight was remotely controversial to anyone. Derevyanchenko was busier but his shots were usually blocked or glancing. It wasn't a blowout or anything but 115-112 Jacobs was the 100% correct score.
You were listening to the commentary too much. I bet you thought Jacobs blocked so many shots yet was the one that was broken down by the end of the fight. Close fight that could've gone either way.
Could have gone either way. But the fact that it’s gone to Jacobs some can’t take it.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 13:38
jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 12:12 I can't believe this fight was remotely controversial to anyone. Derevyanchenko was busier but his shots were usually blocked or glancing. It wasn't a blowout or anything but 115-112 Jacobs was the 100% correct score.
You were listening to the commentary too much. I bet you thought Jacobs blocked so many shots yet was the one that was broken down by the end of the fight. Close fight that could've gone either way.
No, I wasn't. I was watching the fight carefully. Just because Jacobs was more tired at the end of the fight doesn't mean he was the one getting hit harder. That logic is not sound.

If you gave Derev the benefit of the doubt in most of the rounds I suppose you could have found a way to give him the decision 114-113, but to act like this was any sort of robbery is absolutely absurd.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:12
Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 13:38
jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 12:12 I can't believe this fight was remotely controversial to anyone. Derevyanchenko was busier but his shots were usually blocked or glancing. It wasn't a blowout or anything but 115-112 Jacobs was the 100% correct score.
You were listening to the commentary too much. I bet you thought Jacobs blocked so many shots yet was the one that was broken down by the end of the fight. Close fight that could've gone either way.
Could have gone either way. But the fact that it’s gone to Jacobs some can’t take it.
I don't mind that Jacobs won it at all. It was difficult to score a lot of the rounds; although, I do think Derevyanchenko won rounds 9-12. I just find it hilarious people saying Jacobs dodged or block a lot of shots when he's the one that got broken down by the end of the fight. All those body shots took a toll.

No robbery here, but I think Derevyanchenko will have improved exponentially after this. His ceiling is a lot higher than Jacobs'.

I mean the guy had a razor close fight with Jacobs after 12 fights with B- to C class fighters.

Quite the fighter Dervyanchenko is, and I just hope he isn't ducked by any of the contenders. I think he'll beat Charlo and Saunders.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:14
Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 13:38
jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 12:12 I can't believe this fight was remotely controversial to anyone. Derevyanchenko was busier but his shots were usually blocked or glancing. It wasn't a blowout or anything but 115-112 Jacobs was the 100% correct score.
You were listening to the commentary too much. I bet you thought Jacobs blocked so many shots yet was the one that was broken down by the end of the fight. Close fight that could've gone either way.
No, I wasn't. I was watching the fight carefully. Just because Jacobs was more tired at the end of the fight doesn't mean he was the one getting hit harder. That logic is not sound.

If you gave Derev the benefit of the doubt in most of the rounds I suppose you could have found a way to give him the decision 114-113, but to act like this was any sort of robbery is absolutely absurd.
Jacobs was broken down! He even said in the post-fight commentary that Derevyanchenko had an effect on him. Also, I didn't say at all it was a robbery. Just that it's foolish to say that Jacobs blocked a lot of shots when he was obviously broken down by the 12th.

You don't need to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. It was a close fight that could've gone either way.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:18 No robbery here, but I think Derevyanchenko will have improved exponentially after this. His ceiling is a lot higher than Jacobs'.

I mean the guy had a razor close fight with Jacobs after 12 fights with B- to C class fighters.

Quite the fighter Dervyanchenko is, and I just hope he isn't ducked by any of the contenders. I think he'll beat Charlo and Saunders.
Yeh. Derev’s stock has certainly risen after this. Hopefully his next fight is also a decent opponent.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:21
jujigatame wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:14
Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 13:38

You were listening to the commentary too much. I bet you thought Jacobs blocked so many shots yet was the one that was broken down by the end of the fight. Close fight that could've gone either way.
No, I wasn't. I was watching the fight carefully. Just because Jacobs was more tired at the end of the fight doesn't mean he was the one getting hit harder. That logic is not sound.

If you gave Derev the benefit of the doubt in most of the rounds I suppose you could have found a way to give him the decision 114-113, but to act like this was any sort of robbery is absolutely absurd.
Jacobs was broken down! He even said in the post-fight commentary that Derevyanchenko had an effect on him. Also, I didn't say at all it was a robbery. Just that it's foolish to say that Jacobs blocked a lot of shots when he was obviously broken down by the 12th.

You don't need to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. It was a close fight that could've gone either way.
He absolutely did block a lot of shots. Derev tired him out by keeping a high pace but he wasn't hurt and most of the cleaner shots throughout were from Jacobs. Derev came on strong in the last few rounds as Jacobs tired, but IMO it was too late after Jacobs dominated the middle of the fight.

And if you don't think it was a robbery I don't know what we're even arguing about.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 07:16
Blodhemn wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 02:51
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 00:56
It was a close but clear decision for Jacobs.
Must be using different meaning of the word clear. Close but anything but clear. Had Sergiy up, even giving Danny more split rounds. Jacobs was pretty much finished in the championship rounds.
From round 6, until the championship rounds was all Jacobs. He took full control. I agree Derev came on strong last few rounds. I don’t think the KD would have made a difference whether it was or not.
I'm not convinced 6-9 was all Jacobs. Scoring has become so subjective I'm not really concerned about it. It was a close fight that realistically could've gone either way. If it's held in anywhere but the US or UK, Sergiy probably gets the W. I'm more so just sickened by the one-sided narrative via UK or US tv commentary. It's like the story is written beforehand. Just sick of it. Glad HBO is done.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 15:19
Mexi-Box wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 14:18 No robbery here, but I think Derevyanchenko will have improved exponentially after this. His ceiling is a lot higher than Jacobs'.

I mean the guy had a razor close fight with Jacobs after 12 fights with B- to C class fighters.

Quite the fighter Dervyanchenko is, and I just hope he isn't ducked by any of the contenders. I think he'll beat Charlo and Saunders.
Yeh. Derev’s stock has certainly risen after this. Hopefully his next fight is also a decent opponent.
Close fight and Sergiy was impressive but I think he needs to drop his nickname "The Technician" since he relies more on strength than technical prowess. Maybe Sergiy has been inspired by fellow Ukrainian countryman Lomachenko using the "Hi-Tech" nickname, but Loma is far more of a master technician than Derevyanchenko will ever be.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Cracking fight and the right result. It was competitive throughout but Jacobs did enough.

Can't see why some found it controversial.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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ewenhay wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 18:43 Cracking fight and the right result. It was competitive throughout but Jacobs did enough.

Can't see why some found it controversial.
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Some on here are just pro eastern European fight fans that think they don't get a far shake
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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ewenhay wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 18:43 Cracking fight and the right result. It was competitive throughout but Jacobs did enough.

Can't see why some found it controversial.
It's very simple. The guy they were rooting for landed some punches and finished on his feet but did not get the decision therefore he was robbed.

I thought this was a damn good fight....................which really is the only thing I care about.................................I want to see a good fight and they gave us one.
Kudos to both fighters. I agree with the posters saying Derev probably raised his standing despite the loss.
IMO this was by far Jacobs most important win. Before last night he was just another boxer in the four belt era who had somehow failed to hold the highest belt of any sanctioning body. Can't say that now.

I hope he gets GGG or Canelo next and I don't really care which one, Jacobs vs either will be a damn good fight.

For the record my scorecard says 114-113 Jacobs
One round off the scorecards of all three judges.
Decision reasonably could have gone either way, a split decision was perfect.
Judges did a great job.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Perseus wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 19:19
ewenhay wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 18:43 Cracking fight and the right result. It was competitive throughout but Jacobs did enough.

Can't see why some found it controversial.
It's very simple. The guy they were rooting landed some punches and finished on his feet but did not get the decision therefore he was robbed.

I thought this was a damn good fight....................which really is the only thing I care about.................................I want to see a good fight and they gave us one.
Kudos to both fighters. I agree with the posters saying Derev probably raised his standing despite the loss.
IMO this was by far Jacobs most important win. Before last night he was just another boxer in the four belt era who had somehow failed to hold the highest belt of any sanctioning body. Can't say that now.

I hope he gets GGG or Canelo next and I don't really care which one, Jacobs vs either will be a damn good fight.

For the record my scorecard says 114-113 Jacobs
One round off the scorecards of all three judges.
Decision reasonably could have gone either way, a split decision was perfect.
Judges did a great job.
Aye you're probably right. Being too partizan affects people's ability to score a fight properly.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Perseus wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 19:19
For the record my scorecard says 114-113 Jacobs
One round off the scorecards of all three judges.
Decision reasonably could have gone either way, a split decision was perfect.
Judges did a great job.
So the KD was the decider on your card.,
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 19:28
Perseus wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 19:19
For the record my scorecard says 114-113 Jacobs
One round off the scorecards of all three judges.
Decision reasonably could have gone either way, a split decision was perfect.
Judges did a great job.
So the KD was the decider on your card.,
Yes.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Oct 2018, 23:48
lazboy wrote: 27 Oct 2018, 23:47
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Oct 2018, 23:44

Smith, Spencer and Bellew! Fûck them.

I’m watching on HBO. Had to switch over.

They’re up Jacob’s ass.
Mate they are it’s disgusting! You’re lucky you have the choice.
I heard Smith say Jacob’s is in control
Of the ring. clearly on the backfoot lol.

7-1 Spencer’s card
6-2 Bellew’s card

:lol:
That wasn't Bellew it was Paul Smith :TU: Spencer Oliver seemed cursed last night, whenever he praised a fighter then they'd ship about 3 clean shots :lol:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Blodhemn wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 16:23
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 07:16
Blodhemn wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 02:51

Must be using different meaning of the word clear. Close but anything but clear. Had Sergiy up, even giving Danny more split rounds. Jacobs was pretty much finished in the championship rounds.
From round 6, until the championship rounds was all Jacobs. He took full control. I agree Derev came on strong last few rounds. I don’t think the KD would have made a difference whether it was or not.
I'm not convinced 6-9 was all Jacobs. Scoring has become so subjective I'm not really concerned about it. It was a close fight that realistically could've gone either way. If it's held in anywhere but the US or UK, Sergiy probably gets the W. I'm more so just sickened by the one-sided narrative via UK or US tv commentary. It's like the story is written beforehand. Just sick of it. Glad HBO is done.

They were just automatically giving almost every single round to J on their TV scorecard. Clearly the fix was in. Do you remember when the tv talking head doing the tv scorecard, Lederman, said Jacobs "obviously" won round 3? Even the other tv talking head questioned that, but the 3rd tv talking head didn't want to get involved. The knockdown in round one was nothing much. D's hands touched the mat and that was about it. D was the aggressor throughout and threw and landed the most punches.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ilya Muromets wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 22:31
They were just automatically giving almost every single round to J on their TV scorecard. Clearly the fix was in. Do you remember when the tv talking head doing the tv scorecard, Lederman, said Jacobs "obviously" won round 3? Even the other tv talking head questioned that, but the 3rd tv talking head didn't want to get involved. The knockdown in round one was nothing much. D's hands touched the mat and that was about it. D was the aggressor throughout and threw and landed the most punches.
D threw more but landed less. Landed same number of power shots. J jabbed more.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 04:35
D threw more but landed less. Landed same number of power shots. J jabbed more.
That is just not true.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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it was no robbery , 115-112 jake was about right, but the sky commentary was absolutely fellating jacobs, obviously as a matchroom fighter i think,...
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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jamamb wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 11:30 it was no robbery , 115-112 jake was about right, but the sky commentary was absolutely fellating jacobs, obviously as a matchroom fighter i think,...
He is a Matchroom fighter.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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boxing_rocks wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 11:28
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 29 Oct 2018, 04:35
D threw more but landed less. Landed same number of power shots. J jabbed more.
That is just not true.

I don't think so either, tho admittedly i was watching on a small screen and couldn't see all the details, but D was totally the aggressor throughout and it looked to me that he was both throwing and landing more punches. If you're going by the Punchstats, those are only slightly more honest than judge scoring, both being compiled by the same crew. I thought that D won but i would have settled for a draw, but listening to Max Kellerman and his friends - until i turned off the sound - it was clear to me that the fix was in and D would need a KO to win. That being said, both are extremely good. I'd like to see a rematch .
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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..irrespective of the result in this particular case which may or may not be correct, I will ALWAYS have second thoughts if the state commission appoints up to 4 nationals to officiate which I believe was/is the case..
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Re: Round-by-Round: Daniel Jacobs vs. Sergiy Derevyanchenko - October 27, 2018

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Ilya Muromets wrote: 28 Oct 2018, 22:31

They were just automatically giving almost every single round to J on their TV scorecard. Clearly the fix was in. Do you remember when the tv talking head doing the tv scorecard, Lederman, said Jacobs "obviously" won round 3? Even the other tv talking head questioned that, but the 3rd tv talking head didn't want to get involved. The knockdown in round one was nothing much. D's hands touched the mat and that was about it. D was the aggressor throughout and threw and landed the most punches.
Lol, yeah let's just take away one of if not the single best moment for Jacobs while we're at it. KD was legit. Though yeah, I echo your gripe with the tv presentation. Stopped HBO subscription long ago.
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