Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 23, 2019

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Who wins the rematch?

Poll ended at 22 Nov 2019, 20:55

Wilder - Decision
2
2%
Wilder - T/KO
90
81%
DRAW
3
3%
Ortiz - T/KO
13
12%
Ortiz - Decision
3
3%
 
Total votes: 111

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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 9, 2019?

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Finkel wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 01:15
Tony1244 wrote: 22 Jul 2019, 09:22

Huh, watch Wilder-Ortiz 1.
I did, but as I say his Ortiz's career high win was beating Jennings in 2015. He's an old man being promoted on this false idea that anyone would still be bothered to duck his geriatric ass

I would prefer to see Wilder in with a live dog rather than yet another cherry pick

At the end of the day Wilder was up on the cards when he KO'd Ortiz.
Should we replay Washington or Spilzka? They also gave Wilder problems...

Kownacki would be preferable to this, or a legitimate live dog like Parker or Whyte
I'm a Wilder fan and I had Ortiz ahead by 2 rounds before the stoppage. Regardless of how it was scored, Deontay was almost knocked out. Washington and Spilkva never had Wilder almost knocked out.

Perhaps more importantly, Spilkva was stopped in his next fight, and Washington was also stopped in his first or second fight after he fought Deontay, so no rematch is called for there.

Ortiz's advanced age is an argument in his favor to get the fight IMO. He won't be around forever. I would also like to see Wilder fight Parker and Whyte down the road.
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Read this will be PPV
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I'm pulling for Ortiz in this one. If it was Joshua that had Wilder out on his feet the fight would have been stopped. He was definitly more hurt than Takam or Wlad.

At least Wilder is foghting a top 5 or 10 guy instead of what Fury is doing. I think Ortiz would beat Fury. He has the best skills of all the heavyweights. Too bad he is so old.
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Luis Ortiz previously tested positive for banned substances twice within a three-year period, he’s turned down big payday opportunities to face the likes of Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte, as well as suffering a legitimate loss to Deontay Wilder the last time out, with the Cuban having not earned his second shot at the title.

So I feel compelled to support another victory for Deontay Wilder. And I expect the American to beat Ortiz in much more impressive fashion in the rematch.
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...although officiating seemed to be dodgy and in favor of Wilder, I'm not prepared to pull for Ortiz who tested positive for banned substances..
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Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Aug 2019, 08:53 Luis Ortiz previously tested positive for banned substances twice within a three-year period, he’s turned down big payday opportunities to face the likes of Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte, as well as suffering a legitimate loss to Deontay Wilder the last time out, with the Cuban having not earned his second shot at the title.

So I feel compelled to support another victory for Deontay Wilder. And I expect the American to beat Ortiz in much more impressive fashion in the rematch.
I know of two occasions when Whyte turned down fights with Ortiz. Ortiz's manager claims they have never got an offer from Whyte.
The Joshua fight was foolish to turn down, but was short notice.
Wasn't Ortiz's last Ped test about his blood pressure meds so he wasnt suspended?
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Ortiz's team also said they were lowballed by AJ, then the truth came out. Don't know how their word can be trusted. Ortiz had also previously said he'd fight AJ for virtually nothing. So whenever Ortiz claims he'll do this or that, be sceptical before blaming the other side for the fight not happening. I think his whole reputation of being ducked is very questionable and yes he did fail twice.
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Boxing fans will trust any words they want to hear.
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Onetimeonly wrote: 05 Aug 2019, 21:11 Boxing fans will trust any words they want to hear.
Ain't that the truth! I was just on a live YouTube stream and was in a battle with folks who were adamant that Wilder/Ortiz II would do over 1 Million PPV's. When I said less than 400k, I got attacked like Piranhas in a swimming pool with menstruating women.
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Bandog wrote: 05 Aug 2019, 20:41
Enlightened-One wrote: 05 Aug 2019, 08:53 Luis Ortiz previously tested positive for banned substances twice within a three-year period, he’s turned down big payday opportunities to face the likes of Anthony Joshua and Dillian Whyte, as well as suffering a legitimate loss to Deontay Wilder the last time out, with the Cuban having not earned his second shot at the title.

So I feel compelled to support another victory for Deontay Wilder. And I expect the American to beat Ortiz in much more impressive fashion in the rematch.
I know of two occasions when Whyte turned down fights with Ortiz. Ortiz's manager claims they have never got an offer from Whyte.
The Joshua fight was foolish to turn down, but was short notice.
Wasn't Ortiz's last Ped test about his blood pressure meds so he wasnt suspended?
On the 25th April 2018, the WBC officially ordered the final eliminator between Luis Ortiz and Dillian Whyte.

The Cuban allegedly declined the opportunity to face Dillian Whyte on the 28th July 2018, which was accompanied with a $2.54m purse offer, because he claimed the scheduled fight-date was too soon for him. However, Ortiz actually ended up fighting on that date anyway, when he engaged in the preposterous Razvan Cojanu mismatch.

This assertion was communicated to the media by Eddie Hearn and Dillian Whyte. And I don’t believe this claim has been refuted by the Cuban’s team.

Meanwhile, Dillian Whyte had to find an alternative opponent for his 28th July bout, so he chose to face an even better fighter named Joseph Parker.

Eddie Hearn also claimed that Luis Ortiz rejected multiple offers to face Anthony Joshua.

The Cuban’s team initially refuted those claims, by stating that they’d been low-balled (apparently a $7m offer wasn’t enough, despite Ortiz’s career-high purse being $500K), but when the Matchroom boss threatened to expose their lies, they eventually came clean and conceded the errors of their ways.

So even if you found evidence of Team Ortiz refuting Dillian Whyte’s claim, how reliable are they? Can you really trust what they say, when they've openly admitted to lying?

All I know is that I can prove that Eddie and Dillian made those claims about Luis Ortiz.

In terms of Luis Ortiz testing banned substances, which can be used to enhance athletic performance, the Cuban never disclosed he was taking the drugs under “Medications Currently Being Used” when he filed his Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) paperwork.

He only decided to formulate the prescribed medication excuse after being caught out for the second time.

This was during an era when the WBC also allowed Bermane Stiverne to escape a suspension for consuming banned substances. He only received a $75K fine.

Finally, I am supremely confident that you cannot provide any evidence whatsoever to support your assertion that Team Ortiz submitted financial offers to Dillian Whyte in an attempt to make a fight between the pair. It didn’t happen.
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You got those PBC frauds running for the hills EO
You tell 'em
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Finkel wrote: 06 Aug 2019, 12:28 You got those PBC frauds running for the hills EO
You tell 'em
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Eo is a pbc groupie.
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Ortiz is dangerous enough to make it interesting. He has excellent footwork and is always in position to land. Wilder is reckless when he has someone hurt. Its not impossible that ortiz lands and knocks out wilder with a precision left while wilder is firing away

If he were playing it safe he would fight kownacki while waiting for the fury rematch

Its a decent enough fight
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Onetimeonly wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 03:11
candyslim wrote: 23 Jul 2019, 02:50

Oh just go back to sucking on his cock you tedious motherfucker.
:zzz:

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Re: Deontay Wilder vs. Luis Ortiz II - November 23, 2019?

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A long-discussed rematch targeted for Nov. 9 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, Calif. is finally on the verge of becoming a reality.

Just not for Deontay Wilder and Luis Ortiz.

The timeline has once again shifted for their yet-to-be scheduled heavyweight title fight, as has the proposed location. Two sources involved in such talks have informed BS.com that the bout is now penciled in—with eraser firmly attached at the other end—for Nov. 23 in Las Vegas, Nev.

A venue was not specified by either source, although the T-Mobile Arena is definitely ruled out as the National Hockey League (NHL) Vegas Golden Knights have a home scheduled on that date.

The forthcoming bout—which still has yet to be formally announced beyond Wilder (41-0-1, 40KOs) revealing it to be signed and sealed back in late May—was previously targeted for Sept. 28 and Nov. 9, with the Staples Center as the initial frontrunner to host the fight on either date.

Staples Center will now instead host a welterweight unification bout between Errol Spence and Shawn Porter on Sept. 28, headlining a Fox Sports Pay-Per-View event.

The Nov. 9 date seemed like a reality for Wilder-Ortiz II once the National Basketball Association schedule was announced on Monday, leaving it as the only available Saturday for the rest of the year.

According to both sources, the decision was since made to have the fight instead take place in Las Vegas. It freed up an opportunity for YouTube celebrities Logan Paul and KSI to take their second act to L.A., as The Athletic has reported their rematch heading to the venue, with to be promoted by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing USA outfit.

A Nov. 9 date remains possible for Wilder-Ortiz II, although sources from both camps have alerted BS.com to train and prepare for a Nov. 23 meeting.

Either date presents the same availability—or lack thereof—in Las Vegas. The MGM Grand Garden Arena—where Wilder won his title in a 12-round decision over Bermane Stiverne in Jan. 15—is available on both dates, as is Mandalay Bay. The T-Mobile Arena is booked on both dates, with NHL on the 23rd and the Professional Bull Riders World Series taking place from Nov. 6-10.

The memorable first fight between Wilder and Ortiz (31-1, 26KOs; 2NCs) took place last March at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York. Wllder endured a near-disastrous 7th round to rally back, dropping and stopping Ortiz in the 10th round of their instant classic.

Barclays serves as the official East Coast venue for all Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) events, including the last ring appearance for both boxers. Ortiz picked up his third straight win, scoring a 10-round decision over Christian Hammer this past March, exactly 52 weeks to the day of his lone career loss at the hands of Wilder.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 14 Aug 2019, 17:48 It freed up an opportunity for YouTube celebrities Logan Paul and KSI to take their second act to L.A., The Athletic has reported their rematch heading to the venue, with to be promoted by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing USA outfit.
lol f@ck you Eddie :lol:
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margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Aug 2019, 17:53
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 14 Aug 2019, 17:48 It freed up an opportunity for YouTube celebrities Logan Paul and KSI to take their second act to L.A., The Athletic has reported their rematch heading to the venue, with to be promoted by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing USA outfit.
lol f@ck you Eddie :lol:
Dnuh why they involving him. Should have self promoted it again.
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The fight Wilder VS Ortiz II is off as to Boxrec, can someone say something to that.
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kych wrote: 18 Aug 2019, 07:59 The fight Wilder VS Ortiz II is off as to Boxrec, can someone say something to that.
Boxrec probably want a solid date before they put it back up. Right now they’re keep changing dates.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 14 Aug 2019, 17:53
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 14 Aug 2019, 17:48 It freed up an opportunity for YouTube celebrities Logan Paul and KSI to take their second act to L.A., The Athletic has reported their rematch heading to the venue, with to be promoted by Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing USA outfit.
lol f@ck you Eddie :lol:
Matchroom is a rival of the PBC. You also need to consider the fact that last year's Logan Paul and KSI event generated roughly $185m. It's much bigger than Wilder-Ortiz. :TU:
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I love an unnecessary rematch as much as the next man. :yay: :roll:
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 19 Aug 2019, 05:31 I love an unnecessary rematch as much as the next man. :yay: :roll:
Yup.

I could understand an immediate Ortiz rematch in place of Fury back in 2018, if Wilder really wanted to correct a wrong... But as Ortiz is only getting older and older and didn't really impress in the three fightd following Wilder, this feels like a marriage of convenience for Wilder more than anything.

The first one was a good high level fight, but now we are looking at late 2019 - Ortiz will be god knows how old - it just unnecessarily retreading elderly ground.

IMO it's just another way of not giving Whyte his shot whilst waiting on Fury. Though I suppose Wilder probably would have just fought a voluntary against Kownacki instead if Ortiz' handlers hadn't inexplicably rejected the Joshua offer.
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Finkel wrote: 20 Aug 2019, 23:24
keithmoonhangover wrote: 19 Aug 2019, 05:31 I love an unnecessary rematch as much as the next man. :yay: :roll:
Yup.

I could understand an immediate Ortiz rematch in place of Fury back in 2018, if Wilder really wanted to correct a wrong... But as Ortiz is only getting older and older and didn't really impress in the three fightd following Wilder, this feels like a marriage of convenience for Wilder more than anything.

The first one was a good high level fight, but now we are looking at late 2019 - Ortiz will be god knows how old - it just unnecessarily retreading elderly ground.

IMO it's just another way of not giving Whyte his shot whilst waiting on Fury. Though I suppose Wilder probably would have just fought a voluntary against Kownacki instead if Ortiz' handlers hadn't inexplicably rejected the Joshua offer.
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