Duran vs Leonard II and Lewis vs McCall II: Your Opinions.

[Ambling Alp II]

The Duran excuses make no sense whatsoever.
As for McCall, maybe it had something to do with drugs, don't know. Seemed more like some sort of mental breakdown, but I don't know.

[Seamus]

Duran was known for massive weight gains between fights when he was a Lightweight. This was nothing new. Freddy Brown, Ray Arcel and Carlos Eleta all said he quit.

[Tony1244]

Ruiz? He's never trained. Ridiculous analogy.

Ruiz was in better shape for AJ 1, then AJ 2? No?

[Tony1244]

Duran was known for massive weight gains between fights when he was a Lightweight. This was nothing new. Freddy Brown, Ray Arcel and Carlos Eleta all said he quit.

He did quit. That would be impossible to debate. Wouldn't have bothered me if his purse was withheld, it wasn't.

[Onetimeonly]

Ruiz? He's never trained. Ridiculous analogy.

Ruiz was in better shape for AJ 1, then AJ 2? No?

Not that I could see.

[Tony1244]

The Duran excuses make no sense whatsoever.
As for McCall, maybe it had something to do with drugs, don't know. Seemed more like some sort of mental breakdown, but I don't know.

I think it makes perfect sense. Duran made a series of stupid decisions.

[Tony1244]

Ruiz was in better shape for AJ 1, then AJ 2? No?

Not that I could see.

He's a fat fornicator. But 15 LBS less of one the first time out.

[oogiebe]

Ruiz was in better shape for AJ 1, then AJ 2? No?

Not that I could see.

he was less out of shape.

[Onetimeonly]

Not that I could see.

He's a fat fornicator. But 15 LBS less of one the first time out.

So? He was in woeful shape both times. One of them his fighting spirit accidentally came out.

[Onetimeonly]

Not that I could see.

he was less out of shape.

OK, I stand corrected. Great analogy with Duran.

[oogiebe]

he was less out of shape.

OK, I stand corrected. Great analogy with Duran.

Doesn't compare to the Duran situation.

[Tony1244]

he was less out of shape.

OK, I stand corrected. Great analogy with Duran.

I don't think any of us in these 2 pages are really arguing about anything. We're just using words differently.

Duran is a legend. Ruiz not so much, but it's fair to say a common denominator is they both won the first time and came in much worse shape and lost the 2nd time at least partly due to their own poor decisions and lack of discipline. I don't see anyone here condoning their decisions or comparing a legend to a flash in the pan.

[oogiebe]

OK, I stand corrected. Great analogy with Duran.

I don't think any of us in these 2 pages are really arguing about anything. We're just using words differently.

Duran is a legend. Ruiz not so much, but it's fair to say a common denominator is they both won the first time and came in much worse shape and lost the 2nd time at least partly due to their own poor decisions and lack of discipline. I don't see anyone here condoning their decisions or comparing a legend to a flash in the pan.

I read many times that SRL got the rematch turned around fast knowing that Duran liked to party around and get out of shape between fights. Not news here. I see your point, but to OTO's point, when was Ruiz ever in shape?

[Tony1244]

I don't think any of us in these 2 pages are really arguing about anything. We're just using words differently.

Duran is a legend. Ruiz not so much, but it's fair to say a common denominator is they both won the first time and came in much worse shape and lost the 2nd time at least partly due to their own poor decisions and lack of discipline. I don't see anyone here condoning their decisions or comparing a legend to a flash in the pan.

I read many times that SRL got the rematch turned around fast knowing that Duran liked to party around and get out of shape between fights. Not news here. I see your point, but to OTO's point, when was Ruiz ever in shape?

Ruiz has never been in shape. I wrote somewhere he should be 220 (he's never come close). His condition was somewhat less horrendous in AJ 1. When I wrote "better shape" that's obviously very relative.

Yes, I had read the exact same thing about SRL getting the rematch. He chalked that up to winning part of the fight outside of the ring. Duran bought it hook, line, and sinker.

[Ambling Alp II]

The Duran excuses make no sense whatsoever.
As for McCall, maybe it had something to do with drugs, don't know. Seemed more like some sort of mental breakdown, but I don't know.

I think it makes perfect sense. Duran made a series of stupid decisions.

It makes no sense and is really excuses.

He was Partying for 5 months? Come on.
Why is 5 months such a quick turn around? Duran usually fought frequently.
Duran didn't have to fight that soon if he didn't want to.
Duran looked in the same shape as the first fight.

I'ts all BS, crybaby excuses for Duran who was not good enough and quit like a dog.

[Onetimeonly]

OK, I stand corrected. Great analogy with Duran.

I don't think any of us in these 2 pages are really arguing about anything. We're just using words differently.

Duran is a legend. Ruiz not so much, but it's fair to say a common denominator is they both won the first time and came in much worse shape and lost the 2nd time at least partly due to their own poor decisions and lack of discipline. I don't see anyone here condoning their decisions or comparing a legend to a flash in the pan.

Nothing fair comparing those situations in any way.

[Tony1244]

I think it makes perfect sense. Duran made a series of stupid decisions.

It makes no sense and is really excuses.

He was Partying for 5 months? Come on.
Why is 5 months such a quick turn around? Duran usually fought frequently.
Duran didn't have to fight that soon if he didn't want to.
Duran looked in the same shape as the first fight.

I'ts all BS, crybaby excuses for Duran who was not good enough and quit like a dog.

What makes no sense? That he was partying for 3-4 months, gained too much weight, had trouble taking it off, came in weak, knew he was beat, and quit? That seems pretty easy to understand. If you want to say "quit like a dog," fine. I'd reserve that for Tor Hamer and if Ruiz did it. But Duran is a legend.

We all agree, Duran didn't have to fight so soon. Thats what I meant by Duran buying into it. I'm sure Duran was weak for some of his other fights, but he wasn't fighting SRL.

Duran may have lost even if he never gained weight and was in perfect condition. I never said otherwise.SR also fought a smarter fight the 2nd time.

[Onetimeonly]

Duran partied, whatever, he made weight. Nothing remotely the same as a fat bum being more fat. Lmao

[Onetimeonly]

Tony is the frontrunner for worst analogy ever.

[oogiebe]

Tony is the frontrunner for worst analogy ever.

There are far worse on here.

[Tony1244]

Tony is the frontrunner for worst analogy ever.

I don't think you even understand the analogy.

[Tony1244]

Duran partied, whatever, he made weight. Nothing remotely the same as a fat bum being more fat. Lmao

They both weren't ready for the rematch. Of course for somewhat different reasons. Put down the bottle, or pick up the bottle, whichever works.

[oogiebe]

Duran partied, whatever, he made weight. Nothing remotely the same as a fat bum being more fat. Lmao

They both weren't ready for the rematch. Of course for somewhat different reasons. Put down the bottle, or pick up the bottle, whichever works.

Making weight doesn't mean you're in good shape.

[Onetimeonly]

Y'all are cute.

[oogiebe]