Daniel Dubois vs. Joe Joyce - November 28, 2020 on ESPN+

[bobcatbox]

But you previously pretended I didn’t even see the fight and now you’re agreeing with my commentary?

Fair enough, let’s just end the conversation here.

I made a prediction and was proven right.

You’re a Dubois fanboy and believe he shouldn’t be criticised for quitting tonight.

We’ll just end our conversation there.

No, I asked you if you saw the fight. I questioned it based on your post about intense heat and pressure. You answered appropriately on that question. Never did I say you didn't see the fight. And no, I'm not a Dubs fanboy. He quit. I was shocked, but upon further review of the facts, I understand the excruciating pain an orbital fracture can cause, and nerve pain is far worse than anything else I've ever personally experienced and I've had a few times I've dealt with it. You made a prediction that was shared by many many others. Stop patting yourself on the back and maybe folks on here would be nicer to you. Or at least more tolerant. Now we can end the conversation.

I hate having to repeat myself....

Dubois wouldn’t have quit if he didn’t fûckïng hate the pain he had to endure!

If you felt that Daniel wasn’t inconvenienced, then he quit far too easily.

If you believe, like me, that he fückïng hated the pain he had to endure and quit accordingly, then he quit under intense heat and pressure.

Either way, I don’t really care.

My prediction was correct and even you concede the factual accuracy of my interpretation about the effectiveness of Joyce’s jab.

If you don’t like me telling you “I told you so”, then you should bother attacking every single opinion I hold!!!

And then attacking again whenever I’m ultimately proven right!!!

You can’t have your cake and eat it!!!

[oogiebe]

But you previously pretended I didn’t even see the fight and now you’re agreeing with my commentary?

Fair enough, let’s just end the conversation here.

I made a prediction and was proven right.

You’re a Dubois fanboy and believe he shouldn’t be criticised for quitting tonight.

We’ll just end our conversation there.

No, I asked you if you saw the fight. I questioned it based on your post about intense heat and pressure. You answered appropriately on that question. Never did I say you didn't see the fight. And no, I'm not a Dubs fanboy. He quit. I was shocked, but upon further review of the facts, I understand the excruciating pain an orbital fracture can cause, and nerve pain is far worse than anything else I've ever personally experienced and I've had a few times I've dealt with it. You made a prediction that was shared by many many others. Stop patting yourself on the back and maybe folks on here would be nicer to you. Or at least more tolerant. Now we can end the conversation.

I hate having to repeat myself....

Dubois wouldn’t have quit if he didn’t fûckïng hate the pain he had to endure!

If you felt that Daniel wasn’t inconvenienced, then he quit far too easily.

If you believe, like me, that he fückïng hated the pain he had to endure and quit accordingly, then he quit under intense heat and pressure.

Either way, I don’t really care.

My prediction was correct and even you concede the factual accuracy of my interpretation about the effectiveness of Joyce’s jab.

If you don’t like me telling you “I told you so”, then you should bother attacking every single opinion I hold!!!

And then attacking again whenever I’m ultimately proven right!!!

You can’t have your cake and eat it!!!

Feeble attempt. You lost. Now go home and get your shinebox.

[Enlightened-One]

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

Pretty much all the betting websites consider Joyce as having less than 25% chance of scoring the upset, with $markets and bet365 giving Joe only a 23.1% (10/3) chance of victory.

Those odds shock me and I might even be tempted to place a bet on the underdog, because I feel this could be a 51-49 type fight, with Dubois being more heavy-handed and Joyce with more experience and a greater engine/work-rate.

Why is Daniel Dubois so heavily-favoured over Joyce, to the point that pundits and the betting websites regard this bout as a mismatch?

Daniel's best victory (and probably the only notable win on his resume) came against Nathan Gorman. He didn't achieve much as an amateur either.

In stark contrast, Joe's best wins as a pro came against Bryant Jennings, Alexander Ustinov and Bermane Stiverne.

Joyce has also beaten Tony Yoka, Ivan Dychko and Mahammadrasul Majidov in the amateurs, as well as Filip Hrgovic in the WSB.

Joe is unbeaten in the pro ranks and as an amateur, he captured gold medals at the Commonwealth games and the Europeans, as well as being an unfortunate Olympic silver medalist.

Joe is also a physically bigger man than Daniel.

I've watched these guys fight and whilst they're both decent prospects, they're also flawed in their own ways - one fighter doesn't appear to be any superior/inferior than the other to any great degree.

The outcome of my personal eyeball test doesn't suggest any justification for this bout being regarded as a complete mismatch either!

The more I think about this fight, the more tempting it is to place a bet on the underdog, because the current betting odds being quoted seem utterly preposterous!

Daniel Dubois rated as having an 88.2% (2/15) chance of victory over Joe Joyce? Gimme a break!

I’m picking Joyce to score a monumental upset to defeat Dubois, not because of his size and experience advantages, but mainly due to a gut instinct (based on DDD’s lack of credentials).

It’s going to be a tough and gruelling bout, whereby either fighter can win, but I really can’t help favouring Joyce.

Even dripping water wears away stone, so do you think that Dubois sealed his own fate by choosing to ignore and walk through Joyce’s jab?

Joe’s jab didn’t look like much, but it kept landing and Daniel didn’t actively try to block it.

[gp.]

which fighters constitute the 'international scene'?

International ones.

oh, so like rafael zumbano loverboi? or bryant jennings?

If you insist on being a twat, I can't stop you. It's a perfectly ordinary and well understood phrase, so you can either just go with that or go fornicate yourself, it is all one to me. Good luck with the rest of your life.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

That jab joyce threw was slow and sometimes slapping but it was effective. His chin held up and DD eye and heart didnt.

[Enlightened-One]

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

Pretty much all the betting websites consider Joyce as having less than 25% chance of scoring the upset, with $markets and bet365 giving Joe only a 23.1% (10/3) chance of victory.

Those odds shock me and I might even be tempted to place a bet on the underdog, because I feel this could be a 51-49 type fight, with Dubois being more heavy-handed and Joyce with more experience and a greater engine/work-rate.

Why is Daniel Dubois so heavily-favoured over Joyce, to the point that pundits and the betting websites regard this bout as a mismatch?

Daniel's best victory (and probably the only notable win on his resume) came against Nathan Gorman. He didn't achieve much as an amateur either.

In stark contrast, Joe's best wins as a pro came against Bryant Jennings, Alexander Ustinov and Bermane Stiverne.

Joyce has also beaten Tony Yoka, Ivan Dychko and Mahammadrasul Majidov in the amateurs, as well as Filip Hrgovic in the WSB.

Joe is unbeaten in the pro ranks and as an amateur, he captured gold medals at the Commonwealth games and the Europeans, as well as being an unfortunate Olympic silver medalist.

Joe is also a physically bigger man than Daniel.

I've watched these guys fight and whilst they're both decent prospects, they're also flawed in their own ways - one fighter doesn't appear to be any superior/inferior than the other to any great degree.

The outcome of my personal eyeball test doesn't suggest any justification for this bout being regarded as a complete mismatch either!

The more I think about this fight, the more tempting it is to place a bet on the underdog, because the current betting odds being quoted seem utterly preposterous!

Daniel Dubois rated as having an 88.2% (2/15) chance of victory over Joe Joyce? Gimme a break!

I’m picking Joyce to score a monumental upset to defeat Dubois, not because of his size and experience advantages, but mainly due to a gut instinct (based on DDD’s lack of credentials).

It’s going to be a tough and gruelling bout, whereby either fighter can win, but I really can’t help favouring Joyce.

Even dripping water wears away stone, so do you think that Dubois sealed his own fate by choosing to ignore and walk through Joyce’s jab?

Joe’s jab didn’t look like much, but it kept landing and Daniel didn’t actively try to block it.

[lazboy]

I don't think it was slow. It was a quick arm punch, like the type of arm punches winky wright was known for.

[lazboy]

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

Pretty much all the betting websites consider Joyce as having less than 25% chance of scoring the upset, with $markets and bet365 giving Joe only a 23.1% (10/3) chance of victory.

Those odds shock me and I might even be tempted to place a bet on the underdog, because I feel this could be a 51-49 type fight, with Dubois being more heavy-handed and Joyce with more experience and a greater engine/work-rate.

Why is Daniel Dubois so heavily-favoured over Joyce, to the point that pundits and the betting websites regard this bout as a mismatch?

Daniel's best victory (and probably the only notable win on his resume) came against Nathan Gorman. He didn't achieve much as an amateur either.

In stark contrast, Joe's best wins as a pro came against Bryant Jennings, Alexander Ustinov and Bermane Stiverne.

Joyce has also beaten Tony Yoka, Ivan Dychko and Mahammadrasul Majidov in the amateurs, as well as Filip Hrgovic in the WSB.

Joe is unbeaten in the pro ranks and as an amateur, he captured gold medals at the Commonwealth games and the Europeans, as well as being an unfortunate Olympic silver medalist.

Joe is also a physically bigger man than Daniel.

I've watched these guys fight and whilst they're both decent prospects, they're also flawed in their own ways - one fighter doesn't appear to be any superior/inferior than the other to any great degree.

The outcome of my personal eyeball test doesn't suggest any justification for this bout being regarded as a complete mismatch either!

The more I think about this fight, the more tempting it is to place a bet on the underdog, because the current betting odds being quoted seem utterly preposterous!

Daniel Dubois rated as having an 88.2% (2/15) chance of victory over Joe Joyce? Gimme a break!

I’m picking Joyce to score a monumental upset to defeat Dubois, not because of his size and experience advantages, but mainly due to a gut instinct (based on DDD’s lack of credentials).

It’s going to be a tough and gruelling bout, whereby either fighter can win, but I really can’t help favouring Joyce.

Even dripping water wears away stone, so do you think that Dubois sealed his own fate by choosing to ignore and walk through Joyce’s jab?

Joe’s jab didn’t look like much, but it kept landing and Daniel didn’t actively try to block it.

WOW guys he did it. EO predicted a 'monumental upset' in a fight many considered 50/50. How did EO know to pick against the odds? He doesn't even know, it was gut instinct. AMAZING. Show him his respect. Great, grand, wonderful!

[bobcatbox]

International ones.

oh, so like rafael zumbano loverboi? or bryant jennings?

If you insist on being a twat, I can't stop you. It's a perfectly ordinary and well understood phrase, so you can either just go with that or go fornicate yourself, it is all one to me. Good luck with the rest of your life.

Tyson fighting tonight has us all feeling a bit vicious. Especially EO. He’s on a warpath to prove he’s right about being right about being right about being right. And that he was right in the first place.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He called it right. Id give EO props but he beat me to it already

[Enlightened-One]

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

Pretty much all the betting websites consider Joyce as having less than 25% chance of scoring the upset, with $markets and bet365 giving Joe only a 23.1% (10/3) chance of victory.

Those odds shock me and I might even be tempted to place a bet on the underdog, because I feel this could be a 51-49 type fight, with Dubois being more heavy-handed and Joyce with more experience and a greater engine/work-rate.

Why is Daniel Dubois so heavily-favoured over Joyce, to the point that pundits and the betting websites regard this bout as a mismatch?

Daniel's best victory (and probably the only notable win on his resume) came against Nathan Gorman. He didn't achieve much as an amateur either.

In stark contrast, Joe's best wins as a pro came against Bryant Jennings, Alexander Ustinov and Bermane Stiverne.

Joyce has also beaten Tony Yoka, Ivan Dychko and Mahammadrasul Majidov in the amateurs, as well as Filip Hrgovic in the WSB.

Joe is unbeaten in the pro ranks and as an amateur, he captured gold medals at the Commonwealth games and the Europeans, as well as being an unfortunate Olympic silver medalist.

Joe is also a physically bigger man than Daniel.

I've watched these guys fight and whilst they're both decent prospects, they're also flawed in their own ways - one fighter doesn't appear to be any superior/inferior than the other to any great degree.

The outcome of my personal eyeball test doesn't suggest any justification for this bout being regarded as a complete mismatch either!

The more I think about this fight, the more tempting it is to place a bet on the underdog, because the current betting odds being quoted seem utterly preposterous!

Daniel Dubois rated as having an 88.2% (2/15) chance of victory over Joe Joyce? Gimme a break!

I’m picking Joyce to score a monumental upset to defeat Dubois, not because of his size and experience advantages, but mainly due to a gut instinct (based on DDD’s lack of credentials).

It’s going to be a tough and gruelling bout, whereby either fighter can win, but I really can’t help favouring Joyce.

Even dripping water wears away stone, so do you think that Dubois sealed his own fate by choosing to ignore and walk through Joyce’s jab?

Joe’s jab didn’t look like much, but it kept landing and Daniel didn’t actively try to block it.

WOW guys he did it. EO predicted a 'monumental upset' in a fight many considered 50/50. How did EO know to pick against the odds? He doesn't even know, it was gut instinct. AMAZING. Show him his respect. Great, grand, wonderful!

Why did you criticise my comments about betting odds that everyone agreed were factually correct?

And why criticise a post that you didn’t read?

I’d really love to see you criticise a post you quoted and didn’t even bother to read.

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

[margaret thatcher]

International ones.

oh, so like rafael zumbano loverboi? or bryant jennings?

If you insist on being a twat, I can't stop you. It's a perfectly ordinary and well understood phrase, so you can either just go with that or go fornicate yourself, it is all one to me. Good luck with the rest of your life.

im genuinely curious. there are tons of non-brits (internationals) who are obviously poo. and joe has beaten non brits before. the level varies greatly. so simply being 'international' isnt really the standard

[lazboy]

I'm not really sure what you are saying. My comments are factually accurate.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm not really sure what you are saying. My comments are factually accurate.

Why did you criticise my comments about betting odds that everyone agreed were factually correct?

And why criticise a post that you didn’t read?

I’d really love to see you criticise a post you quoted and didn’t even bother to read.

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

There’s no way in hell you can defend your criticism of my post, which you quoted, and never even bothered to read!!!

[lazboy]

I'm not really sure what you are saying. My comments are factually accurate.

Why did you criticise my comments about betting odds that everyone agreed were factually correct?

And why criticise a post that you didn’t read?

I’d really love to see you criticise a post you quoted and didn’t even bother to read.

SportPesa, Vbet, bet365 and betway have all consider Dubois as having an 83.3% (1/5) probability of victory, with Matchbook’s odds as great as 88.2% (2/15).

There’s no way in hell you can defend your criticism of my post, which you quoted, and never even bothered to read!!!

I did read your post. You had posted it twice. I believe you did this because you wanted attention and acknowledgement; in that, you wanted acknowledgement about your correct prediction. I gave you attention and acknowledgement, albeit in a sarcastic way. What else do you require? You should be thanking me.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Dubois is done, he wont get back from this. I would never knock anybody brave enough to get in the ring, but he clearly quit, he said so himself.

I'm sure his eye hurt, but he was probably a round up.

Done.

[Noxy]

Dubois is done, he wont get back from this. I would never knock anybody brave enough to get in the ring, but he clearly quit, he said so himself.

I'm sure his eye hurt, but he was probably a round up.

Done.

I 100% disagree. It was his first real fight and he came up short, it happens. It makes no sense to say he’s finished, especially at that age. It doesn’t mean he’ll quit next time he’s up against it either.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

He quit for a swollen eyeon a jab
He wasnt tired and was ahead... he looked like a total quitter

[lazboy]

He quit for a swollen eyeon a jab
He wasnt tired and was ahead... he looked like a total quitter

Come on he was spent. He did the youngster thing and shot his load too soon. He punched himself out, plus the pesky jab and plus the eye damage, he called it. Main reason would have been fatigue.

[bobcatbox]

He quit for a swollen eyeon a jab
He wasnt tired and was ahead... he looked like a total quitter

Come on he was spent. He did the youngster thing and shot his load too soon. He punched himself out, plus the pesky jab and plus the eye damage, he called it. Main reason would have been fatigue.

He looked mentally beaten down. He’ll be back. But he needs to prove himself sometime in the next couple years.

[Evander]

Read Dubois was puffing around the 6th ... that true ?

[lazboy]

He quit for a swollen eyeon a jab
He wasnt tired and was ahead... he looked like a total quitter

Come on he was spent. He did the youngster thing and shot his load too soon. He punched himself out, plus the pesky jab and plus the eye damage, he called it. Main reason would have been fatigue.

He looked mentally beaten down. He’ll be back. But he needs to prove himself sometime in the next couple years.

That too. He put everything into his punches and didn’t make a dent. I’m sure that affected him mentally.

[bobcatbox]

Come on he was spent. He did the youngster thing and shot his load too soon. He punched himself out, plus the pesky jab and plus the eye damage, he called it. Main reason would have been fatigue.

He looked mentally beaten down. He’ll be back. But he needs to prove himself sometime in the next couple years.

That too. He put everything into his punches and didn’t make a dent. I’m sure that affected him mentally.

Yep. He was clearly not ready for that. Maybe a time for a change in the corner? He’s early in his career.

[lazboy]

He looked mentally beaten down. He’ll be back. But he needs to prove himself sometime in the next couple years.

That too. He put everything into his punches and didn’t make a dent. I’m sure that affected him mentally.

Yep. He was clearly not ready for that. Maybe a time for a change in the corner? He’s early in his career.

I don’t know much about his corner...maybe so if they thought he could blast Joyce out early without a plan b.

As you know people are writing him off now. but there could be a redemption story here. As you say he’s young and He took a risk, I respect him for that.

Going three more rounds on an empty tank whilst having an immovable force in front of you is disincentive for anyone. I would choose my health over a boxing fans respect but its not my profession and frowned upon.

If he’s serious he needs to get back on the horse, learn and impress.

[bobcatbox]

He’s partially being written off not just for losing but how he lost. No head movement. Getting beaten down by a jab and one-dimensional style all night with 0 adjustments. Being mentally defeated. I’d be getting myself a new cornerman.