Poll : Does Tyson Fury career bores you to death ?

[ironbeard]

fair enough

It's not really fair enough.

Ironfist, himself, has been whining and howling for years, banging the Wilder Won drum on this forum for endless pages whenever this topic comes up.

Always avoiding how he actually got to that score I might add. Now he has changed to he agrees with the Rochin card that gave Wilder 7 rounds to Fury's 5! lol
The guys a troll when it comes to this topic

Its not fair enough by ANY stretch but good luck getting the resident troll to explain it...


He cant explain the score because he knows there's no logical way to reason with any of it...its pure fiction at its best.

Not only have I explained it many times, it is part of the forum record puncheeto.

Where’s your card from the night? Now scurry away and make some up.

[ironbeard]

Where’s your card from the night?

Scroll back you'll see (again) that I had, as did everyone else, Fury winning 9 of 12. But lets reiterate it since you still hadnt slept off that last bag of shrooms you popped:

1: 10-9 Fury
2. 10-9 Fury
3. 10-9 Fury
4. 10-9 Fury
5. 10-9 Fury
6. 10-9 Fury
7. 10-9 Wilder
8. 10-9 Fury
9. 10-8 Wilder
10. 10-9 Fury
11. 10-9 Fury
12 10-8 Wilder

No, everyone didn’t, but The FOC unanimously did, which is to be expected.

Not only that, I doubt you or the vast majority scored it real-time.

It was a draw, puncheeto. There is nothing you or I can do about it. I’m not the one who has a problem with it. That…



…would be you.

[ironbeard]

Puncheeto’s all twisted up.

[KiwiRider]

Every boxer who fights less than twice a year, has a career that bores me.
Holding a belt to ransom with either poor opposition or long waits between defences bores me.
So both Wilder and Fury bore me...

How long have we been discussing a trilogy that should have been all wrapped up in 12 months?

[Loki]

To be fair, Fury is rather boring to watch. He’s more entertaining at press conferences. He will go to WWE after he gets flattened or slips. I don’t think he will be boxing into past 35, as he doesn’t seem that dedicated to longevity.

[Loki]

To be fair, Fury is rather boring to watch. He’s more entertaining at press conferences. He will go to WWE after he gets flattened or slips. I don’t think he will be boxing into past 35, as he doesn’t seem that dedicated to longevity.

[Boxtune]

To be fair, Fury is rather boring to watch. He’s more entertaining at press conferences. He will go to WWE after he gets flattened or slips. I don’t think he will be boxing into past 35, as he doesn’t seem that dedicated to longevity.

He was boring from day one. Even his win over klitchko means nothing ,,, he just won few round more than Klitcko.

But never rocked Klitchko or having klitchko on any danger, and last round klitchko went aggressive and Fury had no answer to that.
The last round could have helped klicthko figured out aggressive fighting for rematch, and fury knew that already so to avoid rematch

[HomicideHenry]

I don't know of any boxer who fights more than once or twice or maybe three times a year, so the fact that people are throwing a hissy fit over the fact that Tyson Fury hasn't fought all that much is mind-boggling to me.

Nothing but white noise these complaints, and will be quite humorous when Fury not only beats Wilder again he makes Joshua look like an amateur--- people are only moaning because they didn't get the super fight when they wanted it so they take it out on Fury when the fact remains Joshua has all these chinks in his armor.

But the same people will continue to say the heavyweight division is boring or sucks, etc--- just because the guy they don't like is at the top of the division.

[candyslim]

I regard Tyson Fury as the second best heavyweight in the world. If he wanted to prove he was the best he would have continued with the unification. The arbitration decision meant he would have to fight Wilder at some point but US Law would not have allowed the arbitration decision to derail the unification with Joshua. He could have gone ahead with it if he'd wanted to, I'm fairly confident of that.

His attitude while Hearn was trying to finalize the fight in Saudi was unenthusiastic not to say actually obstructive. When the fight was called off much to Joshua's disgust and visible anger, Fury's whole demeanour changed, he appeared to be delighted.

I wouldn't go so far as to accuse him of ducking Joshua, I don't believe he's afraid of any unarmed man, but it irks me that he is given credit for being better than Joshua when he turned his back on the chance to prove it.

Yes he's undefeated unlike Joshua, but what if Jack Reiss had done what 95% of referees would have done in similar circumstances and waived the count in round 12 of Wilder v Fury I? Fury would probably never have got the chance to set the record straight and everyone would be going on about Wilder's greatness and how he would knockout Joshua if they ever met.

Only they never would meet, messrs. Haymon and Finkel would make damn sure of that as they always have, so Joshua would never get the chance to prove himself the outstanding heavyweight champion. He fights every mandatory challenger that three governing bodies throw at him. He doesn't duck anyone and as far as know, no scheduled fight involving Joshua has ever been shelved or pushed back for reasons which can be attributed to him rather than his opponent.

He's a proper champion as far as I'm concerned. I don't think I can honestly say that about Fury or Wilder.

[Syntax Error]

To be fair, Fury is rather boring to watch. He’s more entertaining at press conferences. He will go to WWE after he gets flattened or slips. I don’t think he will be boxing into past 35, as he doesn’t seem that dedicated to longevity.

At his current rate of activity, he won't have his next fight until he is past 35.

[Boxtune]

To be fair, Fury is rather boring to watch. He’s more entertaining at press conferences. He will go to WWE after he gets flattened or slips. I don’t think he will be boxing into past 35, as he doesn’t seem that dedicated to longevity.

At his current rate of activity, he won't have his next fight until he is past 35.

Fury Seems to be very content and over enjoying his greatness entirely based on the fact that
he was the first man to take away wlad Klitchko's long reign and scape in a Rat hole until rematch out of the window

[HomicideHenry]

I get tired of people bringing up referee Jack Reiss. Fury got up within the 10 count. He did exactly as the referee ordered him to do.

Reiss did an incredible job as far as I'm concerned because far too many referees are too damn squeamish.

Besides it was the biggest fight in heavyweight boxing at that moment in time and you have to give both men all the chances in the world because it is a special event.

I don't hear anybody bitching at referee Kenny Bayless for giving Wilder all the chances in the world even though he could have easily stopped the fight earlier.

And the fact that Fury came right at Wilder, in that first fight after that last knockdown, and had him rocking and reeling shows me that everybody blew the knockdown well out of proportion.

[margaret thatcher]

the people who keep bringing up the count are just butthurt that fury beat it and then pounded his arse in the rematch

[Boxtune]

the people who keep bringing up the count are just butthurt that fury beat it and then pounded his arse in the rematch

Please English people not vote, i said ................. thank you

[margaret thatcher]

didnt vote bruh

[ironbeard]

the people who keep bringing up the count are just butthurt that fury beat it and then pounded his arse in the rematch

Please English people not vote, i said ................. thank you

Nice trolling.

[candyslim]

the people who keep bringing up the count are just butthurt that fury beat it and then pounded his arse in the rematch

Please English people not vote, i said ................. thank you

You said they could vote if they weren't a scumbag, there again I didn't think that in your eyes it was possible for anyone to be English and still qualify for that exemption.

Please do not anyone confuse my bringing up the Jack Reiss handling of round 12 as any kind of belly-aching. As far as I'm concerned he told them how he would handle certain situations before the fight began and he acted accordingly. I'm also well aware that a count of ten ends when the referee counts ten not when a fighter has been on the canvas for ten seconds.

If that's not clear enough I make no criticism of Jack Reiss however there is no denying that for every Jack Reiss there are other referees who would not have bothered to count. That's just a fact.

If it had been such a referee Wilder would still be WBC champion and there would have been no second fight never mind a third. I wonder what Fury would be doing now. He wouldn't be WBC champion, he wouldn't be undefeated, and he wouldn't be spoken about as the best heavyweight in the world. I say that but there's a very good chance that by now he would have had the opportunity to challenge Joshua as it would still be a big fight in the UK and Joshua has no fear of him now, he certainly wouldn't fear a Fury who had been waived off as a TKO victim by a referee who doesn't believe in Lazarus.

And what of Wilder? Well having beaten Fury he would ironically be free of any complaints about cherry picking (for quite a while I imagine) and by how he'd probably hold a knockout win over Adam Kownacki and be lined up to fight Charles Martin all the while telling any dumbass who will listen to him that Joshua is scared to fight him, conveniently forgetting it is public knowledge that he has ducked every offer team Joshua have made to him including one for 120 million dollars. He probably thinks there are still people stupid enough to believe him even now. What's even more depressing... he'd be right.

[Boxerbeetle]

He fights every mandatory challenger that three governing bodies throw at him. He doesn't duck anyone and as far as know, no scheduled fight involving Joshua has ever been shelved or pushed back for reasons which can be attributed to him rather than his opponent.

He's a proper champion as far as I'm concerned. I don't think I can honestly say that about Fury or Wilder.

This basically sums up why I like Joshua more than Fury and Wilder, even though I think Fury probably beats him. Fury and Wilder are pretty laughable in their refusal to take on the best.

[HomicideHenry]

Mandatories do not equate to being the best possible challengers. There's not a single person that Anthony Joshua has fought other than Vladimir Klitschko that is in the same category as Wilder or Fury.

To be fair though, Wilder never fought anyone who was in the same category as Joshua prior to his fight with Fury. To be fair though, with the exception of Vladimir Klitschko, Fury never fought anyone in the category of Joshua.

Someone may try to say Usyk is in that same category strictly because he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion, and has amazing skills--- but I think anyone who is really objective will point out that he's not as effective as a heavyweight as he was as a cruiserweight.

I don't know of anyone who was really all that impressed with that fight with the over the hill Dereck Chisora, unless they are easily impressed.

If I was a world class heavyweight champion I would have no qualms facing mandatories either especially when you know they are quite a few rungs beneath you in terms of skills or quality.

If anyone was seemingly unwilling to fight the best it has to be Wilder, because the only reason why he took on Fury in the first place was because he honestly believed him to be done as a heavyweight--- so he took far less money, in the hopes of getting the lineal championship, rather than the big money fight with Joshua to unify the titles.

Of course the two fights with Fury showed everybody that Wilder clearly is the third best in the world, and when Joshua lost Andy Ruiz it showed the world that Tyson Fury had to be the best in the world because it is very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Snickers. Yes, Joshua avenged his loss but it was one of the most lackluster wins I have ever seen.

[candyslim]

I don't think Fury does beat him and what's more I think Fury knows it.

[Thomastearns]

He fights every mandatory challenger that three governing bodies throw at him. He doesn't duck anyone and as far as know, no scheduled fight involving Joshua has ever been shelved or pushed back for reasons which can be attributed to him rather than his opponent.

He's a proper champion as far as I'm concerned. I don't think I can honestly say that about Fury or Wilder.

Agreed.

Anthony Joshua is the heavyweight champion of the world. Surely any boxing fan would want to applaud his endeavours to constantly keep pushing himself and keep improving?

Joshua must also be the most respected current heavyweight amongst his peers for his straightforward attitude and behaviour - minus the odd immature tweet from earlier days.

Even after the Miller debacle he immediately agreed to take on Ruiz at short notice.

As to what short notice might mean to messrs Wilder or Fury, well that's anyone's guess.

[candyslim]

Mandatories do not equate to being the best possible challengers.

cs: If that's true you can only blame the governing bodies. They can make Joshua fight any heavyweight in the world. I think it's only Sulaiman who is answerable to a third party in terms of who he can nominate and when the mandatory gets called.

There's not a single person that Anthony Joshua has fought other than Vladimir Klitschko that is in the same category as Wilder or Fury.

cs: That's hardly Joshua's fault. He can't force them to fight him, and if his three belts aren't incentive enough, what is he supposed to do? He has fought everyone who matters, who has agreed to face him. I don't think it will be long before at least one of Joyce, Hrgovic, Yoka will share the ring with him and still Wilder's best win will be a faded Luis Ortiz.

To be fair though, Wilder never fought anyone who was in the same category as Joshua prior to his fight with Fury. To be fair though, with the exception of Vladimir Klitschko, Fury never fought anyone in the category of Joshua.

cs: Prior to getting annihilated by Fury, Wilder has only beaten Ortiz and arguably Stiverne, who are on a similar level to Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Pulev, Ruiz, did I miss anyone? Take away Klitschko and Wilder (extremely impressive, don't get me wrong) then Fury's best wins are probably Chisora, Hammer and Cunningham.

Someone may try to say Usyk is in that same category strictly because he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion, and has amazing skills--- but I think anyone who is really objective will point out that he's not as effective as a heavyweight as he was as a cruiserweight.

cs: He hasn't shown much so far at heavyweight but many would regard him as number four ahead of Dillian Whyte. Apart from each other, how many times have Wilder or Fury fought an opponent who is inside the top 10? Klitschko, Ortiz and Stiverne I make it. That's a combined total of three unless I've forgotten anyone.

I don't know of anyone who was really all that impressed with that fight with the over the hill Dereck Chisora, unless they are easily impressed.

cs: I guess it confirms he can stay afloat among the heavyweights, not that he can necessarily impact the pinnacle of the division.

If I was a world class heavyweight champion I would have no qualms facing mandatories either especially when you know they are quite a few rungs beneath you in terms of skills or quality.

cs: That's what separates a real champion from a fake. Mandatories should be the best possible opponents but sometimes politics gets in the way. I don't think you can complain too loudly about Whyte, Pulev, Usyk, and probably Hrgovic though, can you?

If anyone was seemingly unwilling to fight the best it has to be Wilder, because the only reason why he took on Fury in the first place was because he honestly believed him to be done as a heavyweight--- so he took far less money, in the hopes of getting the lineal championship, rather than the big money fight with Joshua to unify the titles.

cs: Congratulations Hank. Finally a cousin across the pond who recognizes that taking on Fury for the first time wasn't intended to be a 50/50 showdown between rival champions. Fury was seen as a busted flush, another easy kill only this one with a name who would add stardust to Deontay's pitiful resumé. It was never meant to be that difficult.

Of course the two fights with Fury showed everybody that Wilder clearly is the third best in the world, and when Joshua lost Andy Ruiz it showed the world that Tyson Fury had to be the best in the world because it is very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Snickers. Yes, Joshua avenged his loss but it was one of the most lackluster wins I have ever seen.

cs: Wilder is clearly no better than third in the world but I don't believe that even the pre-beatdown Wilder beats Joyce or Hrgovic and for me the jury is out on Whyte, Usyk, Ruiz, Parker and previously Povetkin or Pulev of a couple of years ago. As for being very difficult to imagine Fury losing to Ruiz, I agree. Most people felt the same way about Joshua. To me it's a classic styles make fights. Fury would beat Ruiz quite easily. Joshua will always struggle with Ruiz, and for me Joshua knocks out Fury. Of course my face may not always remain devoid of egg

My comments above preceded cs:

[HomicideHenry]

Mind you much of the criticism towards the various principles (Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Usyk) is not necessarily their own faults.

You can't help the era that you are fighting in (quality of opposition), you can't help what the rankings are, and there are so many greedy promoters out there connected to equally greedy networks that it makes the big fights difficult to be made.

Maybe the only thing I disagree with in your replies is the perception that Usyk is better or more deserving than Dillian Whyte--- of all the heavyweights out there, I can't think of anyone more deserving of a title shot than Whyte because of his hyperactivity in comparison to everyone else in the top 10 or top 15.

From my perspective Usyk simply hasn't done enough to earn the title shot that he is getting. Chazz Witherspoon and Dereck Chisora can hardly be considered victories worthy of a title shot--- I think Usyk is largely getting the shot because the division is void of internationally interesting fights.

Boxing is interesting, for sure. Just because A beats B doesn't necessarily mean he will beat C, even though C lost to B. Joshua is a vulnerable figure, which makes the fight with Fury all the more interesting--- I think had the two men fought earlier and Fury beat him like Ruiz done, somehow people would have robbed Fury of the accolades he would have deserved by saying Joshua was no good to begin with.

But since Joshua avenged the loss (although one can make a strong argument that it was just as much Ruiz's fault for the loss than it was anything Joshua did in the rematch) and then beat Pulev and will most likely beat the undersized and unproven Usyk--- if Fury defeats him then nobody can take it away from Fury because the "excuses" are gone because everybody has bought into the "Joshua has improved" propaganda.

[Wales]

It’s the promoters and politics that stop the fights.

Fury would fight Joshua tomorrow, and vice versa. Same with Wilder.

But everyone behind the scenes wants to get their beak wet…. Not only wet, not only as wet as possible, but wetter than they know they deserve.

Does my head in.

Lot to be said for the UFC model

[candyslim]

Mind you much of the criticism towards the various principles (Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Usyk) is not necessarily their own faults.

cs: Not all of it. I think Joshua makes his own decisions. What he can't control is his opponents' intentions plus he is at the whim of the alphabet boys as long as he is determined to become undisputed. Fury is his own man but is obliged to defer to Bob Arum who pays the piper. Wilder lacks intelligence and does only what Finkel and Haymon tell him, and Usyk is extremely fortunate to benefit from the WBO's policy regarding mandatories and champions moving up. Normally he's in control but at present he is quite happy not to be.

You can't help the era that you are fighting in (quality of opposition), you can't help what the rankings are, and there are so many greedy promoters out there connected to equally greedy networks that it makes the big fights difficult to be made.

cs: True but I don't accept this is a weak era as regards talent. I was a boxing fanatic with a special love of the heavyweight division throughout the seventies, and trust me by the time you got outside the top ten or fifteen you were looking at fighters like Al "Blue" Lewis, Larry Middleton, Jose "King" Roman. It wasn't much different except the USA was way more dominant, and fighters had to fight each other, and regularly, if they wanted decent paydays. In Don King's heyday the greedy promoter situation was worse, but not split into competing factions or non-competing factions depending on how you look at it. The networks were not really a factor. No PPV back then.

Maybe the only thing I disagree with in your replies is the perception that Usyk is better or more deserving than Dillian Whyte--- of all the heavyweights out there, I can't think of anyone more deserving of a title shot than Whyte because of his hyperactivity in comparison to everyone else in the top 10 or top 15.

cs: I'm 100% with you on Dillian Whyte. He's not the best but what a warrior. How you can fail to admire his spirit and call yourself a boxing fan is beyond my understanding, but many people put him down while raving about the likes of Luis "Six years since my last respectable win" Ortiz. Beats the hell outta me. The way he's been treated by Haymon's puppet is disgusting. I can think of nobody more deserving but my comment was intended to reflect how others see the reality rather than how I/we do.

From my perspective Usyk simply hasn't done enough to earn the title shot that he is getting. Chazz Witherspoon and Dereck Chisora can hardly be considered victories worthy of a title shot--- I think Usyk is largely getting the shot because the division is void of internationally interesting fights.

cs: I think Usyk is getting the shot due the WBO's policies, and the fact they're next in line to tell Joshua who he has to fight. I think there is a danger of writing off Usyk as a no hoper, which does a huge disservice to Joshua. Seriously can you imagine Haymon and Finkel considering Usyk as a potential opponent for Wilder if he were still champ? He did struggle with Chisora but he isn't in bad company in that respect. Dillian was fortunate to get the win in the first fight, many thought Chisora deserved it. He was beating Dillian in the second fight right up until the knockout. Former WBO champ Parker had real trouble with him, arguably could have lost, and Helenius has the three blind mice on the judging panel to thank for his decision win. Takam probably sees Delboy in his nightmares.

Boxing is interesting, for sure. Just because A beats B doesn't necessarily mean he will beat C, even though C lost to B. Joshua is a vulnerable figure, which makes the fight with Fury all the more interesting--- I think had the two men fought earlier and Fury beat him like Ruiz done, somehow people would have robbed Fury of the accolades he would have deserved by saying Joshua was no good to begin with.

cs: That is always a problem that people denigrate the opponent rather than appreciate the achievement. I try not to be but I'm sure I can be guilty of that too. Joshua can be hurt as he was by Whyte, Klitschko, Povetkin, possibly Takam, and very definitely Ruiz. I don't know if it's fair to regard him as more vulnerable than Fury, floored by Pajkic and Cunningham as well as Wilder, or Wilder floored by Harold Sconiers or whatever his name was, Fury and hurt by Ortiz, Molina maybe others. It's heavyweight boxing. These guys can punch.

But since Joshua avenged the loss (although one can make a strong argument that it was just as much Ruiz's fault for the loss than it was anything Joshua did in the rematch) and then beat Pulev and will most likely beat the undersized and unproven Usyk--- if Fury defeats him then nobody can take it away from Fury because the "excuses" are gone because everybody has bought into the "Joshua has improved" propaganda.

cs: I wouldn't agree the propaganda description. Joshua was conscious of wanting to make an impression on his US debut. He made the mistake of going for the kill when he wrongly believed Ruiz was desperately hurt, and he paid for his impetuosity. In the rematch his whole career was hanging in the balance. Respected boxing insiders were telling him not to be a fool, avoid an immediate rematch. Once bitten Joshua had every right to be cautious. To use his advantages of foot-speed and reach making sure he didn't tempt fate fighting the other guy's fight. He'd have been a fool to stand and trade in range of a man with shorter arms, blistering hand-speed and a then perceived cast-iron jaw who had stopped him in his last fight. Give AJ his due. He totally re-invented himself, showing excellent concentration and unsuspected back-foot skills, he did what he needed to ensure the win. Sure he looked a little gunshy. A perfectly understandable human reaction given the circumstances wouldn't you say?

My comments above preceded cs: