BBC Panorama - "Boxing and the Mob"

[TheLeprechaun]

Allegedly Moore got a couple hundred grand & Frampton to train as a sweetener.

Kinahans took a few hundred grand off the Hutches not to shoot Gary Hutch and shot him anyway

Yes sadly it looks like the Frampton thing was compo for Moore being shot outside Kinahans place

How do you know that a few hundred grand was paid or what deals were made? Taking the word of the Hutches? I can't really do that considering they were also involved in crime. Irish police believe they were responsible for the murder of Mel Cox for example who was shot dead in cold blood.

[GreenLightning]

Allegedly Moore got a couple hundred grand & Frampton to train as a sweetener.

Kinahans took a few hundred grand off the Hutches not to shoot Gary Hutch and shot him anyway

Yes sadly it looks like the Frampton thing was compo for Moore being shot outside Kinahans place

How do you know that a few hundred grand was paid or what deals were made? Taking the word of the Hutches? I can't really do that considering they were also involved in crime. Irish police believe they were responsible for the murder of Mel Cox for example who was shot dead in cold blood.

What do you mean "also" involved in crime, you saying the Kinahans are involved in crime??

[GreenLightning]

Allegedly Moore got a couple hundred grand & Frampton to train as a sweetener.

Kinahans took a few hundred grand off the Hutches not to shoot Gary Hutch and shot him anyway

Yes sadly it looks like the Frampton thing was compo for Moore being shot outside Kinahans place

How do you know that a few hundred grand was paid or what deals were made? Taking the word of the Hutches? I can't really do that considering they were also involved in crime. Irish police believe they were responsible for the murder of Mel Cox for example who was shot dead in cold blood.

And Mel Cox was a criminal so surely she got what was coming to her no?? I hear people say that about the Hutches all the time, not so much the Kinahans

[GreenLightning]

After Alan Ryan got killed some bum licker cane on the radio asking for evidence that he was a thug, the radio presenter said people had called them but we're too afraid to go on air to speak about it (kinda like that documentary they did that time, about boxing and the mob or something)

"Why would they be afraid to speak about him?!"

Guy comes on the air "My brother had words with him and then next thing he was outside my mother's house with some guys with bats and hammers "

"Your brother must have done something, and you should be careful making these accusations without evidence, your mother might be lying"

You just can't win

[TheLeprechaun]

Kinahans took a few hundred grand off the Hutches not to shoot Gary Hutch and shot him anyway

Yes sadly it looks like the Frampton thing was compo for Moore being shot outside Kinahans place

How do you know that a few hundred grand was paid or what deals were made? Taking the word of the Hutches? I can't really do that considering they were also involved in crime. Irish police believe they were responsible for the murder of Mel Cox for example who was shot dead in cold blood.

What do you mean "also" involved in crime, you saying the Kinahans are involved in crime??

Thats what the Americans and Irish and other law enforcements are saying. We have to take law enforcements word. Still no convictions whereas the other side had convictions. I don't know about Mel Cox being involved in crime. It doesn't say that in news articles.

[GreenLightning]

How do you know that a few hundred grand was paid or what deals were made? Taking the word of the Hutches? I can't really do that considering they were also involved in crime. Irish police believe they were responsible for the murder of Mel Cox for example who was shot dead in cold blood.

What do you mean "also" involved in crime, you saying the Kinahans are involved in crime??

Thats what the Americans and Irish are saying. Still no convictions whereas the other side had convictions. I don't know about Mel Cox being involved in crime. It doesn't say that in news articles.

There's been.over fifty convictions in Ireland of hitmen and associates of the Kinahans

[brilo33]

After Alan Ryan got killed some bum licker cane on the radio asking for evidence that he was a thug, the radio presenter said people had called them but we're too afraid to go on air to speak about it (kinda like that documentary they did that time, about boxing and the mob or something)

"Why would they be afraid to speak about him?!"

Guy comes on the air "My brother had words with him and then next thing he was outside my mother's house with some guys with bats and hammers "

"Your brother must have done something, and you should be careful making these accusations without evidence, your mother might be lying"

You just can't win

i agree green i know i have shared comments with you back and forth on this thread, i just dont get why they have been hunted down particularly obviously you dont mess about with the fbi, was it the son craving the lime light to much ,or the young lad brutally murdered in ireland because after that you cant just sit back and be silent ,because there is uk gangsters that have been dealing with the irish lot who have backed promoters for big shows in 90s boxing no ones says nothing about that , i know it is a real selfish thing to say but it is a big hit to irish boxing and uk fighters , and bringing them down wont stop any killings or drugs if anything it will be a free for all now, more blood shed now , change really has to start from the bottom up

[mickey1975]

There's a theory they were planning to really go at the American market and had already approached a lot of fighters. They certainly didn't do things by half in any market.

[brilo33]

There's a theory they were planning to really go at the American market and had already approached a lot of fighters. They certainly didn't do things by half in any market.

yea buying mma fighters aswel ,that is suicidal wouldnt fancy living my days out in that adx prison

[GreenLightning]

After Alan Ryan got killed some bum licker cane on the radio asking for evidence that he was a thug, the radio presenter said people had called them but we're too afraid to go on air to speak about it (kinda like that documentary they did that time, about boxing and the mob or something)

"Why would they be afraid to speak about him?!"

Guy comes on the air "My brother had words with him and then next thing he was outside my mother's house with some guys with bats and hammers "

"Your brother must have done something, and you should be careful making these accusations without evidence, your mother might be lying"

You just can't win

i agree green i know i have shared comments with you back and forth on this thread, i just dont get why they have been hunted down particularly obviously you dont mess about with the fbi, was it the son craving the lime light to much ,or the young lad brutally murdered in ireland because after that you cant just sit back and be silent ,because there is uk gangsters that have been dealing with the irish lot who have backed promoters for big shows in 90s boxing no ones says nothing about that , i know it is a real selfish thing to say but it is a big hit to irish boxing and uk fighters , and bringing them down wont stop any killings or drugs if anything it will be a free for all now, more blood shed now , change really has to start from the bottom up

You're right about the last bit, it does have to start at the bottom up, it's socio economic and bad drugs policy, but that doesn't mean I have sympathy for people who exploit it and proliferate poison

Just like I don't have sympathy for loansharks who pray on poor people, the system needs rearranged to help poor people, getting rid of loansharks alone won't fix it, but they are still scumbags

The yanks have been watching Kinahan since 2017 when they implicated him being involved with that infamous Dutch gangster, they also witnessed meetings between him and some very very dodgy people from the middle East

Trying to move on to America after that was mental, Daniel thought he was untouchable, Christy Kinahan was against going after the Hitches because he knew the attention it would bring, go all the way back to Johnny Torrio appeasing the Northsiders during the bootleg era because he knew a war would draw all the wrong sorts of attention, which it did, especially after the St Valentine's Day Massacre, that's why they went after Capone

These are also the reasons the Kinahans are particularly being sought after

The gangsters who have always been involved in boxing havnt been on this scale, running serious drugs and shooting people just for going to funerals

allegedly is a scumbag for example, but he's not on the level of Daniel Kinahan

[GreenLightning]

There's a theory they were planning to really go at the American market and had already approached a lot of fighters. They certainly didn't do things by half in any market.

Like I said, a fella I know called this years ago, he said Daniels gonna try for America and he's gonna be a very very sorry boy, maybe Kinahan should have hired him as an advisor

[brilo33]

After Alan Ryan got killed some bum licker cane on the radio asking for evidence that he was a thug, the radio presenter said people had called them but we're too afraid to go on air to speak about it (kinda like that documentary they did that time, about boxing and the mob or something)

"Why would they be afraid to speak about him?!"

Guy comes on the air "My brother had words with him and then next thing he was outside my mother's house with some guys with bats and hammers "

"Your brother must have done something, and you should be careful making these accusations without evidence, your mother might be lying"

You just can't win

i agree green i know i have shared comments with you back and forth on this thread, i just dont get why they have been hunted down particularly obviously you dont mess about with the fbi, was it the son craving the lime light to much ,or the young lad brutally murdered in ireland because after that you cant just sit back and be silent ,because there is uk gangsters that have been dealing with the irish lot who have backed promoters for big shows in 90s boxing no ones says nothing about that , i know it is a real selfish thing to say but it is a big hit to irish boxing and uk fighters , and bringing them down wont stop any killings or drugs if anything it will be a free for all now, more blood shed now , change really has to start from the bottom up

You're right about the last bit, it does have to start at the bottom up, it's socio economic and bad drugs policy, but that doesn't mean I have sympathy for people who exploit it and proliferate poison

Just like I don't have sympathy for loansharks who pray on poor people, the system needs rearranged to help poor people, getting rid of loansharks alone won't fix it, but they are still scumbags

The yanks have been watching Kinahan since 2017 when they implicated him being involved with that infamous Dutch gangster, they also witnessed meetings between him and some very very dodgy people from the middle East

Trying to move on to America after that was mental, Daniel thought he was untouchable, Christy Kinahan was against going after the Hitches because he knew the attention it would bring, go all the way back to Johnny Torrio appeasing the Northsiders during the bootleg era because he knew a war would draw all the wrong sorts of attention, which it did, especially after the St Valentine's Day Massacre, that's why they went after Capone

These are also the reasons the Kinahans are particularly being sought after

The gangsters who have always been involved in boxing havnt been on this scale, running serious drugs and shooting people just for going to funerals

allegedly is a scumbag for example, but he's not on the level of Daniel Kinahan

i ve got no problem with that,iam not saying they shouldnt be taken down, iant under any illusion of who they are and what they do but they have been on the seen for years 20 odd, but every one of these big companies where having it with them and in big deals with them , i dont blame the boxers i couldnt careless as i dont know them iam just talking out loud i still think fear plays a huge roll in these boxers having links with them, iam just saying why are they gunning for them personally now , i think it was it was that brutal murder of the young lad ,it was that shocking off a murder that ireland couldnt hide the seriousness of irish gang land problem no more and mucking about with america irish american goverment are close

[GreenLightning]

i agree green i know i have shared comments with you back and forth on this thread, i just dont get why they have been hunted down particularly obviously you dont mess about with the fbi, was it the son craving the lime light to much ,or the young lad brutally murdered in ireland because after that you cant just sit back and be silent ,because there is uk gangsters that have been dealing with the irish lot who have backed promoters for big shows in 90s boxing no ones says nothing about that , i know it is a real selfish thing to say but it is a big hit to irish boxing and uk fighters , and bringing them down wont stop any killings or drugs if anything it will be a free for all now, more blood shed now , change really has to start from the bottom up

You're right about the last bit, it does have to start at the bottom up, it's socio economic and bad drugs policy, but that doesn't mean I have sympathy for people who exploit it and proliferate poison

Just like I don't have sympathy for loansharks who pray on poor people, the system needs rearranged to help poor people, getting rid of loansharks alone won't fix it, but they are still scumbags

The yanks have been watching Kinahan since 2017 when they implicated him being involved with that infamous Dutch gangster, they also witnessed meetings between him and some very very dodgy people from the middle East

Trying to move on to America after that was mental, Daniel thought he was untouchable, Christy Kinahan was against going after the Hitches because he knew the attention it would bring, go all the way back to Johnny Torrio appeasing the Northsiders during the bootleg era because he knew a war would draw all the wrong sorts of attention, which it did, especially after the St Valentine's Day Massacre, that's why they went after Capone

These are also the reasons the Kinahans are particularly being sought after

The gangsters who have always been involved in boxing havnt been on this scale, running serious drugs and shooting people just for going to funerals

allegedly is a scumbag for example, but he's not on the level of Daniel Kinahan

i ve got no problem with that,iam not saying they shouldnt be taken down, iant under any illusion of who they are and what they do but they have been on the seen for years 20 odd, but every one of these big companies where having it with them and in big deals with them , i dont blame the boxers i couldnt careless as i dont know them iam just talking out loud i still think fear plays a huge roll in these boxers having links with them, iam just saying why are they gunning for them personally now , i think it was it was that brutal murder of the young lad ,it was that shocking off a murder that ireland couldnt hide the seriousness of irish gang land problem no more and mucking about with america irish american goverment are close

The Regency brought the most attention, the Keane Mulready-Woods murder (the young lad) certainly brought public outrage but they were already after the Kinahans the killing spree was well under way ,them being in bed with serious international dealers and especially Middle Easterners with links to anti American Jihadi groups were what brought the American intelligence attention

[brilo33]

You're right about the last bit, it does have to start at the bottom up, it's socio economic and bad drugs policy, but that doesn't mean I have sympathy for people who exploit it and proliferate poison

Just like I don't have sympathy for loansharks who pray on poor people, the system needs rearranged to help poor people, getting rid of loansharks alone won't fix it, but they are still scumbags

The yanks have been watching Kinahan since 2017 when they implicated him being involved with that infamous Dutch gangster, they also witnessed meetings between him and some very very dodgy people from the middle East

Trying to move on to America after that was mental, Daniel thought he was untouchable, Christy Kinahan was against going after the Hitches because he knew the attention it would bring, go all the way back to Johnny Torrio appeasing the Northsiders during the bootleg era because he knew a war would draw all the wrong sorts of attention, which it did, especially after the St Valentine's Day Massacre, that's why they went after Capone

These are also the reasons the Kinahans are particularly being sought after

The gangsters who have always been involved in boxing havnt been on this scale, running serious drugs and shooting people just for going to funerals

allegedly is a scumbag for example, but he's not on the level of Daniel Kinahan

i ve got no problem with that,iam not saying they shouldnt be taken down, iant under any illusion of who they are and what they do but they have been on the seen for years 20 odd, but every one of these big companies where having it with them and in big deals with them , i dont blame the boxers i couldnt careless as i dont know them iam just talking out loud i still think fear plays a huge roll in these boxers having links with them, iam just saying why are they gunning for them personally now , i think it was it was that brutal murder of the young lad ,it was that shocking off a murder that ireland couldnt hide the seriousness of irish gang land problem no more and mucking about with america irish american goverment are close

The Regency brought the most attention, the Keane Mulready-Woods murder (the young lad) certainly brought public outrage but they were already after the Kinahans the killing spree was well under way ,them being in bed with serious international dealers and especially Middle Easterners with links to anti American Jihadi groups were what brought the American intelligence attention

The Regency i dont think so, my family are irish so i knew about it, my mates in london had no idea they thought it was paramilitaries, look i aint for all that heroin dealling causing poor communities to eat themselves alive , but in crazy way the money they were pumping in to boxing were giving youngerns a furture a goal that also brings a pride to the community and country i just hope the country picks up the slack that is left behind, i think the irish government have been useless , if it werent magnier mcmanus gaa teams and munster would be nothing , irish government are joke

[GreenLightning]

i ve got no problem with that,iam not saying they shouldnt be taken down, iant under any illusion of who they are and what they do but they have been on the seen for years 20 odd, but every one of these big companies where having it with them and in big deals with them , i dont blame the boxers i couldnt careless as i dont know them iam just talking out loud i still think fear plays a huge roll in these boxers having links with them, iam just saying why are they gunning for them personally now , i think it was it was that brutal murder of the young lad ,it was that shocking off a murder that ireland couldnt hide the seriousness of irish gang land problem no more and mucking about with america irish american goverment are close

The Regency brought the most attention, the Keane Mulready-Woods murder (the young lad) certainly brought public outrage but they were already after the Kinahans the killing spree was well under way ,them being in bed with serious international dealers and especially Middle Easterners with links to anti American Jihadi groups were what brought the American intelligence attention

The Regency i dont think so, my family are irish so i knew about it, my mates in london had no idea they thought it was paramilitaries, look i aint for all that heroin dealling causing poor communities to eat themselves alive , but in crazy way the money they were pumping in to boxing were giving youngerns a furture a goal that also brings a pride to the community and country i just hope the country picks up the slack that is left behind, i think the irish government have been useless , if it werent magnier mcmanus gaa teams and munster would be nothing , irish government are joke

Your mates might have thought it was paramilitaries but they knew about it, because it was a large scale assassination attempt at a public event and brought a lot of attention. They got the AKs off paramilitaries

Regency definately brought the most public and media and therefore police attention

[GreenLightning]

Brilo mate I can assure you they were after Kinahan long before the Keane Mulready Woods murder

If you define they as the authories/powers that be

[a force]

Mtk I thought it was named after mack the knife. I still think it is fear that made a lot of these boxers cream up to these r eal big time killers. Look at Hollywood they all sucked to winstein they all knew what he was. Fear and trying to progress in a career youve given ur life its a dirty a business. Should the next world champion be net zero and woke as.....

Nothing to do with fear. There’s plenty of MTK fighters (Frampton for example) who never mentioned Kinahan. There was no requirement to. Just idiot gobshites like Saunders, Fury, Sam Jones, Ben Davison etc who were too stupid to realise the position they were putting themselves in.

Even Macklin himself realised it did him nothing but harm been linked to Kinahan in the past couple of years.

[brilo33]

Brilo mate I can assure you they were after Kinahan long before the Keane Mulready Woods murder

If you define they as the authories/powers that be

green i know they were , thats one of reasons why they dont live in the country they got done spain aswell good few years ago , its just the pile on in the last year or so ,

[brilo33]

Mtk I thought it was named after mack the knife. I still think it is fear that made a lot of these boxers cream up to these r eal big time killers. Look at Hollywood they all sucked to winstein they all knew what he was. Fear and trying to progress in a career youve given ur life its a dirty a business. Should the next world champion be net zero and woke as.....

Nothing to do with fear. There’s plenty of MTK fighters (Frampton for example) who never mentioned Kinahan. There was no requirement to. Just idiot gobshites like Saunders, Fury, Sam Jones, Ben Davison etc who were too stupid to realise the position they were putting themselves in.

Even Macklin himself realised it did him nothing but harm been linked to Kinahan in the past couple of years.

i dont belive that i think everyone knew who he was behind them , but he was giving good money and once your in ur in

[GreenLightning]

Brilo mate I can assure you they were after Kinahan long before the Keane Mulready Woods murder

If you define they as the authories/powers that be

green i know they were , thats one of reasons why they dont live in the country they got done spain aswell good few years ago , its just the pile on in the last year or so ,

As it should be

[Blueprint]

Fury still hasn't travelled to Vegas. Look like he might actually be banned.

[Stevieaber]

US bans more than 600 people connected with the Kinahan OCG from entering the country.

Ban particularly aimed at people involved with them from the world of boxing.

Don’t know the names on the list yet, but the shit is really hitting the fan

[Counter-puncher]

600 people, fcking hell

[Stevieaber]

News came from RTEs Washington correspondent Sean Whelan. Looks like a few other (un-named) jurisdictions are going to jump onboard with the ban too.

[mickey1975]

Bit strange Tyson going to France on his holidays instead of Vegas.