Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tyson Fury II | PPV - 21 December 2024

[Frostieballs]

That was difficult listening.

fWank was embarrassingly ignorant of bipolar disorder; he just made no sense as he tried to use it as an excuse for Fury's disgusting rants.

It's very very rare for someone to have bipolar disorder and not require some nasty medication - the very rare ones who do manage to do so typically have very mild bipolar disorder and are able to do so by looking after themselves .. avoiding illegal substances, alcohol, stress, diet and sleep.

I don't believe for a second Fury is diagnosed with bipolar

As someone who has had long battles with mental health issues in the past, the interview this morning really enraged me.

In my opinion it was cynical, ignorant and diminishes genuine sufferers.

To claim that bipolar is an excuse for rude/offensive/untrue comments and that we should all go and 'google it on the NHS website' had me shouting at the radio.

In my opinion, mental health sufferers are generally the kindest of people, because they know what it's like to feel bad.

Insulting your opponent, swearing in interviews and blaming the Ukraine war for your loss isn't down to bipolar. It is down to a lack of class.

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

..... yes - and even if he does have ADHD, that doesn't explain calling your opponent a s**thouse and blaming the Ukranian war on your defeat. It doesn't make you hallucinate or have false beliefs!

You could argue it may exaggerate who you are, or exaggerate your natural tendencies, but you have to be that way in the first place.

[big lennox]

According to Bob Arum, the rematch will either be at the end of this year or the beginning of 2025.

A pity. I'd prefer both fighters to retire. That was a tough, tough fight. They both gave the very best of themselves in that ring, its now time to enjoy the spoils, not get hit anymore, and watch others do their thing.

[jamesmcdonnell]

That was difficult listening.

fWank was embarrassingly ignorant of bipolar disorder; he just made no sense as he tried to use it as an excuse for Fury's disgusting rants.

It's very very rare for someone to have bipolar disorder and not require some nasty medication - the very rare ones who do manage to do so typically have very mild bipolar disorder and are able to do so by looking after themselves .. avoiding illegal substances, alcohol, stress, diet and sleep.

I don't believe for a second Fury is diagnosed with bipolar

As someone who has had long battles with mental health issues in the past, the interview this morning really enraged me.

In my opinion it was cynical, ignorant and diminishes genuine sufferers.

To claim that bipolar is an excuse for rude/offensive/untrue comments and that we should all go and 'google it on the NHS website' had me shouting at the radio.

In my opinion, mental health sufferers are generally the kindest of people, because they know what it's like to feel bad.

Insulting your opponent, swearing in interviews and blaming the Ukraine war for your loss isn't down to bipolar. It is down to a lack of class.

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

[jtourettes]

As someone who has had long battles with mental health issues in the past, the interview this morning really enraged me.

In my opinion it was cynical, ignorant and diminishes genuine sufferers.

To claim that bipolar is an excuse for rude/offensive/untrue comments and that we should all go and 'google it on the NHS website' had me shouting at the radio.

In my opinion, mental health sufferers are generally the kindest of people, because they know what it's like to feel bad.

Insulting your opponent, swearing in interviews and blaming the Ukraine war for your loss isn't down to bipolar. It is down to a lack of class.

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

[forcefraser]

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.

[si7dog7]

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.

Brilliant
ADHD wasn’t a thing growing up. I was just a naughty lad. Got a few hidings because of it.
Being laser focused on things is something I’ve got used to. It’s just the way it is for some.
Last month it was films and documentaries on K2…WTF!!!

[BigDoofus]

According to Bob Arum, the rematch will either be at the end of this year or the beginning of 2025.

A pity. I'd prefer both fighters to retire. That was a tough, tough fight. They both gave the very best of themselves in that ring, its now time to enjoy the spoils, not get hit anymore, and watch others do their thing.

After spending months claiming that Fury was too scared to fight Usyk, you now don’t what Fury to fight Usyk for the second time.

[Twinkle Toes]

People talking about it being early 25 now as Fury is saying he needs the break.

[jwfg]

According to Bob Arum, the rematch will either be at the end of this year or the beginning of 2025.

A pity. I'd prefer both fighters to retire. That was a tough, tough fight. They both gave the very best of themselves in that ring, its now time to enjoy the spoils, not get hit anymore, and watch others do their thing.

After spending months claiming that Fury was too scared to fight Usyk, you now don’t what Fury to fight Usyk for the second time.

Do you ever post about anything else?

1. AJ ducked Wilder for seven years.
2. AJ ducked Fury twice in a few months.
3. Usyk fled to Poland to avoid Fury.
4. The Knitting Circle said Fury was too scared to fight.

Am I missing any?

[Autobarn]

Fury said in the build up that win lose or draw he'd be fighting Usyk in a rematch in Saudi. It was pretty much agreed in advance. It's a repeat of the first fight. Usyk's workrate and stamina is way too much for Fury

I agree that the gruelling distance fight does not favour the bigger man, where advantages in size, strength and power become dead weight. makes me remember how "stranded" Riddick Bowe looked in his second fight with Evander Holyfield during the stages (of a great fight admittedly) in which Holyfield was able to rattle off combos between moving in and out seamlessly. In a rematch with Fury and Usyk, there will be those stages in which the action settles and the bigger man will be able to impose himself on the smaller men (as Bowe had a couple of impressive and impactful big rallies, which however could not quite be sustained vs his great rival), maybe for just a few rounds.

then again, the fight will ask big questions of Fury. Maybe the defeat will inspire something extra from him. Or not.

I wonder if Fury might have to take a gamble, work on strength (like vs Wilder 2, his great performance) and try his best to go through the other man.

hoping for another great fight, regardless. that at the very least, Fury goes out on his shield.

[forcefraser]

Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.

Brilliant
ADHD wasn’t a thing growing up. I was just a naughty lad. Got a few hidings because of it.
Being laser focused on things is something I’ve got used to. It’s just the way it is for some.
Last month it was films and documentaries on K2…WTF!!!

I've done a K2 spell. An unforgiving mountain. The 2008 disaster was terrible.

Cecelie Skog (a mountaineering celebrity here in Norway) lost her husband as rockfall took him and others just metres from her on a traverse. Heartbreaking stuff.

I must have watched all the documentaries in a Savage 48 hour spell.

The crosses we carry are our own. Would I change it if I could? Probably, I'm sure it would make life easier for those around me. Does it have advantages? Definitely

When asked how to explain ADHD and what it feels like I find it hard to articulate what it's like. Being diagonally parked in a parallel world is the closest I can get.

[si7dog7]

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Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.
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Brilliant
ADHD wasn’t a thing growing up. I was just a naughty lad. Got a few hidings because of it.
Being laser focused on things is something I’ve got used to. It’s just the way it is for some.
Last month it was films and documentaries on K2…WTF!!!
[/quote]

I've done a K2 spell. An unforgiving mountain. The 2008 disaster was terrible.

Cecelie Skog (a mountaineering celebrity here in Norway) lost her husband as rockfall took him and others just metres from her on a traverse. Heartbreaking stuff.

I must have watched all the documentaries in a Savage 48 hour spell.

The crosses we carry are our own. Would I change it if I could? Probably, I'm sure it would make life easier for those around me. Does it have advantages? Definitely

When asked how to explain ADHD and what it feels like I find it hard to articulate what it's like. Being diagonally parked in a parallel world is the closest I can get.
[/quote]

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.

Brilliant
ADHD wasn’t a thing growing up. I was just a naughty lad. Got a few hidings because of it.
Being laser focused on things is something I’ve got used to. It’s just the way it is for some.
Last month it was films and documentaries on K2…WTF!!!

I've done a K2 spell. An unforgiving mountain. The 2008 disaster was terrible.

Cecelie Skog (a mountaineering celebrity here in Norway) lost her husband as rockfall took him and others just metres from her on a traverse. Heartbreaking stuff.

I must have watched all the documentaries in a Savage 48 hour spell.

The crosses we carry are our own. Would I change it if I could? Probably, I'm sure it would make life easier for those around me. Does it have advantages? Definitely

When asked how to explain ADHD and what it feels like I find it hard to articulate what it's like. Being diagonally parked in a parallel world is the closest I can get.

Spot on!
If you watch the McEnroe doc on Prime. I see so much in that. Perfectionism etc. I have no talent tho .
The bottleneck on K2 looks the scariest place on earth.
Unless you are Alex Honnold going up El Capitán without a rope.

[paultom]

According to Bob Arum, the rematch will either be at the end of this year or the beginning of 2025.

A pity. I'd prefer both fighters to retire. That was a tough, tough fight. They both gave the very best of themselves in that ring, its now time to enjoy the spoils, not get hit anymore, and watch others do their thing.

After spending months claiming that Fury was too scared to fight Usyk, you now don’t what Fury to fight Usyk for the second time.

We don't want to see a middleweight midget rabbit sausage picking on the bigger guy again,it's just bullying

[The Gratest]

There'll be a lot less of this during the rematch build up...

[Counter-puncher]

Would be great if Usyk kept trolling him with photoshop pictures of Fury’s battered bleeding face, and his lolling concussion eyes as he sagged helplessly against the ropes

[tonyevs]

As someone who has had long battles with mental health issues in the past, the interview this morning really enraged me.

In my opinion it was cynical, ignorant and diminishes genuine sufferers.

To claim that bipolar is an excuse for rude/offensive/untrue comments and that we should all go and 'google it on the NHS website' had me shouting at the radio.

In my opinion, mental health sufferers are generally the kindest of people, because they know what it's like to feel bad.

Insulting your opponent, swearing in interviews and blaming the Ukraine war for your loss isn't down to bipolar. It is down to a lack of class.

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

That's interesting. Someone who identifies as being able to maintain focus, or maintain hyper focus, typically has the psychiatrist raising their eyebrows in ADHD clinic.

Can I ask - have you a formal diagnosis? If so - was it a private consultation?

Another thing I found interesting when first attending clinic is that the medication for ADHD is what I imagined would exacerbate the ADHD symptoms - but the stimulant type meds have the opposite affect on those with ADHD.

[si7dog7]

I wholeheartedly agree - the vast majority of those people I work with who have serious mental health disorders are typically the gentlest and nicest people I meet.
fWank insults those with bipolar, he clearly has no idea of the disorder.

I agree regarding the ADHD, that is more likely than bipolar - but again, its unlikely because he can dedicate himself to strict training like he has demonstrated the last few months. You can`t pick and choose when you have symptoms of ADHD ... and definitely not bipolar disorder.

Facts are that there has not been any evidence of him experiencing the level of typical manic or depressive symptoms. All we know is that when he got depressed when he got caught and banned for PEDs ... being depressed about a sh1t situation is actually quite normal.
There was a very well known former world champion who demonstrated with typical bipolar disorder ... the grandiose of a manic episode is something else indeed.

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

That's interesting. Someone who identifies as being able to maintain focus, or maintain hyper focus, typically has the psychiatrist raising their eyebrows in ADHD clinic.

Can I ask - have you a formal diagnosis? If so - was it a private consultation?

Another thing I found interesting when first attending clinic is that the medication for ADHD is what I imagined would exacerbate the ADHD symptoms - but the stimulant type meds have the opposite affect on those with ADHD.

Tonyevs
Take a step back now.

[jtourettes]

I have ADHD, and can focus intensely when I need to. That's a bit of a myth. Often intense pressure will create conditions that make the ADHD sufferer hyper focused.

What it doesn't do, is make you belligerent and unpleasant

Indeed. Hyperfocus (often on the wrong thing ) can be the bane of an adhd sufferer's life.

I have ADHD too. I disagree regarding hyper focus. I can hyper focus on whatever I like whenever I like as long as it interests me. During these times the rest of the outside world is just noise to me.

It also makes me belligerent, so don't ever say it doesn't you bunch of arrisholes or we gonna have massive problem.

By the ‘wrong thing’ I meant the latest shiny thing to attract my magpie eye, at the expense of what I should (or at least what my missus thinks I should) be doing.

Comes in handy at quiz nights though

[SeanBrennan]

I can see Usyk getting a stoppage in the rematch.

[Cyclops]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

[joshj909]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Nobody robbed Dubois of a stoppage win over anyone.

[paultom]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

[Cyclops]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Nobody robbed Dubois of a stoppage win over anyone.

I never said it. Lots of people did, though.

[Cyclops]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

One was against a fighter regarded as elite level at the time who not only knocked him down twice but briefly looked like he'd killed him stone dead.

No, none of those guys he rematched were anywhere near as good as Usyk. But Fury did come back better, didn't he? So he might do again. Boxers who lose have won rematches.

I'm not saying he will. I've picked Usyk by stoppage.

But I picked Ngannou to beat AJ, didn't I? So, what do I know?

[BigDoofus]

In amongst all the sniping and crowing, I'm amazed nobody is even entertaining the idea that Fury might do better in a rematch. Historically, he always has done.

Perhaps many of the people who feel Usyk was robbed of a stoppage by a referee and his pesky "rules" also have seemingly forgotten that not so long ago a similarly 'controversial' intervention by a ref "robbed" Dubois of his "stoppage against Usyk last year.

If my Auntie had bollocks she'd be my Uncle, you might say.

It's 2024 guys: your Auntie could have bollocks and might still actually be your Uncle.

Think about it.

Those rematches weren't against an elite level fighter who had him rolling from corner to corner though,and also they were not revenge rematches at age 36.We really don't know how he'll take this defeat yet.

We saw Fury took the defeat well. There weren’t any belts thrown out of the ring.