Ray Leonard vs Roberto Duran 3 - April 1981

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes, the moon landing that you somehow don't believe happened. 400,000 people had a role in the moon landing but every single one of them has been able to keep the secret for the last 56 years.

Is that more ridiculous than the pathetically lame excuses for Duran losing to Leonard?

That is really a tough call.

We never went to the Moon, brother. Think about it. I know that you are intelligent. Don't get into the hype that "America Got to be the Greatest" .......It was a fallacy .

Nobody except you keeps up with this "America got to be the greatest" bullsh*t.

You sound like a complete idiot. You don't even address anybody's point when they make one. You just start back over at the beginning as if you can't read or understand what you've read.

He has been like this for more than 20 years on this Forum.
-Says something stupid.
-Someone points out how stupid his statement is.
-He then repeats the stupid comment against as if the other person(s) never said anything.
-Always an excuse for when his guy loses.
-If one of his favorites is remotely close to someone else, his rates his favorites over them and ignores any point to the contrary.

I used to feel sorry for him.
I don't anymore because he has been nasty sometimes.

[keithmoonhangover]

It was money that he never saw in 15 years as a professional manager before. Of course he didn't take it all. He has to divide it between he and his champion and the other handlers like Ray Arcel, Freddie Brown and Nestor Quiñones.

As long as he took 33% of the purse, he is alright. But, the greedy old bastard was so stupid that he could have gotten much more if he would have put Roberto Duran in the negotiations.

Carlos Eleta didn't do his job. Mike Trainer, Sugar Ray Leonard's manager, out managed him .....bad!

didn't do

So if Eleta forged Duran's signature on the contract, why did Roberto go through with the fight?

You got to understand that it wasn't about sportsmanship but a dirty business deed. It was all designed for Sugar Ray Leonard to win: (ring enlarged, bait Roberto Duran's manager for $8 million, get him out of shape as most as possible and embarrass him just like he did to me and my wife and the whole American boxing media propaganda).

Duran had to fight or get sued by his own promoter, Don King. So, even King turned his back on him. How in the world, your own promoter since 1975, didn't give you a break to train at least one more month? Doesn't this alone ring your bell as a red flag?

Because money and greed was the issue here. Duran got to lose to make a third fight that would pay $20 million! Duran screwed it up by quitting. The plan didn't work for them. But, as long as Leonard got the title back, we are back in big business.

Another loss for Leonard against Duran in the rematch, and Leonard's career would be quite possibly over in a short time. So, the issue was that Sugar Ray got to win with the advantages given to him above.

Sugar Ray didn't need his manager to pay another $8 million dollars. It tainted his win because he knew that he didn't beat Duran. Duran beat himself by quitting. He quit not because he saw that Leonard was better. He quit because he couldn't keep up in an OFF NIGHT out of shape and his manager blatantly betrayed him when he could have gotten more of Duran was involved in the negotiating table.

The whole thing was WICKED and suspicious. It was dirty as fuuck.

Why did Roberto go through with the fight if Eleta forged his signature on the contract? Why didn't Duran go to the police?

[elmersalsa]

We never went to the Moon, brother. Think about it. I know that you are intelligent. Don't get into the hype that "America Got to be the Greatest" .......It was a fallacy .

Nobody except you keeps up with this "America got to be the greatest" bullsh*t.

You sound like a complete idiot. You don't even address anybody's point when they make one. You just start back over at the beginning as if you can't read or understand what you've read.

He has been like this for more than 20 years on this Forum.
-Says something stupid.
-Someone points out how stupid his statement is.
-He then repeats the stupid comment against as if the other person(s) never said anything.
-Always an excuse for when his guy loses.
-If one of his favorites is remotely close to someone else, his rates his favorites over them and ignores any point to the contrary.

I used to feel sorry for him.
I don't anymore because he has been nasty sometimes.

Your problem with me is that you can't outthink me. You can't accept the truth.

I am nasty to those that are nasty first. You could look it up in all the arguments of this forum. The ones that started are the ones that get my wrath for being disrespectful.

That you feel sorry for me? Church Choir Boy this is isn't a drug and alcohol admitting forum. This is a forum that you post your opinions.

It hurts you that your Golden Boy didn't beat Duran at his very best. That hurts you in the azz. And then when you don't have no more answers, you call that the person debating is stupid. I could read between the lines. I know your fuucked up game.

You don't know more boxing than me. I have never cared if you never agree with you. I ain't here for no sympathy. I came to tell the TRUTH.

AND YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT.

[elmersalsa]

Wow.

You need help, Bruh. You really need it. Your buddies ain't going to help you to outthink me. You can't outtalk me. You ain't smarter than me. You ain't sheeeiit!

[elmersalsa]

So if Eleta forged Duran's signature on the contract, why did Roberto go through with the fight?

You got to understand that it wasn't about sportsmanship but a dirty business deed. It was all designed for Sugar Ray Leonard to win: (ring enlarged, bait Roberto Duran's manager for $8 million, get him out of shape as most as possible and embarrass him just like he did to me and my wife and the whole American boxing media propaganda).

Duran had to fight or get sued by his own promoter, Don King. So, even King turned his back on him. How in the world, your own promoter since 1975, didn't give you a break to train at least one more month? Doesn't this alone ring your bell as a red flag?

Because money and greed was the issue here. Duran got to lose to make a third fight that would pay $20 million! Duran screwed it up by quitting. The plan didn't work for them. But, as long as Leonard got the title back, we are back in big business.

Another loss for Leonard against Duran in the rematch, and Leonard's career would be quite possibly over in a short time. So, the issue was that Sugar Ray got to win with the advantages given to him above.

Sugar Ray didn't need his manager to pay another $8 million dollars. It tainted his win because he knew that he didn't beat Duran. Duran beat himself by quitting. He quit not because he saw that Leonard was better. He quit because he couldn't keep up in an OFF NIGHT out of shape and his manager blatantly betrayed him when he could have gotten more of Duran was involved in the negotiating table.

The whole thing was WICKED and suspicious. It was dirty as fuuck.

Why did Roberto go through with the fight if Eleta forged his signature on the contract? Why didn't Duran go to the police?

He was about to get sued. He had to honor the contract. This was one of the greatest hoodwinks in the history of boxing. Never in the history of boxing, another manager has paid that amount of money ($8 million dollars) to another management team.

It hasn't happened before, nor since.

The facts are:
Don King and Mike Trainer went to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office. It was hush-hush

They paid $8 million dollars and the greedy old bastard took it.

It was done behind Roberto Duran's back.

Sugar Ray Leonard was already in training at least a month before Eleta signed the dotted line of betrayal.

Duran didn't get enough time. And when he asked for time, being the champion nevertheless, he can't get an extension.

This has never happened in the history of boxing. Give me another story line like this one. You're not going to find it folks.

America The Greatest got to be! End of story!

[elmersalsa]

So Don King thought it would be in his best financial interest to screw over his fighter to help out Ray Leonard whom he did not promote?

A business move that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, that'll fool 'em all that's for sure.

It makes sense to Don King. He was already thinking for a third fight, even if it was to screw his own fighter that he promoted. It's all about the cash, brother. At least with King, it's all about the mighty dollar.

A third fight, both fighters get $15 million. But, Roberto Duran screwed it up by quitting. It messed up all their plans.

[gilgamesh]

indeed

[keithmoonhangover]

You got to understand that it wasn't about sportsmanship but a dirty business deed. It was all designed for Sugar Ray Leonard to win: (ring enlarged, bait Roberto Duran's manager for $8 million, get him out of shape as most as possible and embarrass him just like he did to me and my wife and the whole American boxing media propaganda).

Duran had to fight or get sued by his own promoter, Don King. So, even King turned his back on him. How in the world, your own promoter since 1975, didn't give you a break to train at least one more month? Doesn't this alone ring your bell as a red flag?

Because money and greed was the issue here. Duran got to lose to make a third fight that would pay $20 million! Duran screwed it up by quitting. The plan didn't work for them. But, as long as Leonard got the title back, we are back in big business.

Another loss for Leonard against Duran in the rematch, and Leonard's career would be quite possibly over in a short time. So, the issue was that Sugar Ray got to win with the advantages given to him above.

Sugar Ray didn't need his manager to pay another $8 million dollars. It tainted his win because he knew that he didn't beat Duran. Duran beat himself by quitting. He quit not because he saw that Leonard was better. He quit because he couldn't keep up in an OFF NIGHT out of shape and his manager blatantly betrayed him when he could have gotten more of Duran was involved in the negotiating table.

The whole thing was WICKED and suspicious. It was dirty as fuuck.

Why did Roberto go through with the fight if Eleta forged his signature on the contract? Why didn't Duran go to the police?

He was about to get sued. He had to honor the contract. This was one of the greatest hoodwinks in the history of boxing. Never in the history of boxing, another manager has paid that amount of money ($8 million dollars) to another management team.

It hasn't happened before, nor since.

The facts are:
Don King and Mike Trainer went to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office. It was hush-hush

They paid $8 million dollars and the greedy old bastard took it.

It was done behind Roberto Duran's back.

Sugar Ray Leonard was already in training at least a month before Eleta signed the dotted line of betrayal.

Duran didn't get enough time. And when he asked for time, being the champion nevertheless, he can't get an extension.

This has never happened in the history of boxing. Give me another story line like this one. You're not going to find it folks.

America The Greatest got to be! End of story!

But why didn't Duran go to the police?

[elmersalsa]

Why did Roberto go through with the fight if Eleta forged his signature on the contract? Why didn't Duran go to the police?

He was about to get sued. He had to honor the contract. This was one of the greatest hoodwinks in the history of boxing. Never in the history of boxing, another manager has paid that amount of money ($8 million dollars) to another management team.

It hasn't happened before, nor since.

The facts are:
Don King and Mike Trainer went to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office. It was hush-hush

They paid $8 million dollars and the greedy old bastard took it.

It was done behind Roberto Duran's back.

Sugar Ray Leonard was already in training at least a month before Eleta signed the dotted line of betrayal.

Duran didn't get enough time. And when he asked for time, being the champion nevertheless, he can't get an extension.

This has never happened in the history of boxing. Give me another story line like this one. You're not going to find it folks.

America The Greatest got to be! End of story!

But why didn't Duran go to the police?

What the police got to do with boxing negotiations?

[keithmoonhangover]

He was about to get sued. He had to honor the contract. This was one of the greatest hoodwinks in the history of boxing. Never in the history of boxing, another manager has paid that amount of money ($8 million dollars) to another management team.

It hasn't happened before, nor since.

The facts are:
Don King and Mike Trainer went to Panama City to Carlos Eleta's office. It was hush-hush

They paid $8 million dollars and the greedy old bastard took it.

It was done behind Roberto Duran's back.

Sugar Ray Leonard was already in training at least a month before Eleta signed the dotted line of betrayal.

Duran didn't get enough time. And when he asked for time, being the champion nevertheless, he can't get an extension.

This has never happened in the history of boxing. Give me another story line like this one. You're not going to find it folks.

America The Greatest got to be! End of story!

But why didn't Duran go to the police?

What the police got to do with boxing negotiations?

You said someone forged Duran's signature on the contract for the No Mas fight. Forging someone's signature is a serious crime, it's fraud and would render the contract meaningless.

Why didn't Duran call the police?

[elmersalsa]

But why didn't Duran go to the police?

What the police got to do with boxing negotiations?

You said someone forged Duran's signature on the contract for the No Mas fight. Forging someone's signature is a serious crime, it's fraud and would render the contract meaningless.

Why didn't Duran call the police?

Not in this situation. What would the police know about a dirty fix in boxing? It was none of their concerns. Try again, bruh!

[goose 5]

Forgery is a legal matter and the police would be concerned.

[Expug]

The feds would without a doubt be interested in the forgery of Roberto Durans signature on a binding contract. No question.
In fact , all Duran had to do was hand this over to any attorney and that person would take it from there.

[keithmoonhangover]

What the police got to do with boxing negotiations?

You said someone forged Duran's signature on the contract for the No Mas fight. Forging someone's signature is a serious crime, it's fraud and would render the contract meaningless.

Why didn't Duran call the police?

Not in this situation. What would the police know about a dirty fix in boxing? It was none of their concerns. Try again, bruh!

Do you think Duran knew the contract was signed by someone else?

[elmersalsa]

Forgery is a legal matter and the police would be concerned.

Ask the Panamanian police and the American federal agency why they didn't get into it.

[elmersalsa]

Forgery is a legal matter and the police would be concerned.

Then, why they didn't get into action. The money was already in the bank in Panama City. When the Louisiana State Boxing Commission tried to fine Roberto Duran because of quitting, they couldn't take a penny of it. They couldn't upheld his purse because the money was already in the bank.

[elmersalsa]

The feds would without a doubt be interested in the forgery of Roberto Durans signature on a binding contract. No question.
In fact , all Duran had to do was hand this over to any attorney and that person would take it from there.

It is much more fuucked up if Roberto Duran would have gone to a lawyer. That's come to show you that the whole shabang was garbage. A dirty fix never seen in the history of boxing.

[goose 5]

Guys: has anyone here ever read anything about these forgery claims apart from this thread ? I'd ask him for his sources but he ignores responses to his assertions.

[goose 5]

The Miami Herald published an interview with Eleta on November 30, 1980. Eleta was quoted as saying Duran trained for 2 and a half months but this wasn't sufficient. He also stated that Duran was overeating at night cause he had friends sneaking food to him at night in his hotel room. Eleta also stated that diuretics were used by Duran a few days before the fight and he believed these contributed to Duran's weakness.

[keithmoonhangover]

You said someone forged Duran's signature on the contract for the No Mas fight. Forging someone's signature is a serious crime, it's fraud and would render the contract meaningless.

Why didn't Duran call the police?

Not in this situation. What would the police know about a dirty fix in boxing? It was none of their concerns. Try again, bruh!

Do you think Duran knew the contract was signed by someone else?

Elmer, Do you think Duran knew the contract was signed by someone else?

[gilgamesh]

Guys: has anyone here ever read anything about these forgery claims apart from this thread ? I'd ask him for his sources but he ignores responses to his assertions.

He doesn't offer up any evidence for his assertions because none exists.

[elmersalsa]

Guys: has anyone here ever read anything about these forgery claims apart from this thread ? I'd ask him for his sources but he ignores responses to his assertions.

He doesn't offer up any evidence for his assertions because none exists.

It does exist. Look it up.

My man goose found in another thread about this wicked matter that Carlos Eleta had the power of attorney to sign Roberto Duran's fighting contracts. Ain't that what you found, goose?

Tell them. The truth shall set you free, folks. There's a God upstairs that saw it all and knows it all.

See, when you look for truth and righteousness, is a beautiful thing. There's nothing greater in this life than to do good.

May JAH bless you, goose!

[gilgamesh]

Guys: has anyone here ever read anything about these forgery claims apart from this thread ? I'd ask him for his sources but he ignores responses to his assertions.

He doesn't offer up any evidence for his assertions because none exists.

It does exist. Look it up.

My man goose found in another thread about this wicked matter that Carlos Eleta had the power of attorney to sign Roberto Duran's fighting contracts. Ain't that what you found, goose?

Tell them. The truth shall set you free, folks. There's a God upstairs that saw it all and knows it all.

See, when you look for truth and righteousness, is a beautiful thing. There's nothing greater in this life than to do good.

May JAH bless you, goose!

Duran agreed that Eleta had the Power of Attorney.

The most important thing is that the fight was announced in September, which means Duran knew about it, and had 2 months to train for it at bare minimum which should be plenty of time to train for a man you've beaten once before.

Bottom line: Roberto needs an excuse for why he lost, and his manager is the excuse he chose.

I don't buy the excuse. You do. We've been over this ad nauseum. Good day to you sir.

[elmersalsa]

He doesn't offer up any evidence for his assertions because none exists.

It does exist. Look it up.

My man goose found in another thread about this wicked matter that Carlos Eleta had the power of attorney to sign Roberto Duran's fighting contracts. Ain't that what you found, goose?

Tell them. The truth shall set you free, folks. There's a God upstairs that saw it all and knows it all.

See, when you look for truth and righteousness, is a beautiful thing. There's nothing greater in this life than to do good.

May JAH bless you, goose!

Duran agreed that Eleta had the Power of Attorney.

The most important thing is that the fight was announced in September, which means Duran knew about it, and had 2 months to train for it at bare minimum which should be plenty of time to train for a man you've beaten once before.

Bottom line: Roberto needs an excuse for why he lost, and his manager is the excuse he chose.

I don't buy the excuse. You do. We've been over this ad nauseum. Good day to you sir.

You can't accept the truth. The guy, goose, showed the evidence and you are still keep being wicked.

The fact of the matter was that he never considered nor consulted his fighter about the rematch. His greedy self couldn't resist the $8 million dollars in front of him. That's the issue. That's the main thing.

Because Roberto could have said not now, let me enjoy this and I will get back with you later. Why he didn't call Duran to see what he thought of it?

It doesn't matter if the guy had 20 months to train. He never ever considered nor consulted his champion. Because greediness and betrayal took him over.

Mike Trainer did his job. Carlos Eleta didn't. He betrayed Roberto Duran!

[gilgamesh]

Sorry bro. I'm just too evil. I'm hanging out with the Devil. Conspiring with Demons, and absolutely positive that Leonard won that rematch with Duran fair and square.

The wicked North American evilness is just too strong in me I suppose.

Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some sinning to do. With the wickedness and so forth.